Who says Mormons aren't Christians?

Who says Mormons aren't Christians?

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Since: Oct 08

Earth

#20364 Feb 17, 2013
Dana Robertson wrote:
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Doesn't have to be a prophet, he is a General Authority picked to represent the LDS church. His speech was given at General Conference, which was approval before he was allowed to give it. It has been reposted on the LDS web site without correction.
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If it is a "vital" part of your salvation, that is a commandment. Words mean something. You do love to strain at gnats.
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Living it is required today to hold any office in the LDS church, to get a temple recommend, or to even join the church. That makes it a commandment by any definition of the word.
I didn't ask for the comment from a GA or a Seventy etc. A prophet of that church gave the WOW by way of revelation.
So I asked of you...
"Try it this way. Why don't you search it out and see if any of the prophets have stated God lied, that the WoW was by way of a commandment, not a requirement and than get back to me with your proof it was given as a commandment."
I know what GA's have said and seventies etc. The WoW over time has came to be interpreted as a 'commandment'. But the fact remains the WoW wasn't recognized as a 'commandment' until the church had been 100 years old.
The WoW wasn't given as a commandment. LDS leaders since the early 1920s have interpreted it as a commandment. And there is strong evidence to show the WoW can be interpreted as such. But that doesn't take away from the fact that Smith made a statement. An undisputed statement no matter who interprets the WoW to their own opinion to being a commandment. Smith stated the WoW DIDN'T COME BY WAY AS A COMMANDMENT. So go argue with Smith, not me :)

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Since: Oct 08

Earth

#20365 Feb 17, 2013
Dana Robertson wrote:
The Word of Wisdom put restrictions on members of the Church. To this day those regulations apply to every member and to everyone who seeks to join the Church. They are so compelling that no one is to be baptized into the Church without first agreeing to live by them. No one will be called to teach or to lead unless they accept them. When you want to go to the temple, you will be asked if you keep the Word of Wisdom. If you do not, you cannot go to the house of the Lord until you are fully worthy.
While the revelation came first as a “greeting; not by commandment or constraint”(D&C 89:2), when members of the Church had had time to be taught the import of the revelation, succeeding Presidents of the Church declared it to be a commandment. And it was accepted by the Church as such.
http://www.lds.org/general-conference/1996/04...
"September 9, 1851, President Brigham Young stated that the members of the Church had had sufficient time to be taught the import of this revelation and that henceforth it was to be considered a divine commandment. This was first put to vote before the female members of the congregation and then before the men and by unanimous vote accepted. President Joseph F. Smith at a conference meeting in October 1908, made the same statement, and this has been repeated from time to time." - Joseph Fielding Smith, Answers to Gospel Questions, Vol 1. Chapter 48 page 196.
"The Word of Wisdom is today a commandment of the Lord to us, first given to us "not by constraint or commandment," but of later years given to us by the Prophet Brigham Young and by the Prophet Joseph F. Smith as a commandment to this people." -Heber J. Grant, Improvement Era 19:833, June 9, 1916
"The Word of Wisdom is a commandment. In 1851 President Brigham Young gave to this Church the Word of Wisdom as a final and definite commandment. From the time it was given to the Prophet Joseph until 1851 it was considered as a matter of preference or suggestions to the people, a word of advice and counsel. From 1851 until this day it is a commandment to all the members of the Church of Jesus Christ. " - Spencer W. Kimball, The Teachings of Spencer W. Kimball, chapter 8, page 201.
It is useful to remember that the first 3 verses of D&C 89 are not part of the actual Revelation but are clerical notes added to the Revelation. The word of the Lord comes after verse 3.
And check for yourself all the references to obeying it in General Conference through the years for yourself:
http://www.lds.org/search...
Again, you are only fooling yourself.
So you actually did some research this time, congratulations :)
By the way, I acknowledged that the LDS saw the WoW as a commandment. I stated that twice. And your references validated prophets called it as such.
One thing you're missing. It was never said by a prophet to be a revelation from God that the WoW that once didn't come by way of commandment, was now revealed by God to be taken as a commandment. like as happened with polygamy. Just saying :)
mormons arent christians

