In shift from campaign pledge, Paul R...

In shift from campaign pledge, Paul Ryan floats Medicare age tweak

There are 95 comments on the Reuters story from Mar 5, 2013, titled In shift from campaign pledge, Paul Ryan floats Medicare age tweak. In it, Reuters reports that:

House of Representatives Budget Committee Chairman Paul Ryan is floating a plan that would force Medicare cuts onto people aged 56 and younger, breaking a campaign promise not to touch benefits for those older than 55.

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serfs up

Merritt Island, FL

#21 Mar 6, 2013
Gary wrote:
<quoted text>
Where ever there is a government program with billions
of dollars to disburse, whether it's health care or military
spending or a war in Iraq, there is corruption. And when
we have a political party that is dead set against regulation,
the crooks crawl out of the woodwork.
Gary, it is not the corruption as that always exists. It is the amount of corruption. It has spread into the general population in a huge way. Things we would frown upon at one time have slowly become normalized and that has numbed us to "getting our cut". We sue each other like getting a drink of water. And why not. We pay for in part for everything in increased prices and taxes because of those lawsuits and we are entitled to "get even". Eventually, the costs of things that want to be a dime and now cost a dollar will go back to being a dime. This is the faustian bargain a fiat currency brings with it. And we are in an economic winter right now that is going to last for many more years.
Your Ex

United States

#22 Mar 6, 2013
Ef Paul Ryan.

au contraire

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#23 Mar 6, 2013
Eric Gustafson wrote:
The Republican maneuver to slice and dice up the safety social net to keep in place the advantageous tax benefits signed into law by George Bush during their Cabal.
There plan would chop up Medicare and thrown those who have spent years having their wages taxed to support the health care program before the guillotine of the private health care industry.
Silky slick move. If approved on every level this would go towards writing off the Trillions in Trust Funds looted during the Bush regime, spent on the Bush Wars, the medicare prescription program, and the historic 2001 and 2003 tax cuts.
More of the Plutocrats and Oligarch bidding.
Obama was the one to take 787 billion out of medicare to pay for Obama care.......before exempting his union buds.

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#24 Mar 6, 2013
Lance Winslow wrote:
<quoted text>Fortunately, bear in mind that the Republican party is determined to make a political footnote of themselves.
Congressman Offers Amendment Defunding Obama’s Golf

by Keith Koffler on March 6, 2013, 8:01 am

Rep. Louis Gohmert (R-Texas) introduced an amendment to the fast-moving continuing resolution spending bill that would bar funding for President Obama’s golf outings until the White House reopens for public tours.

Gohmert, who announced his amendment from the floor of the House, said Americans, whether Republicans or Democrats, will be greatly disappointed to come to Washington and not be able to get their tours of the White House. Many tours are planned well in advance.

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#25 Mar 6, 2013
au contraire wrote:
<quoted text>Obama was the one to take 787 billion out of medicare
WAH WAHHH!

Obama = 332

Tea bag losers = who cares?

Are you going to post on topic in 2013, DUMBO?

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#26 Mar 6, 2013
au contraire wrote:
Rep. Louis Gohmert (R-Texas)
WAH WAHHHHHHH! Obama plays golf! WAHHHHHHHH!

Funny how the Republicans don't have time to fix their sequestration but have time to clutter bills with this [email protected]!

Are you going to post on topic in 2013, DUMBO?

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Take a Looonng Vacation

#27 Mar 6, 2013
au contraire wrote:
<quoted text>Obama was the one to take 787 billion out of medicare to pay for Obama care.......before exempting his union buds.
No one "removed any money from Medicare," liar. You're repeating old Romney talking points now, did you forget the election was over??

Oh, and here's some more news...your boy LOST!! LOL

“Stop the Brain Rot”

Since: Jan 12

Take a Looonng Vacation

#28 Mar 6, 2013
au contraire wrote:
<quoted text>Congressman Offers Amendment Defunding Obama’s Golf
by Keith Koffler on March 6, 2013, 8:01 am
Rep. Louis Gohmert (R-Texas) introduced an amendment to the fast-moving continuing resolution spending bill that would bar funding for President Obama’s golf outings until the White House reopens for public tours.
Gohmert, who announced his amendment from the floor of the House, said Americans, whether Republicans or Democrats, will be greatly disappointed to come to Washington and not be able to get their tours of the White House. Many tours are planned well in advance.
FOURTH sighting of this DumbSpam, tagged and BAGGED!:)

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#29 Mar 6, 2013
tha Professor wrote:
<quoted text>
No one "removed any money from Medicare," liar. You're repeating old Romney talking points now, did you forget the election was over??
Oh, and here's some more news...your boy LOST!! LOL
FACT CHECK: Obama, Ryan, Romney Backed Medicare Cuts
|
Print By Jake Tapper
@jaketapper

Devin Dwyer
@devindwyer

Shushannah Walshe
@shushwalshe

Aug 14, 2012 6:43pmOne way or another, Barack Obama, Paul Ryan and Mitt Romney all have supported the $700 billion in cuts to Medicare spending now in place under the Affordable Care Act.

