Who says Mormons aren't Christians?

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“Too much LDS in the 60's”

Since: Sep 10

Marysville, CA

#19210 Dec 5, 2012
Sambrotherofnephi wrote:
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How would you describe the nature of God?
His nature is loving, just, kind, merciful, and forgiving.

“Too much LDS in the 60's”

Since: Sep 10

Marysville, CA

#19211 Dec 5, 2012
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buckwheat

Tulsa, OK

#19212 Dec 5, 2012
What I want to know is who called that christian a piccolo player?

Since: May 10

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#19213 Dec 5, 2012
Dana Robertson wrote:
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Well, I do.
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You're right, it is a real religion, but a false Gospel of Jesus Christ. A poor counterfeit of what Jesus taught and created.
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That is just childish nitpicking. The land was the same, no matter what they called it. It was Utah they moved to.
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No, they were forced out of the U.S. because of their murdering and stealing. They were also forced to move because they tried to dominate the areas they lived in. Played cheap games with the politics, and made non-members hate them. They were SOB's. Self centered SOB's, lead by one of the most corrupt people in America, Joseph Smith. Religious beliefs had nothing to do with it, unless you consider whoring, murdering, and stealing, a religious belief. I know the muslims do.
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Quite like nothing the early church did. The early church never left civilization and set up their own territory. The early church never taught it was OK to steal from their neighbors.They early church never taught it was OK to marry other men's wives. The early church never taught a perversion of marriage, in fact it taught against it. So, it was nothing like what the early church did.
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Yet after they settled in Utah, anybody wanting to leave was killed. The LDS church became a religious dictatorship.
It is more than apparent that you do not. Your fictitious description of LDS history is not at all rooted in fact.

You've spent so much time with your fellow anti-Mormons that you've come up with quite a story to tell! It sounds as if it were handed down directly from the Carthage Mob that murdered Joseph Smith while he was supposedly in the custody and care of the State of Illinois.

Here's some info on the real history of the Church, which you know good and well:

http://history.lds.org/...

“Too much LDS in the 60's”

Since: Sep 10

Marysville, CA

#19214 Dec 5, 2012
Cary L Nickel wrote:
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It is more than apparent that you do not. Your fictitious description of LDS history is not at all rooted in fact.
You've spent so much time with your fellow anti-Mormons that you've come up with quite a story to tell! It sounds as if it were handed down directly from the Carthage Mob that murdered Joseph Smith while he was supposedly in the custody and care of the State of Illinois.
Here's some info on the real history of the Church, which you know good and well:
http://history.lds.org/...
Now who is biased? That's funny.

“Too much LDS in the 60's”

Since: Sep 10

Marysville, CA

#19215 Dec 5, 2012
It looks like Sam I am, who eats Joseph Smith's green eggs, and ham, has left the building.

“Too much LDS in the 60's”

Since: Sep 10

Marysville, CA

#19216 Dec 5, 2012
Hey Cary, Islam is the one true faith. How do I know? Muslims say so. That sir, is your logic. I trust an LDS web site on it's history like you trust those Muslims.

Since: May 10

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#19219 Dec 6, 2012
Dana Robertson wrote:
Hey Cary, Islam is the one true faith. How do I know? Muslims say so. That sir, is your logic. I trust an LDS web site on it's history like you trust those Muslims.
I actually do trust Muslims...to be Muslims. And Muslims have every right to be Muslims, as long as they don't force their faith upon me in some "jihad", because if they try, I'm going to be firing from the other side of the barricade.

Just as I trust "anti-Mormons" to be "anti-Mormons".

You, however, have the jaded, angry, bitter, and contrary attitude of the average "ex-Mormon" who spend the rest of their lives trying to convince themselves that they made the right choice by leaving the Church, while attempting to take others down with them.

Misery loves company, and there is no better example of that than the average anti-LDS gathering, whether it be in person, or on the internet.

It's quite a hoot to read the wildly accusatory and nonsensical writings of a bunch of people of every religious (and non-religious) stripe, from atheists, to satanists, to wiccans, to "born again" evangelicals, to people who now have really no spiritual direction at all, but who all come together as a "united" group with one purpose in mind..to bash their "former" faith. Why, they will blame Mormonism for everything from bad breath to spiritual death!