Houston, TX

#20366 Feb 17, 2013
mormons are crazy, with their fake made up book and crazy ways

“Too much LDS in the 60's”

Since: Sep 10

Marysville, CA

#20368 Feb 17, 2013
No Surprise wrote:
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So you actually did some research this time, congratulations :)
By the way, I acknowledged that the LDS saw the WoW as a commandment. I stated that twice. And your references validated prophets called it as such.
One thing you're missing. It was never said by a prophet to be a revelation from God that the WoW that once didn't come by way of commandment, was now revealed by God to be taken as a commandment. like as happened with polygamy. Just saying :)
Silly games won't make the LDS church true.
concerned in Eygpt

Aberdeen, UK

#20369 Feb 17, 2013
Is God a Father to All Mankind?

What does the Mormon Church teach concerning man's relationship with God the Father?

What does the Mormon Church teach concerning man's relationship with God the Father?

"The designation Father is to be taken literally; it signifies that the Supreme Being is the literal Parent or Father of the spirits of all men.(Hebrews 12:9.) All men, Christ included, were born as his children in pre-existence...It is only by understanding the real and literal sense in which God is our Father that we are able to understand what is meant by the Fatherhood of God and the Brotherhood of Man. In addition to the fact that all men are brothers in the sense that all have descended from Adam, they are also brothers in that they have the same personal Father who begat them in the spirit." (Bruce R. McConkie, Mormon Doctrine, 278)

This same teaching is echoed in a manual for new LDS converts so that they "can learn the basic principles of the gospel and become better prepared to live them." (Gospel Principles, 1)

"God is not only our ruler and our creator, he is also our Heavenly Father.'All men and women are...literally the sons and daughters of Deity....Man, as a spirit, was begotten and born of heavenly parents, and reared to maturity in the eternal mansions of the Father, prior to coming upon the earth in a temporal [physical] body'(Joseph F. Smith,'The Origin of Man,' Improvement Era, Nov. 1909, 78, 80). Every person who was ever born on earth was our spirit brother or sister in heaven. The first spirit born to our heavenly parents was Jesus Christ (see D&C 93:21)." (Gospel Principles, 9)

Plainly then, the Mormon Church teaches that God the Father is indeed each person's spiritual father. Does this agree with the teachings from the Bible?

The Apostle John teaches that some people belong to God and others do not: "Behold, what manner of love the Father hath bestowed upon us, that we should be called the sons of God...Beloved, now are we the sons of God...In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil; whosoever doeth not righteousness is not of God, neither he that loveth not his brother." (1 John 3:1-10)

Jesus is in agreement that some people are not children of God. To a group of Jewish listeners, Jesus proclaimed, "If God were your Father, ye would love me... Ye are of your father the devil..." (John 8:42, 44)

cont....
concerned in Eygpt

Aberdeen, UK

#20370 Feb 17, 2013
According to the Bible, having God as your Heavenly Father is not as automatic as the LDS Church teaches. Instead, individuals make a choice to become His child: "But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on His name." (John 1:12) Note that once we choose to receive Christ we become something we were not: children of God.

Furthermore, "Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is born of God..." (1 John 5:1)

We are adopted into God's family. "For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God...ye have received the Spirit of adoption, whereby we cry, Abba, Father. The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God." (Romans 8:14-16)

Would God adopt us if we already belonged to Him?

Would He require that we take an action in order to become a child of His?

Would Jesus have told certain Jews that their father was not God and thereby become a liar?

Would the Apostle John clearly have delineated that some people belong to God and others to the devil?

The LDS Church's teaching of the Fatherhood of God and the Brotherhood of Man may sound appealing, but it is not based in Holy Scripture.

From
http://www.answeringlds.org/index.html...

More verifiable evidence that can be tested. Just on the LDS concept of God the Father alone and how different it is from Biblical and Historical Christianity we can with conviction and truth declare Mormons are not Christians

Truth Matters

“Good day to you!”

Since: Oct 08

Earth

#20371 Feb 17, 2013
Dana Robertson wrote:
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Silly games won't make the LDS church true.
lol...it took very little to convince you it was true for over 30 years, so it was true for you for 30 years.

