Who says Mormons aren't Christians?

Who says Mormons aren't Christians?

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“Too much LDS in the 60's”

Since: Sep 10

Marysville, CA

#20085 Feb 12, 2013
sportxmouse wrote:
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If you know the Bible so well, then why don't you know the history of it?
This is not taught by the Mormon Church. It is strictly Biblical history.
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Christ set up his Church "The Church of Jesus Christ" during his ministry. Money, power, and evil changed it.
Then came the Dark Ages.
The Roman Catholics forbid anyone without "their authority" to own a copy of the Bible... for monetary purposes.
"The original languages of Hebrew and Greek, and the 1,000 years of the Dark & Middle Ages when the Word was trapped in only Latin". This was done to ensure people did not have the ability to possess the knowledge of the Word of God on their own for their own agenda. The only way to obtain the knowledge or power was to pay for it.
All of the different break offs of the different Christian Church's came as a result of the Dark Ages. That is why there are Different Christian sects NOT different Christian GODS.
The Church Jesus originally set up was corrupted because of the Roman Catholics and their agenda. Their agenda and their corruption was finally exposed by Martin Luther...
"Luther declared his intolerance for the Roman Church’s corruption on Halloween in 1517, by nailing his 95 Theses of Contention to the Wittenberg Church door. Luther, who would be exiled in the months following the Diet of Worms Council in 1521 that was designed to martyr him, would translate the New Testament into German for the first time from the 1516 Greek-Latin New Testament of Erasmus, and publish it in September of 1522... In the 1530’s he would go on to publish the entire Bible in German."
HOWEVER, when it started being distributed... they were "burned as soon as the Bishop could confiscate them, but copies trickled through and actually ended up in the bedroom of King Henry VIII. The more the King and Bishop resisted its distribution, the more fascinated the public at large became. The church declared it contained thousands of errors as they torched hundreds of New Testaments confiscated by the clergy, while in fact, they burned them because they could find no errors at all. One risked death by burning if caught in mere possession of Tyndale's forbidden books."
To read more about this PLEASE READ THE INFORMATION FROM THIS SITE. From the Knowledge I've obtained in studying religions in college, through years of research... this site is very thorough and correct.
http://greatsite.com/timeline-english-bible-h...
http://greatsite.com/timeline-english-bible-h...
http://greatsite.com/timeline-english-bible-h...
The only way to have the TRUTH and I mean the FULL TRUTH is to go back to the ORIGINAL BIBLE...
it had the fullness.
Once it was broken up and taken away from and added to and modified it became NOT the ORIGINAL.
It is necessary for us to take ALL writings into account that ARE
O.R.I.G.I.N.A.L.
There is still more out there.
The Book of Mormon is just one of the O.R.I.G.I.N.A.L. writings discussed here. The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints is about the writings that originated from the Nephites in the Book of Mormon.
Making issue with JS in any way shape or form has always been the desire of corrupted men.
So you think Jesus was a liar? A false prophet?
Matthew 16:18
I also say to you that you are Peter, and upon this rock I will build My church; and the gates of Hades will not overpower it.

Well, according to you, the LDS church, and Joe Smith, Jesus was wrong because the gates of hades did overcome it for 1,500 yrs. Mormonism thinks Christian is a club that you must have the right membership to. That has nothing to do with it. It is the persons relationship to Christ that is the deciding factor on a persons salvation.

“Too much LDS in the 60's”

Since: Sep 10

Marysville, CA

#20086 Feb 12, 2013
vcb wrote:
As there was no Islam before the time of Muhammad, that claim is about the most ignorant thing I've heard all day.