But you wouldn’t know that by listening to the current debate.

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#30 Mar 6, 2013
au contraire wrote:
<quoted text>FACT CHECK: Obama, Ryan, Romney Backed Medicare Cuts
|
Print By Jake Tapper
@jaketapper
Devin Dwyer
@devindwyer
Shushannah Walshe
@shushwalshe
Aug 14, 2012 6:43pmOne way or another, Barack Obama, Paul Ryan and Mitt Romney all have supported the $700 billion in cuts to Medicare spending now in place under the Affordable Care Act.
But you wouldn’t know that by listening to the current debate.
Obama's cuts were to be achieved through cutting payments for overcharges, by restricting fees, IOW. He was not ever "taking money out of Medicare," which was the lie YOU told.

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/artic...

Now apologize and shut up.
Pamela

Citrus Heights, CA

#31 Mar 6, 2013
au contraire wrote:
<quoted text>Obama was the one to take 787 billion out of medicare to pay for Obama care.......before exempting his union buds.
And now Bill O'Reilly is screaming that Obama won't cut one cent on Medicare. First Fox got the old Dixicrats to vote for the Republicans based on Obama taking all of that money out of their government health care. Now they scream that he won't make any cuts. So which one is it??

When Obama cut $750 billion out of Medicare, that is what started the Tea Party. The Tea Party is old folks on the government who always voted Dem, who got mad at the Dems because of the cuts to their Medicare, so they thought maybe they could vote for the Repubs and get the Repubs to cancel Obamacare and get them back that $750 billion in Medicare.

When Obama cut Medicare like that, I thought - that is nothing compared to what needs to be cut and what will be cut. It was on Fox today that in a few more years SS and Medicare would use up the entire federal budget, 100 pecent of it, and it was a Republican saying this stuff, and he said that old people get 4 times more money from the government than young people do. They said that welfare is only about 10 percent of spending but SS and Medicare will soon be 100 percent of spending.

That is your wakeup call that both parties are about to end SS and Medicare, make Medicare into vouchers and cut both programs down to indigent only programs.

I tried the entire time the tea party has existed to tell them that because the social programs they want have $120 TRILLION of debt, those are the two programs that will be cut.

It is simple math.

The Tea Party thought it could just sit and demand the money with no new taxes and no cuts. It's is not logical, not possible and their strategy lacks all critical thinking, and so of course this is how it ends. Both parties have to take down SS and Medicare and so they begin.
Pamela

Citrus Heights, CA

#32 Mar 6, 2013
The liberals are just as bad. Leading up to the election, the people on MSNBC sold it and sold it that Obama would not ever cut Medicare nor SS, no way, not ever.

THE MINUTE Obama won, Bill Maher does his show and says that old people get 4 times more money from the government than young people do and the liberals on Real Time were ALL saying "well SS is just an insurance policy, so it should only go to the poor, and everyone should pay in but it should only go to the few who are poor." See, the second Obama won, now the people on MSNBC change their story completely and now they begin to admit they have to cut SS and Medicare.

The bottom line, like I have said for 4 years in here, is that SS and Medicare have over $122 TRILLION in unfunded liabilities, and that is the huge number everyone needed to be paying attention to. That number tells everyone - D, R, I, everyone, that those programs will be ended because what it tells you is that the government only gave SS and Medicare out to one generation and ran it into trillions of debt, so that tells you each person got several times more out than they paid in. It tells you those two programs will HAVE to be ended soon by BOTH parties, and it shows both parties lie about it to their advantage, in order to get votes.
serfs up

Merritt Island, FL

#33 Mar 6, 2013
Pamela wrote:
The liberals are just as bad. Leading up to the election, the people on MSNBC sold it and sold it that Obama would not ever cut Medicare nor SS, no way, not ever.
THE MINUTE Obama won, Bill Maher does his show and says that old people get 4 times more money from the government than young people do and the liberals on Real Time were ALL saying "well SS is just an insurance policy, so it should only go to the poor, and everyone should pay in but it should only go to the few who are poor." See, the second Obama won, now the people on MSNBC change their story completely and now they begin to admit they have to cut SS and Medicare.
The bottom line, like I have said for 4 years in here, is that SS and Medicare have over $122 TRILLION in unfunded liabilities, and that is the huge number everyone needed to be paying attention to. That number tells everyone - D, R, I, everyone, that those programs will be ended because what it tells you is that the government only gave SS and Medicare out to one generation and ran it into trillions of debt, so that tells you each person got several times more out than they paid in. It tells you those two programs will HAVE to be ended soon by BOTH parties, and it shows both parties lie about it to their advantage, in order to get votes.
You do know that there is a possibility of a lot of suffering if massive cuts take place. This is not going to be pretty. And there will be backlash from the aging ones for paying into these programs. They will see all of the other programs which are big and cumbersome and not touched. The housing industry is already on crutches as there are millions of empty houses not even put up for sale now. Tens of millions of homeowners are upside down on their home ownership also. More empty homes will occur on top of the millions that were going to happen anyway. America is not going to look the same when this is done. Brutal!