I have a question for you. If Joseph Smith had denied Jesus like Peter denied Jesus thinking it would save his life, how would you be using that information to attack the LDS? Pretend Smith denied his religious philosophy and Jesus who he said it came from because a mob was holding him and threatening his life. So hearing his denials they let him go and later died in the jail shooting.
How would you use that information to prove Smith and his church was false?
concerned in Eygpt

Aberdeen, UK

#20372 Feb 17, 2013
No Surprise wrote:
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lol...it took very little to convince you it was true for over 30 years, so it was true for you for 30 years.
I have a question for you. If Joseph Smith had denied Jesus like Peter denied Jesus thinking it would save his life, how would you be using that information to attack the LDS? Pretend Smith denied his religious philosophy and Jesus who he said it came from because a mob was holding him and threatening his life. So hearing his denials they let him go and later died in the jail shooting.
How would you use that information to prove Smith and his church was false?
Peter denied Jesus three times.
He repented and Jesus restored him asking him if he loved him three times. Peter was willingly and went to the Cross and was crucified as Jesus prophesied.

Joseph Smith denied the one true Jesus revealed in the Bible all his life told true Christians they were of the devil, committed Adultery, was a pedophile, was a false prophet who died in a shoot out trying to murder men with a gun.

No comparison Joseph Smith was a tool of the Devil
That is why Mormons are not Christians

“Too much LDS in the 60's”

Since: Sep 10

Marysville, CA

#20373 Feb 18, 2013
concerned in Eygpt wrote:
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Peter denied Jesus three times.
He repented and Jesus restored him asking him if he loved him three times. Peter was willingly and went to the Cross and was crucified as Jesus prophesied.
Joseph Smith denied the one true Jesus revealed in the Bible all his life told true Christians they were of the devil, committed Adultery, was a pedophile, was a false prophet who died in a shoot out trying to murder men with a gun.
No comparison Joseph Smith was a tool of the Devil
That is why Mormons are not Christians
I couldn't answer any better then that. It's sad how he is always trying to compare Smith to Jesus, which is like comparing polluted water to a clear crystal stream. Only the brainwashed wouldn't see the difference.
concerned in Egypt

Aberdeen, UK

#20375 Feb 18, 2013
Dana Robertson wrote:
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I couldn't answer any better then that. It's sad how he is always trying to compare Smith to Jesus, which is like comparing polluted water to a clear crystal stream. Only the brainwashed wouldn't see the difference.
Thank you.
Imhotep

United States

#20376 Feb 18, 2013
Observations

Most alleged true believers of these (God, Messiah, Prophet or Saviour) myths are unusually incurious, abnormally unintelligent, amazingly inarticulate, fantastically uncultured, extraordinarily uneducated, and apparently quite proud of this.

Other non believers may select a more rigorous mental workout - I credit this daily infusion of Christian / Mormon nonsense with extending my lifespan and providing a good laugh.

;-)
concerned in Egypt

Aberdeen, UK

#20377 Feb 18, 2013
Black Skin and the Seed of Cain
another reason in of itself Mormons are not Christians.

http://www.mrm.org/curse-of-cain

Mormon leaders have taught that aeons ago the time came to present a salvation plan for those of God's children who would eventually advance to a mortal state. Two of Elohim's sons, Jehovah (the pre-incarnate Christ) and Lucifer, presented their respective salvation plans for mortal man. According to LDS President Harold B. Lee:

"…Lucifer, a son of God in the spirit world before the earth was formed, proposed a plan under which mortals would be saved without glory and honor of God. The plan of our Savior, Jehovah, was to give to each the right to choose for himself the course he would travel in earth life and all was to be done to the honor and glory of God our Heavenly Father" (Stand Ye In Holy Places, p.219).

When Lucifer's plan was rejected, he rebelled against his brother and father and persuaded a third of God's spirit children to join him. Led by Michael the archangel, the remaining spirit children of God would join in what is known as the war in heaven. Lucifer would lose and become known as Satan; his followers then became demons. Both would be cast out of heaven.