“Too much LDS in the 60's”

Since: Sep 10

Marysville, CA

#20087 Feb 12, 2013
concerned in Eygpt wrote:
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and not one of them changed our present day bible all manuscripts of the Bible confirmed that they were accurate.
That speaks to God and confirms his words not one STROKE shall be erased.
What is mind boggling is the Mormon notion that for some 1700 years God did not have the power to maintain his word as he said he would and some Adulteress Pedophile polygamist guy who died in a shoot out in jail who used a magic top hat and magic glasses to translate a Golden book of Mormon that if real would have been to heavy to lift for one man, that nobody saw no witnesses was needed to get us back on track. Whose cult then claimed all Black men are black because they were Neutral in Heaven during Lucifer's fight with his brother Jesus and apparently I did good because I am white and its just recently Blacks now can go in the temple contrary to B.Y. words if a black enters the temple should be torn down.
Alice in Wonderland folks Alice in Wonderland is more believable that this cult.
Apparently God lies to the Mormons all the time:
Matthew 24:35
Heaven and earth will pass away, but My words will not pass away.

Yet they claim they believe in Jesus while calling him a liar the whole time.

“Too much LDS in the 60's”

Since: Sep 10

Marysville, CA

#20088 Feb 12, 2013
sportxmouse wrote:
"During the middle years of the twentieth century two important but very different collections of ancient religious texts were unearthed in Palestine and Egypt: the Dead Sea Scrolls and the Nag Hammadi Library"
http://gnosis.org/library/dss/dss.htm
And not one thing in them supports the teachings of the LDS church.
concerned in Eygpt

Aberdeen, UK

#20089 Feb 12, 2013
Dana Robertson wrote:
<quoted text>
Apparently God lies to the Mormons all the time:
Matthew 24:35
Heaven and earth will pass away, but My words will not pass away.
Yet they claim they believe in Jesus while calling him a liar the whole time.
You speak (write) a lot of truth logically and backed up with scripture you never know might catch on with some of these LDS

But at the end of the Day I believe most already know its a fairy tale at best, where I live in Canada is 60% Mormon, I grew up with Mormons some today still very good friends, I know where they stand as they do I.

But what comes out from them in deep quiet honest moments is that to leave is to leave a very tight knit family that truly love each other and take care of each other. For sure they know Family

To stand up and say hey we are good family people but got our theology all messed up is tough as they have radicals that will make it hell for them in their community.

So to admit it publicly is very tough situation for the average LDS.

Prayer is the answer for an average LDS to take a stand for the truth will have a price I have never known

“Good day to you!”

Since: Oct 08

Earth

#20091 Feb 12, 2013
Mormon cult wrote:
I wonder what mormons thinks of Joe smith firing shots and killed two people and was also smoking and drinking before the so called martyr as the mormons prefer to call his death....Any thoughts mormons? Was he sweeping the word of wisdom under the rug for a bottle a wine....Just like how polygamy is discontinued for the time being..,.and we know its not dismissed all together since they still consider D & C 132 as scriptures...any idea mormons??
It's called self defence. Men were armed and firing through the door at what they thought were unarmed men. That proves the mob was set to commit premeditated first degree murder.
The first murder they committed was Hyrum Smith. That's called a cold blooded killing when you kill an unarmed man.
Smith thought he was going to die and stated he was being led to a slaughter as a lamb. Remember what Peter did the first time his life was threatened? He ran. He didn't stay around to become a martyr. When Jesus was being taken to Jail, remember what Peter did? He pulled a sword from it's scabbard and tried unsuccessfully to half the skull of a guard, but missed and cut his ear off.
Know what that proves and insinuates? Peter, the faithful loving apostle of the Lord walked about armed with a very sharp sword. And more likely the apostles were armed to.
So I don't find it odd that Smith thinking he was about to die and has a chance to arm himself does it. I don't find it odd that while a angry mod is firing blindly through a door to murder the men inside, I think it was right as rain for Smith to fire off that pistol in self defence. I think it's to bad that all six rounds didn't go off wounding/killing four or five men. I think that believing the prisoners were armed, they would have turned tale and ran. The out come would have been very different.
And to my memory, I don't remember Smith teaching it was a sin to drink wine from time to time. Prophets and leaders in the OT drank it. Jesus made some for a wedding.
So what now?

sportxmouse

“Duty is a Privilege!”

Since: Sep 12

Location hidden

#20092 Feb 12, 2013
I haven't even been talking about Mormonism... I've been talking about HISTORY of the BIBLE.