(Hey, maybe it's Mormons who are causing global warming with all that singing on Sunday!)

Try and get a group like that together without a common enemy. Negativity has a way of crossing all boundaries and bringing people together..but I ain't saying that's a good thing.

Yet all the while, the church continues to thrive and grow, and it's members continue to happily worship they way the choose, just as the precepts of this great nation have allowed since it's founding.

So yes, I'll trust the Church history website over you, because it's put together by professional historians who put their reputations on the line every time they present their narrative to the general public.

On the other hand, the average bitter ex-Mormon's only real purpose, by presenting their former church in as negative a light as they possibly can, regardless of truth, is to alleviate the pain and doubt they feel in their own wounded souls.

Since: May 10

Location hidden

#19220 Dec 6, 2012
Dana Robertson wrote:
It looks like Sam I am, who eats Joseph Smith's green eggs, and ham, has left the building.
As have my favorite anti-Mormon gay rights activists..Haw Haw and NoMo. Who, interestingly, appear to have disappeared at nearly the same time.

Must be "Holiday Vacation Time" at the Gay Liberation Front.

“Too much LDS in the 60's”

Since: Sep 10

Marysville, CA

#19221 Dec 6, 2012
Cary L Nickel wrote:
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I actually do trust Muslims...to be Muslims. And Muslims have every right to be Muslims, as long as they don't force their faith upon me in some "jihad", because if they try, I'm going to be firing from the other side of the barricade.
Did the point go over your head? Apparently so.
Just as I trust "anti-Mormons" to be "anti-Mormons".
You, however, have the jaded, angry, bitter, and contrary attitude of the average "ex-Mormon" who spend the rest of their lives trying to convince themselves that they made the right choice by leaving the Church, while attempting to take others down with them.
Misery loves company, and there is no better example of that than the average anti-LDS gathering, whether it be in person, or on the internet.
Misery cause by being Mormon. If we are "jaded, angry, bitter," it is because the LDS church made us that way. That and the fact we have a lifetime of lies and deception by your faith also contributes. You refuse to see the misery Mormon has cause many, because like the Muslims, we can expect you to act like a Mormon, when it comes to truth. To the Muslim extremists, Islam can do no wrong. To you, the Mormon church can do no wrong. Though it has many, many, times in it's history. A miserable person certainly knows the source of their misery, and who to thank. And yes, I'll will do what it takes to help others see the light of truth concerning the LDS church and hopefully help some escape, or better yet, stop them before they join and make one of the biggest mistakes of theirs lives.
It's quite a hoot to read the wildly accusatory and nonsensical writings of a bunch of people of every religious (and non-religious) stripe, from atheists, to satanists, to wiccans, to "born again" evangelicals, to people who now have really no spiritual direction at all, but who all come together as a "united" group with one purpose in mind..to bash their "former" faith. Why, they will blame Mormonism for everything from bad breath to spiritual death!
Never seen anyone blame the LDS church for bad breath. But all those people willing to come together on the subject of Mormonism is an indicator how awful and disgusting the LDS church. It sucks the soul dry, and gives nothing in return.
(Hey, maybe it's Mormons who are causing global warming with all that singing on Sunday!)
Try and get a group like that together without a common enemy. Negativity has a way of crossing all boundaries and bringing people together..but I ain't saying that's a good thing.
Yet all the while, the church continues to thrive and grow, and it's members continue to happily worship they way the choose, just as the precepts of this great nation have allowed since it's founding.
If a .02% growth is thriving to you, by all means, thrive.
So yes, I'll trust the Church history website over you, because it's put together by professional historians who put their reputations on the line every time they present their narrative to the general public.
And have been demonstrated over an over the lengths they will go like dogs to support their masters in Salt Lake City. Hugh Nibley has been shown that you can't believe one footnote he has made in his studies because he would make them up out of thin air. And you lie when you say you trust church historians because I have quoted church historians who have shown that the Book of Mormon was created by the imagination of Joseph Smith and that there is no such animal as Book of Mormon archaeology. It's a myth, pure and simple. So don't lie about that either. You are a baby fly who mother has to chew your food and spit it up before you can eat it. Willful ignorance is the only way you can stay in your faith. You demonstrate that by your fear of the truth that isn't church approved.