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#34 Mar 6, 2013
tha Professor wrote:
<quoted text>
Obama's cuts were to be achieved through cutting payments for overcharges, by restricting fees, IOW. He was not ever "taking money out of Medicare," which was the lie YOU told.
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/artic...
Now apologize and shut up.
Why not use the white house for your link, it's the same thing.
Pamela

Citrus Heights, CA

#35 Mar 6, 2013
serfs up wrote:
<quoted text> You do know that there is a possibility of a lot of suffering if massive cuts take place. This is not going to be pretty. And there will be backlash from the aging ones for paying into these programs. They will see all of the other programs which are big and cumbersome and not touched. The housing industry is already on crutches as there are millions of empty houses not even put up for sale now. Tens of millions of homeowners are upside down on their home ownership also. More empty homes will occur on top of the millions that were going to happen anyway. America is not going to look the same when this is done. Brutal!
But the old people have already held their big backlash and they lost the election. Both parties are dead and everyone should have voted for Ron Paul, IMO. If you look at the GOP, it's toast. It's just the old folks on the government not paying taxes and the GOP can't win with that, and the GOP cannot attract any young people nor gays nor women nor minorities. At the same time, the Dem coalition is everyone who takes tax money and does not pay taxes, so that will also be a total failure. If you look at the Mexican community as a whole, what do they really offer the nation? Most are on Section 8, food stamps, GA, SSI and Medicaid, a ton of them are in our prisions, and they make low wages, so they pay no taxes. How long can they run the elections when they are not going to be the ones going to college, taking the high paying jobs, paying taxes? It's not going to work. They say about 80 percent of the black community is on welfare too, so imagine a coalition of people all on the government, disproportionately in prisions and on welfare running the elections. It's a total failure. And, the blacks are against gay marriage and the blacks and Mexicans war against each other in gangs, so that coalition stinks on ice.

As you say, the young people can't make a living and do not own homes, so they can't carry the tax base for the baby boomers to get SS and Medicare. The baby boomers got over $7 trillion in inheritence monies from the WWII generation and get most of the gov. monies from various pensions and social programs, so they will have to take the cuts and they can riot if they want, but they just lost the last election, so they do not have any power left.
serfs up

Merritt Island, FL

#36 Mar 6, 2013
Pamela wrote:
<quoted text>But the old people have already held their big backlash and they lost the election. Both parties are dead and everyone should have voted for Ron Paul, IMO. If you look at the GOP, it's toast. It's just the old folks on the government not paying taxes and the GOP can't win with that, and the GOP cannot attract any young people nor gays nor women nor minorities. At the same time, the Dem coalition is everyone who takes tax money and does not pay taxes, so that will also be a total failure. If you look at the Mexican community as a whole, what do they really offer the nation? Most are on Section 8, food stamps, GA, SSI and Medicaid, a ton of them are in our prisions, and they make low wages, so they pay no taxes. How long can they run the elections when they are not going to be the ones going to college, taking the high paying jobs, paying taxes? It's not going to work. They say about 80 percent of the black community is on welfare too, so imagine a coalition of people all on the government, disproportionately in prisions and on welfare running the elections. It's a total failure. And, the blacks are against gay marriage and the blacks and Mexicans war against each other in gangs, so that coalition stinks on ice.
As you say, the young people can't make a living and do not own homes, so they can't carry the tax base for the baby boomers to get SS and Medicare. The baby boomers got over $7 trillion in inheritence monies from the WWII generation and get most of the gov. monies from various pensions and social programs, so they will have to take the cuts and they can riot if they want, but they just lost the last election, so they do not have any power left.
What happens if millions of people end up on the streets? Would they be elegable for anything like welfare benefits if they still exist? Do many others end up living with their children or extended families like the old days? that means the spiral downward will be worse. You can see how the police state of tyranny can fix many problems. Its just that no one wants to be considered a problem.
Pamela

Citrus Heights, CA

#37 Mar 6, 2013
serfs up wrote:
<quoted text> What happens if millions of people end up on the streets? Would they be elegable for anything like welfare benefits if they still exist? Do many others end up living with their children or extended families like the old days? that means the spiral downward will be worse. You can see how the police state of tyranny can fix many problems. Its just that no one wants to be considered a problem.
I think they will end up only giving SS and Medicare to dirt poor people so that no one is out in the street. I think they will make Medicare into vouchers where those who have other incomes retired will be asked to bear the cost of a lot of their health care and only those who are indigent will get full payment for their health care from the government. The thing is those programs have $122 trillion of unfunded liabilities and soon will be using up the entire federal budget, which would end all military spending, so it is not a possibility.