You guys can ramble and babble and name call and lean on each other like crutches because both of you are stunted intellectually and can't cypher 2+2...

or put your on thoughts together.

sportxmouse

“Duty is a Privilege!”

Since: Sep 12

Location hidden

#20093 Feb 12, 2013
The way you two like to name call and play bully of the park... I bet if two go get a little kiddie pool put it under the clothes line in Mrs Dana Roberts back yard both of you can take mud baths together.

It would be a blast!

Your supporting evidence (which in truth is none) makes you two look ridiculous and it substantiates neither of you have credibility or analytical skills.

Hence, the reason you must use that little anti-key and copy paste someone else's thoughts as your own. Slinging opinions and bullying your way around babbling your anti-key as evidence.

Right... We will see how that works out for you in the end!

Cuz... it might work in that kiddie pool... but when you go home and have to face daddy... it might not be so fun!

“Good day to you!”

Since: Oct 08

Earth

#20094 Feb 12, 2013
concerned in Eygpt wrote:
<quoted text>
Again all this attests to his you have no idea why they were consider righteous.
That is because you believe its by Works and what you do.
But these men you reference were righteous in spite of their ACTIONS and deeds.
If you are to argue that we can be Polygamists because David was and he was also considered Righteous before God then clearly Adultery, Murder are OK too.
YOU miss it by a mile.
When David was confronted with the consequences of his his Sins Polygamy Murder he was repentant and truly Sorry and knew only God by Grace and Mercy could save him and create renew heart and soul in him.
He knew he was completely helpless to change his ways and only God could make him clean righteous as he was too far gone and no amount of good deeds after the fact could.
Read Psalm 51 again for the first time.
You wish to believe polygamy is wicked, evil and not of God. That's fine as opinions go.
Unfortunately for you, you have to contest with Jewish history, not Christian history, not my opinion and not your opinion concerning polygamy.
For as far back as the third great grandson of Cain polygamy existed. It's existed as long as monogamy has existed. It existed before the flood and it came to exist after the flood.
And Moses, a prophet and leader of the 12 tribes of Israel from the influence of the Spirit of God gave commands for the people to follow, including laws regulating polygamy.
Hate it or accept it existed is your choice.
15If a man has two wives, and he loves one but not the other, and both bear him sons but the firstborn is the son of the wife he does not love, 16when he wills his property to his sons, he must not give the rights of the firstborn to the son of the wife he loves in preference to his actual firstborn, the son of the wife he does not love. 17He must acknowledge the son of his unloved wife as the firstborn by giving him a double share of all he has. That son is the first sign of his father’s strength. The right of the firstborn belongs to him.—Deuteronomy 21:15-17 (NIV)

“Good day to you!”

Since: Oct 08

Earth

#20095 Feb 12, 2013
concerned in Eygpt wrote:
If you are to argue that we can be Polygamists because David was and he was also considered Righteous before God then clearly Adultery, Murder are OK too.
YOU miss it by a mile.
When David was confronted with the consequences of his his Sins Polygamy Murder he was repentant and truly Sorry and knew only God by Grace and Mercy could save him and create renew heart and soul in him.
The above was an ignorant thing to write.
David wasn't disciplined for polygamy. It was never said nor written as you erringly claim.
David was guilty on two counts: adultery and murder. He had sex with a woman that was already married. That was his first trespass and sin against God. His second trespass and sin was the planning out the death of her husband and having him killed. He made other trespasses and sins like "Thou shalt not covet they neighbour's wife."
But David's sins were all connected to his adultery and murder. Not the act of polygamy.