And yes, we are all out to get you! HAHAHAHAHA!!!!

“Too much LDS in the 60's”

Since: Sep 10

Marysville, CA

#19222 Dec 6, 2012
Cary L Nickel wrote:
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As have my favorite anti-Mormon gay rights activists..Haw Haw and NoMo. Who, interestingly, appear to have disappeared at nearly the same time.
Must be "Holiday Vacation Time" at the Gay Liberation Front.
No, they are busy saving gay LDS teens from the church. Hoping to prevent another death.

“Too much LDS in the 60's”

Since: Sep 10

Marysville, CA

#19223 Dec 6, 2012
Some people are dying to get out of Mormonism.

Since: May 10

Location hidden

#19224 Dec 6, 2012
Dana Robertson wrote:
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Did the point go over your head? Apparently so.
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Misery cause by being Mormon. If we are "jaded, angry, bitter," it is because the LDS church made us that way. That and the fact we have a lifetime of lies and deception by your faith also contributes. You refuse to see the misery Mormon has cause many, because like the Muslims, we can expect you to act like a Mormon, when it comes to truth. To the Muslim extremists, Islam can do no wrong. To you, the Mormon church can do no wrong. Though it has many, many, times in it's history. A miserable person certainly knows the source of their misery, and who to thank. And yes, I'll will do what it takes to help others see the light of truth concerning the LDS church and hopefully help some escape, or better yet, stop them before they join and make one of the biggest mistakes of theirs lives.
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Never seen anyone blame the LDS church for bad breath. But all those people willing to come together on the subject of Mormonism is an indicator how awful and disgusting the LDS church. It sucks the soul dry, and gives nothing in return.
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If a .02% growth is thriving to you, by all means, thrive.
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And have been demonstrated over an over the lengths they will go like dogs to support their masters in Salt Lake City. Hugh Nibley has been shown that you can't believe one footnote he has made in his studies because he would make them up out of thin air. And you lie when you say you trust church historians because I have quoted church historians who have shown that the Book of Mormon was created by the imagination of Joseph Smith and that there is no such animal as Book of Mormon archaeology. It's a myth, pure and simple. So don't lie about that either. You are a baby fly who mother has to chew your food and spit it up before you can eat it. Willful ignorance is the only way you can stay in your faith. You demonstrate that by your fear of the truth that isn't church approved.
And yes, we are all out to get you! HAHAHAHAHA!!!!
The Mormon church didn't "make" you anything, unless you were weak minded and weak willed to begin with, and are easily swayed by whatever blows in the wind.

Every person is their own creation. Every person has free will to choose whether they are jaded, angry, or bitter.

Most people don't allow anger or bitterness to control everything they do or say in life. Those who do need mental help.

What is certain is that the Gospel of Jesus Christ, as taught by the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, is not the cause of your anger and bitterness. The Gospel of Jesus Christ, as taught by the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, is pure, good, and uplifting to both body and spirit.

Whatever causes your unrest is a creation of your own mind, and resides entirely within you.

Since: May 10

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#19226 Dec 6, 2012
Dana Robertson wrote:
Some people are dying to get out of Mormonism.
There you go again, looking to blame the LDS Church for the world's problems.

Your statement perfectly displays the simplistic attitude anti-Mormons take regarding serious issues that transcend race, religion, or age.

The high rate of suicide among teens is nationwide, and across all social and economic levels, and has absolutely nothing to do with any particular religion.

It would appear we've discovered another issue where your attitude is at odds with the teachings of your church:

http://web.salvationarmy.org/ihq/www_sa.nsf/2... $file/suicide%20prevention.pdf

Since: Sep 12

Location hidden

#19227 Dec 6, 2012
Dana Robertson wrote:
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But the first version, written in Smith's own hand, say nothing about seeing God<quoted text>
See http://en.fairmormon.org/Joseph_Smith%27s_Fir...

Basically, in his introduction, he says he first received the testimony from on high, referring to the testimony of God the Father that Jesus Christ is His son or "This is My Beloved Son. Hear Him!" This is consistent with later 1838 version of the History of Joseph Smith.