Unfortunately this battle had casualties of another sort. According to LDS Apostle Bruce McConkie, some of those who fought on God's side

"were more valiant than others…Those who were less valiant in pre-existence and who thereby had certain spiritual restrictions imposed upon them during mortality are known to us as the negroes. Such spirits are sent to earth through the lineage of Cain, the mark put upon him for his rebellion against God and his murder of Abel being a black skin...The present status of the negro rests purely and simply on the foundation of pre-existence" (Mormon Doctrine, p.527, 1966 ed.).

According to Brigham Young, Joseph Smith classified these people as The Seed of Cain. Young said that "Joseph Smith had declared that the Negroes were not neutral in heaven, for all the spirits took sides, but 'the posterity of Cain are black because he (Cain) committed murder. He killed Abel and God set a mark upon his posterity'" (The Way to Perfection, Joseph Fielding Smith, p.105).

Mormon Prophets claim Blacks are inferior

go to the link above to verify the evidence

Truth Matters Mormons are not Christians.
Sinilau

Draper, UT

#20378 Feb 18, 2013
No Surprise wrote:
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lol...it took very little to convince you it was true for over 30 years, so it was true for you for 30 years.
I have a question for you. If Joseph Smith had denied Jesus like Peter denied Jesus thinking it would save his life, how would you be using that information to attack the LDS? Pretend Smith denied his religious philosophy and Jesus who he said it came from because a mob was holding him and threatening his life. So hearing his denials they let him go and later died in the jail shooting.
How would you use that information to prove Smith and his church was false?
The problem is, the lds church doesn't compare joseph smith to Peter, they compare him to christ, that joseph gave up his life like jesus did!! He sacrifice his life for the church, just like how sacrifice his life for all human.

Since: Sep 12

Location hidden

#20379 Feb 18, 2013
concerned in Egypt wrote:
Black Skin and the Seed of Cain
another reason in of itself Mormons are not Christians.
http://www.mrm.org/curse-of-cain
Mormon leaders have taught that aeons ago the time came to present a salvation plan for those of God's children who would eventually advance to a mortal state. Two of Elohim's sons, Jehovah (the pre-incarnate Christ) and Lucifer, presented their respective salvation plans for mortal man. According to LDS President Harold B. Lee:
"…Lucifer, a son of God in the spirit world before the earth was formed, proposed a plan under which mortals would be saved without glory and honor of God. The plan of our Savior, Jehovah, was to give to each the right to choose for himself the course he would travel in earth life and all was to be done to the honor and glory of God our Heavenly Father" (Stand Ye In Holy Places, p.219).
When Lucifer's plan was rejected, he rebelled against his brother and father and persuaded a third of God's spirit children to join him. Led by Michael the archangel, the remaining spirit children of God would join in what is known as the war in heaven. Lucifer would lose and become known as Satan; his followers then became demons. Both would be cast out of heaven.
Unfortunately this battle had casualties of another sort. According to LDS Apostle Bruce McConkie, some of those who fought on God's side
"were more valiant than others…Those who were less valiant in pre-existence and who thereby had certain spiritual restrictions imposed upon them during mortality are known to us as the negroes. Such spirits are sent to earth through the lineage of Cain, the mark put upon him for his rebellion against God and his murder of Abel being a black skin...The present status of the negro rests purely and simply on the foundation of pre-existence" (Mormon Doctrine, p.527, 1966 ed.).
According to Brigham Young, Joseph Smith classified these people as The Seed of Cain. Young said that "Joseph Smith had declared that the Negroes were not neutral in heaven, for all the spirits took sides, but 'the posterity of Cain are black because he (Cain) committed murder. He killed Abel and God set a mark upon his posterity'" (The Way to Perfection, Joseph Fielding Smith, p.105).
Mormon Prophets claim Blacks are inferior
go to the link above to verify the evidence
Truth Matters Mormons are not Christians.
Your information is irrelevant and out of date. In the Doctrine and Covenants the church is described as a "living church." (D&C 1:30) It is a living church with living scripture. This isn't the Catholic church. We know people are fallible. Bruce R McConkie said,
"It doesn’t make a particle of difference what anybody ever said about the Negro matter before the first day of June of this year, 1978. It is a new day and a new arrangement, and the Lord has now given the revelation that sheds light out into the world on this subject. As to any slivers of light or any particles of darkness of the past, we forget about them. We now do what meridian Israel did when the Lord said the gospel should go to the Gentiles. We forget all the statements that limited the gospel to the house of Israel, and we start going to the Gentiles."
http://speeches.byu.edu/...