“Too much LDS in the 60's”

Since: Sep 10

Marysville, CA

#20096 Feb 12, 2013
concerned in Eygpt wrote:
<quoted text>
You speak (write) a lot of truth logically and backed up with scripture you never know might catch on with some of these LDS
But at the end of the Day I believe most already know its a fairy tale at best, where I live in Canada is 60% Mormon, I grew up with Mormons some today still very good friends, I know where they stand as they do I.
But what comes out from them in deep quiet honest moments is that to leave is to leave a very tight knit family that truly love each other and take care of each other. For sure they know Family
To stand up and say hey we are good family people but got our theology all messed up is tough as they have radicals that will make it hell for them in their community.
So to admit it publicly is very tough situation for the average LDS.
Prayer is the answer for an average LDS to take a stand for the truth will have a price I have never known
I was born and raised LDS also. Left when I was 33 when I became a born again Christian. The problems for Mormons with me is that they can't double talk like No Surprise does, or lie, because I know from first hand experience their arguments, and how they will lie if they think they are talking to someone who doesn't have full knowledge. And lie they will to deceive people about the true teachings of the church. You can see how they will even lie to themselves.
They are only fooling themselves.

“Good day to you!”

Since: Oct 08

Earth

#20097 Feb 12, 2013
concerned in Eygpt wrote:
<quoted text>
done 3 times the links where you can find them are there if you truly a seeker of truth.
AS I stasted before if I cut and paste you complain if I don't you complain.
YOU are intolerable, you are uneducated in Theology and Church History you are fool.
I will continue to post documented verifiable proof that LDS are not Christians.
You well I would be a dumb dumb like you to continue this folly with you.
Mormons are not Christians stand by for the irrefutable FACTS that demonstrate this TRUTH
You posted references. You didn't post information to read. You didn't post actual statements from those references because you haven't read the information yourself.
You said first hand accounts of Smith having sex existed. You either show your evidence or prove yourself to be nothing but hot air.
Fricking child...lol.

“Good day to you!”

Since: Oct 08

Earth

#20098 Feb 12, 2013
Dana Robertson wrote:
<quoted text>
Newsflash: Pot call Kettle black. LOL!!!
lol...he reminds me of you when he gets on one of his play ground rants :)
quzluz

Monessen, PA

#20099 Feb 12, 2013
http://youtube.com/watch... ……
They arent Christians,,Its spoken

“Good day to you!”

Since: Oct 08

Earth

#20100 Feb 12, 2013
Dana Robertson wrote:
Just what are these "essential" teachings and please, for once, give actual scripture to prove it and not your Mormon fantasies.
Let's begin with how these main stream Catholic, Orthodox, Lutheran, Reformed/ Presbyterian, Anglican/Episcopalian, Methodist/ Wesleyan and Baptist Christian religions view the Bible shall we?
..
Inspiration & Inerrancy of the Bible
1. Catholic..."The books of Scripture firmly, faithfully, and without error teach that truth which God, for the sake of our salvation, wished to see confided to the Sacred Scriptures." (Catechism, 2nd ed.)
2. Orthodox..."God's inspiration is confined to the original languages and utterances, not the many translations." (GOAA) "While the Bible is treasured as a valuable written record of God's revelation, it does not contain wholly that revelation." (GOAA)
3. Luthern...Inspired and inerrant.(LCMS) Inspired but not inerrant.(ELCA)
4. Reformed/Presbyterian...The Bible is inspired. "For some, that means the Bible is inerrant. For others, it means that even though the Bible is culturally conditioned and not necessarily factual or even always true, it breathes with the life of God." (PCUSA)
5. Anglican/ Episcopalian...The OT and NT contain all things necessary for salvation.(CofE)
6. Methodist/ Wesleyan...Inspired and inerrant in original manuscripts, "and have been transmitted to the present without corruption of any essential doctrine." (WC)
7. Baptists... "written by men and divinely inspired. It has God for its author, salvation for its end, and truth, without any mixture of error, for its matter." (SBC) "the final authority and trustworthy for faith and practice." (ABC) Inspired by God, written by humans (MB)

“Good day to you!”