That sums it up.

Since: Sep 12

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#19228 Dec 6, 2012
Dana Robertson wrote:
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The problem being is that no man has ever seen God. Jesus tells us that:
John 1:18
No one has seen God at any time; the only begotten God who is in the bosom of the Father, He has explained Him.
Is Jesus lying? Every time there is an appearance of God in the Old Testament, it has been an appearance of Jesus Christ, who represent God.
What about Stephen who saw Jesus standing on the right hand of God?

Since: Sep 12

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#19229 Dec 6, 2012
Dana Robertson wrote:
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Two long post by you, and all I see is a testimony of Joseph Smith. I thought the church was suppose to be the "Church of Jesus Christ?" I can tell you that if those people who you claimed to have had new revelations had the whole story and truth of Joseph Smith, they would think you're nuts. They would certainly reject any claims of his prophethood. I bare you my testimony of that? We haven't heard one word of what Jesus done for you. Has he done anything for you?
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That would be nice, exept Christ's church has never left, as he promised:
Matthew 16:18
I also say to you that you are Peter, and upon this rock I will build My church; and the gates of Hades will not overpower it.
You are calling Jesus a liar when you say his church had to be restored. It has never left. My Jesus doesn't lie, and he doesn't make mistakes.
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After being a member of the LDS church for 33 years, one of the greatest joys in my life was learning that I could have had Christ all along and never even have heard of Joseph Smith to have him.
You don't need Joseph when you have Jesus. Stop putting your faith in the arm of the flesh.
If Christ's church never left the earth, was it Christ's church that sold salvation for money with indulgences, or proclaims that baptism is necessary for salvation or that is not necessary for salvation, or is it Christ's church the one that pays ministers to teach a gospel that was freely given? Which church is Christ's church? They can not all be 100% right. They can not all represent the will of God.

Since: Sep 12

Location hidden

#19230 Dec 6, 2012
Dana Robertson wrote:
It looks like Sam I am, who eats Joseph Smith's green eggs, and ham, has left the building.
Sam I am who loves green eggs and ham
Likes to help people to understand
That Mormonism isn't so far-fetched as it seems
and Mormons want show how Christ beams
In these latter days he still speaks
He doesn't just give us little peaks
He wants to show us his whole plan
Because Christ surely wants us to understand
The more we know, the more we'll do
The gospel isn't just for you
If you really do believe
You'll want to share it for all to see.

Since: Sep 12

Location hidden

#19231 Dec 6, 2012
Dana Robertson wrote:
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Two long post by you, and all I see is a testimony of Joseph Smith. I thought the church was suppose to be the "Church of Jesus Christ?" I can tell you that if those people who you claimed to have had new revelations had the whole story and truth of Joseph Smith, they would think you're nuts. They would certainly reject any claims of his prophethood. I bare you my testimony of that? We haven't heard one word of what Jesus done for you. Has he done anything for you?
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That would be nice, exept Christ's church has never left, as he promised:
Matthew 16:18
I also say to you that you are Peter, and upon this rock I will build My church; and the gates of Hades will not overpower it.
You are calling Jesus a liar when you say his church had to be restored. It has never left. My Jesus doesn't lie, and he doesn't make mistakes.
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After being a member of the LDS church for 33 years, one of the greatest joys in my life was learning that I could have had Christ all along and never even have heard of Joseph Smith to have him.
You don't need Joseph when you have Jesus. Stop putting your faith in the arm of the flesh.
Joseph Smith is a revealor and mouth peace for Christ. That is why he is significant. Giving us a prophet in our time is what Christ has done for me. A prophet is a manifestation of God's love, it shows that he cares.

Yes, God saves, we are saved by His grace and His love. I don't trust "in the arm of my flesh." I know that I can't save myself. There is absolutely nothing I can do by myself to get myself into Heaven. There is nothing any stand-alone organization can do to get me into heaven. Only God can give eternal life.

Since: Feb 12

Location hidden

#19233 Dec 6, 2012
Dana Robertson wrote:
Some people are dying to get out of Mormonism.
And being stalked and followed when they do.

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