In other words, what Brigham Young said or Bruce R McConkie said on the "Negro matter" is no longer relevant.

Second: Mormon Doctrine was NOT an official publication of the church and therefor is not official "Mormon Doctrine" despite its title.

Third: Your post is plain libelous. Bruce R McConkie was NOT an apostle when Mormon Doctrine was first published.

Since: Sep 12

Location hidden

#20380 Feb 18, 2013
Sinilau wrote:
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The problem is, the lds church doesn't compare joseph smith to Peter, they compare him to christ, that joseph gave up his life like jesus did!! He sacrifice his life for the church, just like how sacrifice his life for all human.
There is a huge difference. I'm a member of the church, and I would like to set the record straight. Jesus Christ did more for the salvation of mankind than ANYONE else.
Father overtime

Salt Lake City, UT

#20381 Feb 18, 2013
concerned in Eygpt wrote:
The Temple Made Obsolete
At the end of His earthly ministry, Jesus Christ predicted that the Jerusalem temple was about to be destroyed (Matthew 24:2). He told his disciples:“… verily I say unto you, There shall not be left here one stone upon another …”
This prophecy was fulfilled in A.D. 70, when the Roman general Titus demolished the temple; it has never since been rebuilt. Elsewhere, Jesus said that temple worship was about to be replaced by a new form of worship without a temple building:“the hour cometh, when ye shall neither in this mountain, nor yet at Jerusalem, worship the Father … But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth: for the Father seeketh such to worship him”(John 4:21,23).
A dramatic event at the time of Christ’s death on the cross signaled the end of temple worship. The Gospels record that at the very moment Jesus expired,“the veil of the temple was rent in twain from the top to the bottom”(Matthew 27:51; also Mark 15:38; Luke 23:45). Before it’s rending at the time of Jesus death, the thick temple veil (see Figure 1) had served as a barrier to prevent the priests from seeing into the temple’s inner room, the Holy of Holies. This inner sanctum represented the place of God’s holy and glorious presence. Only the high priest was allowed to enter the Holy of Holies, once a year on the Day of Atonement (Yom Kippur). This restriction signified that access into God’s presence was not truly provided by the Old Covenant. In the words of the New Testament book of Hebrews 9:8,“The Holy Ghost this signifying, that the way into the holiest of all was not yet made manifest, while as the first tabernacle was yet standing.” According to ancient Jewish accounts, the thick temple veil was so strong that two teams of oxen pulling in opposite directions could not have torn it.10 Surely, this top-to-bottom tearing of the veil at the moment of Christ’s death was a supernatural act of God, heaven’s response to the completion of Jesus once-for-all atoning sacrifice on the cross.(Notably, no cross is displayed on Mormon temples, unlike Christian churches.) Through faith in Christ, believers are now granted free access into the very presence of God. In the words of the New Testament book of Hebrews,“Seeing then that we have a great high priest, that is passed into the heavens, Jesus the Son of God ... Let us therefore come boldly unto the throne of grace, that we may obtain mercy, and find grace to help in time of need”(Hebrews 4:14-16; see also 6:19;10:19-22).
The rending of the veil signified the end of the temple worship system. That system is now obsolete, and we no longer need a human priest or temple. Under the New Covenant established by Jesus Christ, He is the believer’s High Priest in the very sanctuary of Heaven itself. Thus, a “Christian temple” such as the Mormon Church proposes, is a contradiction in terms.
again from http://mit.irr.org/are-mormon-temples-christi...
all footnoted so you can verify the facts yourself.
CLEARLY MORMONS ARE NOT CHRISTIANS THEY THINK THEY NEED TEMPLES TO PRACTICE PAGAN RITUALS.
TRUTH MATTTERS
This post is all opinion. No truth here. Carry on.