Since: Oct 08

Earth

#20101 Feb 12, 2013
Dana Robertson wrote:
<quoted text>
I was born and raised LDS also. Left when I was 33 when I became a born again Christian. The problems for Mormons with me is that they can't double talk like No Surprise does, or lie, because I know from first hand experience their arguments, and how they will lie if they think they are talking to someone who doesn't have full knowledge. And lie they will to deceive people about the true teachings of the church. You can see how they will even lie to themselves.
They are only fooling themselves.
lol...and that comes from an ex-mo that was as proficient in lying as those he claims lie today. And you lied as a liar for thirty-three years! You lied to lie and you lied to deceive. And you lied to yourself for 33 years. Do you realise how much of an out right liar you're claiming you were for 33 years? And you want people to think that you just quit lying over night? Right lol.

sportxmouse

“Duty is a Privilege!”

Since: Sep 12

Location hidden

#20103 Feb 12, 2013
No Surprise wrote:
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....

Unfortunately for you, you have to contest with Jewish history, not Christian history, not my opinion and not your opinion concerning polygamy.
....
I absolutely agree with No Surprise's statement above.

That is the intellectual difference between an open mind and a closed mind.

-An open mind takes ABSOLUTELY all the evidence that is O.R.I.G.I.N.A.L. from that S.O.U.R.C.E. and analyzes the data.

-A closed mind says I'm right your wrong, that's all there is to it. Then just listens to one version, one side.

******
******

The point is that just because someone doesn't like the way Jesus set up his Church or his plan doesn't mean that you (or ANY individual) has the right to pick through it and choose what to accept or not.

Or, YOU create another SECT if you push it... GET IT?

Do you think Jesus wanted to go through what he did for the pleasure of it?

- I DON'T... I believe he didn't Sacrifice himself and endure being crucified for the pleasure of it.

-I believe he did it WILLINGLY because it needed to be done and he CHOSE to accepted his CALLING because that was the plan and that was his DUTY.

******

Now, I don't care what you choose to believe because it's your right/choice to believe and practice whatever you wish...

In Fact,(now I'm speaking about the LSD Church) The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints teaches that
“We claim the privilege of worshiping Almighty God according to the dictates of our own conscience, and allow all men the same privilege, let them worship how, where, or what they may.
Father overtime

Salt Lake City, UT

#20104 Feb 12, 2013
Bible thumpers aren't Christian. The bible tells me so.

Bible thumpers pretend to understand but deny truth. The bible tells us so.
concerned in Eygpt

Aberdeen, UK

#20105 Feb 12, 2013
No Surprise wrote:
<quoted text>
You wish to believe polygamy is wicked, evil and not of God. That's fine as opinions go.
Unfortunately for you, you have to contest with Jewish history, not Christian history, not my opinion and not your opinion concerning polygamy.
For as far back as the third great grandson of Cain polygamy existed. It's existed as long as monogamy has existed. It existed before the flood and it came to exist after the flood.
And Moses, a prophet and leader of the 12 tribes of Israel from the influence of the Spirit of God gave commands for the people to follow, including laws regulating polygamy.
Hate it or accept it existed is your choice.
15If a man has two wives, and he loves one but not the other, and both bear him sons but the firstborn is the son of the wife he does not love, 16when he wills his property to his sons, he must not give the rights of the firstborn to the son of the wife he loves in preference to his actual firstborn, the son of the wife he does not love. 17He must acknowledge the son of his unloved wife as the firstborn by giving him a double share of all he has. That son is the first sign of his father’s strength. The right of the firstborn belongs to him.—Deuteronomy 21:15-17 (NIV)
I don't contend with Jewish history as it was sinful and shameful and they violated God's law more than they kept it.

That is my point if we are to say the because teh Jews did it thus its ok well murder idolatry polygamy stealing rape are all ok.

No I contend with God's word not Jewish history.
concerned in Eygpt

Aberdeen, UK

#20106 Feb 12, 2013
No Surprise wrote:
<quoted text>
You posted references. You didn't post information to read. You didn't post actual statements from those references because you haven't read the information yourself.
You said first hand accounts of Smith having sex existed. You either show your evidence or prove yourself to be nothing but hot air.
Fricking child...lol.
Yes I have shown the evidence its only 3 pages back.

Have a nice day dumb dumb

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