One thing they could do is to create a national sales tax everyone would pay to fund SS and Medicare for the baby boomers, or they could make Medicare into vouchers and means test the vouchers. That was Paul Ryan's idea. And means test SS too. They can end the payments to women who did not work, end the double payments to men. The Cato Institute wants to do that, they have wanted to do that for a long time.

I think people will have to realize that the young folks are raising kids in apartments and do not have homes and can't make much money, so the old folks will have to get by on one pension. For example, a person on a huge state pension won't get SS, or someone on TriCare won't get Medicare, things like that. The older people have homes, so maybe they will take out reverse mortgages. And like you said, some may have to live with their grown kids like in the old days.

The real problem is the government gave ALL of the SS and Medicare tax money to the WWII generation who paid almost nothing for it, and so they allowed it to go broke in just giving it to one generation.

The politicans should have made Medicare into vouchers back in the 1970s long before it became a financial problem, and they also should have held up paying the WWII generation if they did not pay in, and saved the baby boomers money for them. The government mismanged the whole, entire thing.

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Hypoluxo Fl

#38 Mar 6, 2013
Pamela wrote:
<quoted text>And now Bill O'Reilly is screaming that Obama won't cut one cent on Medicare. First Fox got the old Dixicrats to vote for the Republicans based on Obama taking all of that money out of their government health care. Now they scream that he won't make any cuts. So which one is it??
When Obama cut $750 billion out of Medicare, that is what started the Tea Party. The Tea Party is old folks on the government who always voted Dem, who got mad at the Dems because of the cuts to their Medicare, so they thought maybe they could vote for the Repubs and get the Repubs to cancel Obamacare and get them back that $750 billion in Medicare.
When Obama cut Medicare like that, I thought - that is nothing compared to what needs to be cut and what will be cut. It was on Fox today that in a few more years SS and Medicare would use up the entire federal budget, 100 pecent of it, and it was a Republican saying this stuff, and he said that old people get 4 times more money from the government than young people do. They said that welfare is only about 10 percent of spending but SS and Medicare will soon be 100 percent of spending.
That is your wakeup call that both parties are about to end SS and Medicare, make Medicare into vouchers and cut both programs down to indigent only programs.
I tried the entire time the tea party has existed to tell them that because the social programs they want have $120 TRILLION of debt, those are the two programs that will be cut.
It is simple math.
The Tea Party thought it could just sit and demand the money with no new taxes and no cuts. It's is not logical, not possible and their strategy lacks all critical thinking, and so of course this is how it ends. Both parties have to take down SS and Medicare and so they begin.
You're as misinformed as that moron Le Dumbo au contraire Le Dumbospambot. Now I've heard everything. The Teabaggers were Dems that became Republicans. Try taking off your duncecap once in a while. And forget about Ron and Rand Paul nutjobs.

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#39 Mar 6, 2013
no credibility contraire wrote:
<quoted text>Why not use the white house for your link, it's the same thing.
IOw, you've got nothing so you have to lie about Politifact. Gotcha.

Dismissed!
Pamela

Citrus Heights, CA

#40 Mar 6, 2013
Mykro wrote:
<quoted text>You're as misinformed as that moron Le Dumbo au contraire Le Dumbospambot. Now I've heard everything. The Teabaggers were Dems that became Republicans. Try taking off your duncecap once in a while. And forget about Ron and Rand Paul nutjobs.
the Tea Party is all old people on the government who were Dems. That's exactly what they are, Rove knows that, everyone knows that. Go talk to them, they will tell you - "well, I always voted Dem, but Obama is a commie, bla, bla, he took money out of Medicare." That's what they say.

If they had voted Republican all of their lives, when the country collapsed when Bush was in office, obviously they would have turned on the Republican party and gone Libertarian. I would know, I am a lifelong Republican and the Tea Party nuts are nothing like me, not one bit. They do not know one thing about politics, they don't know anything other than what comes from Fox TV. They were Dems who are old and retired who spent all their money and who are on several government pensions and on Medicare and they are just out to try and keep all of the government stuff the get. That's why their only issue is they want OTHER stuff cut but not SS and Medicare, and that is why they never admit the debt in SS and Medicare. They refuse to ever deal with it. They have been pretending for years that there is no debt in SS and Medicare and their position is they paid in, they want all that stuff and they want welfare and student loans and grants ended so that they can get ALL of the government money. It's not rocket science.

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