Since: Sep 12

Location hidden

#20382 Feb 18, 2013
concerned in Eygpt wrote:
According to the Bible, having God as your Heavenly Father is not as automatic as the LDS Church teaches. Instead, individuals make a choice to become His child: "But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on His name." (John 1:12) Note that once we choose to receive Christ we become something we were not: children of God.
Furthermore, "Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is born of God..." (1 John 5:1)
We are adopted into God's family. "For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God...ye have received the Spirit of adoption, whereby we cry, Abba, Father. The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God." (Romans 8:14-16)
Would God adopt us if we already belonged to Him?
Would He require that we take an action in order to become a child of His?
Would Jesus have told certain Jews that their father was not God and thereby become a liar?
Would the Apostle John clearly have delineated that some people belong to God and others to the devil?
The LDS Church's teaching of the Fatherhood of God and the Brotherhood of Man may sound appealing, but it is not based in Holy Scripture.
From
http://www.answeringlds.org/index.html...
More verifiable evidence that can be tested. Just on the LDS concept of God the Father alone and how different it is from Biblical and Historical Christianity we can with conviction and truth declare Mormons are not Christians
Truth Matters
The principle that we are sons and daughters of God is dualistic in nature. We are both literally the sons and daughters of God AND we are adopted into his family when we accept Christ.

Don't just take my word for it, lets check out the Bible:
-We are all literally the Children of God:

Ephesians 4:5-6 "One Lord, one faith, one baptism, One God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all."

+Commentary: Can the Bible spell it out any clearer? "Father of all." No contingencies, no covenants, no strings attached.

Malachi 2:10 "Have we not all one father? hath not one God created us? why do we deal treacherously every man against his brother, by profaning the covenant of our fathers?"

+Commentary: We are all children of God in the sense that God created us all, making us all sons and daughters, brothers and sisters. God IS our father.

-We are also adopted into Christ's family when we enter the church:

Romans 8:15-17

Since: Sep 12

Location hidden

#20384 Feb 18, 2013
concerned in Eygpt wrote:
Thus, a “Christian temple” such as the Mormon Church proposes, is a contradiction in terms.
again from http://mit.irr.org/are-mormon-temples-christi...
all footnoted so you can verify the facts yourself.
CLEARLY MORMONS ARE NOT CHRISTIANS THEY THINK THEY NEED TEMPLES TO PRACTICE PAGAN RITUALS.
TRUTH MATTTERS
Mormons are Christians. We proclaim it, know it, live it the best we can, and our scriptures proclaim it.

Book of Mormon, Mosiah 3:8-9
"And he shall be called Jesus Christ, the Son of God, the Father of heaven and earth, the Creator of all things from the beginning; and his mother shall be called Mary. And lo, he cometh unto his own, that salvation might come unto the children of men even through faith on his name; and even after all this they shall consider him a man, and say that he hath a devil, and shall scourge him, and shall crucify him."

-Is it unChristian to believe that salvation comes through faith in Jesus Christ?

Book of Mormon not enough? Take a look at the constitution of the Church.(D&C 20: 21-25)

"Wherefore, the Almighty God gave his Only Begotten Son, as it is written in those scripture which have been given of him. He suffered temptations but gave no heed unto them. He was crucified, died, and rose again the third day; And ascended into heaven, to sit down on the right hand of the Father, to reign with almighty power according to the will of the Father; that as many as would believe and be baptized in his holy name, and endure in faith to the end, should be saved-"

-Is it unChristian to believe that Jesus Christ the savior suffered and died to bring salvation to all who would believe and be baptized and endure in faith?

By the way, just in case anyone is hung up on the baptism issue:
Baptism is essential for salvation. Don't believe me? Lets see what Christ said:
"He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned."
(Mark 16:16)
concerned in Egypt

Aberdeen, UK

#20385 Feb 18, 2013
Sambrotherofnephi wrote:
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Your information is irrelevant and out of date.
"It doesn’t make a particle of difference what anybody ever said about the Negro matter before the first day of June of this year, 1978......cut for space.......
Third: Your post is plain libelous. Bruce R McConkie was NOT an apostle when Mormon Doctrine was first published.
Hello I knew it would not take long before LDS cnetral sent out a ringer but they may want to get some better than YOU. LOL

"It doesn’t make a particle of difference what anybody ever said about the Negro matter before "

REALLY it does not Matter what your founding two PROPHETS said about the NEGRO??

If so than your faith is null void and irrelevant by logical extension.

According to Brigham Young, Joseph Smith classified these people as The Seed of Cain. Young said that "Joseph Smith had declared that the Negroes were not neutral in heaven, for all the spirits took sides, but 'the posterity of Cain are black because he (Cain) committed murder. He killed Abel and God set a mark upon his posterity'" (The Way to Perfection, Joseph Fielding Smith, p.105).

"It was well understood by the early elders of the Church that the mark which was placed on Cain and which his posterity inherited was the black skin. The Book of Moses informs us that Cain and his descendants were black" (The Way to Perfection, p.107).

Bruce McConkie would write, "The negroes are not equal with other races where the receipt of certain spiritual blessings are concerned, particularly the priesthood and the temple blessings that flow therefrom…" (Mormon Doctrine, p.527, 1966 ed.).

Joseph Fielding Smith stated, "Not only was Cain called upon to suffer, but because of his wickedness he became the father of an inferior race" (The Way to Perfection, p.101). This comment is especially interesting since it was this same Joseph Fielding Smith who also said, "The Latter-day Saints have no animosity towards the Negro. Neither have they described him as belonging to an `inferior race'" (Answers to Gospel Questions 4:170).

LDS Apostle Mark E. Petersen asked, and answered, the following hypothetical question:

“If I were to marry a Negro woman and have children by her, my children would all be cursed as to the priesthood. Do I want my children cursed as to the priesthood? If there is one drop of Negro blood in my children, as I read to you, they receive the curse. There isn’t any argument, therefore, as to inter-marriage with the Negro, is there?…Now we are generous with the Negro. We are willing that the Negro have the highest kind of education. I would be willing to let every Negro drive a Cadillac if they could afford it. I would be willing that they have all the advantages they can get out of life in the world. But let them enjoy these things among themselves. I think the Lord segregated the Negro and who is man to change that segregation? It reminds me of the scripture on marriage,'what God hath joined together, let not man put asunder.' Only here we have the reverse of the thing— What God hath separated, let not man bring together again”(Mark E. Petersen,“Race Problems as They Affect the Church,” August 27, 1954, p.21).

In a sermon given on March 8, 1863, Young stated,

"Shall I tell you the law of God in regard to the African race? If the white man who belongs to the chosen seed mixes his blood with the seed of Cain, the penalty, under the law of God, is death on the spot. This will always be so" (Journal of Discourses, 10:110).

so to all would be LDS this guy thinks all of this is irrelevant but it gets worse. cont.....
concerned in Egypt

Aberdeen, UK

#20386 Feb 18, 2013
On December 3, 1854, Brigham Young said, "When all the other children of Adam have had the privilege of receiving the Priesthood, and of coming into the kingdom of God, and of being redeemed from the four quarters of the earth, and have received their resurrection from the dead, then it will be time enough to remove the curse from Cain and his posterity" (Journal of Discourses 2:143).

President Wilford Woodruff noted in his journal that President Young said, "...that mark shall remain upon the seed of Cain until the seed of Abel shall be redeemed, and Cain shall not receive the Priesthood, until the time of that redemption" (History of Wilford Woodruff, p.351, as printed in The Way to Perfection, p.106).

Since the resurrection from the dead has not taken place, and the redemption of Abel's posterity has not come to fruition, it is apparent that the LDS Church was premature in its 1978 decision.

So what this LDS guy Sambrotherofnephi is saying we can disregard our founding prophets and Make it up as we go.

He will as the LDS will redefine what a living Church means and what living scripture means to suit what ever the flavor of the day is.

And that is why Mormons are not Christians they make it up as they go and redefine words as they go.

ITS CALLED DECEPTION..

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