Who says Mormons aren't Christians?

Who says Mormons aren't Christians?

There are 32007 comments on the CNN story from Oct 12, 2011, titled Who says Mormons aren't Christians?. In it, CNN reports that:

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#19080 Nov 26, 2012
Haw Haw wrote:
<quoted text>Thanks for that wonderful addition to my E-MoLibrary (or is it Mo-ELibrary?). It goes right beside the PDF of the 2010 edition of the Super Secret Bishop's Book of Instruction that Dana shared with me back then.

Thanks to both of you!! I'll have to make use of this when I answer the next PopUp Ad that encourages me to speak Online with an E-Mishie!(or is it IM-Mishie? Mish-IM-Mie? MissionIMie? IM-Mishie?)
Hahaha...u know who wrote that? David Twede..the one they were going to ex communicate because he wrote an article about Willard and the church:)
Haw Haw

Chicago, IL

#19081 Nov 26, 2012
NoMo wrote:
<quoted text>
Hahaha...u know who wrote that? David Twede..the one they were going to ex communicate because he wrote an article about Willard and the church:)
Yeah, A Paisley Perestroika is Twede's blog. I've been there before. He resigned at the Ex-Mo General Conference live during his Open Mike session. There was an audio recording of it someplace, but I no longer have the link... Maybe they have the video by now at the Ex-Mo foundation site.

“Good day to you!”

Since: Oct 08

Earth

#19082 Nov 27, 2012
Haw Haw wrote:
<quoted text>
I call BS on your BS. Again, I've pointed to numerous videos and testimony of persons who have gone through this as recently as 2006. And there will be more who come forth and say it happened more recently, I fear.
The difference between you and I and what we write, is you'll believe anything any one has to say that fits your present agenda of thinking for what you write. I on the other hand will do research to see the views from both sides and see what parts both sides agree upon and disagree upon before I formulate an opinion.
The Mormon church use to have direct ties to SRT. But it backed out of those ties. Members are connected now but not the church itself as once was.
Next, some Utah laws concerning the use of electrotherapy treatment. Due note these amendments to Utah law were made in 2003.

2003 GENERAL SESSION

5 STATE OF UTAH

Sponsor: Katherine M. Bryson
This act amends the Local Mental Health Authority Act and the Substance Abuse and Mental Health Act. The act applies to physicians, hospitals, and mental health facilities.
The act prohibits the use of electroconvulsive treatment on children younger that 14 years old.
The act requires approval by a panel of physicians before administering [ electric shock ] ELECTROCONVULSIVE h treatment on a child between 14 and 18 years of age.
The act requires informed consent for the use of electroconvulsive treatment on adults.
The act establishes the elements of informed consent.
The act prohibits anyone other than a physician from performing electroconvulsive treatment.
The act requires quarterly reporting of electroconvulsive treatment to the division and the Health Data Committee in the Department of Health.
The act requires the division to enforce the reporting
requirements and annually report statistical data regarding the use of electroconvulsive treatment to the governor and the Legislature. The act has an effective date of July 1, 2003.
The reporting requirements sunset in 2008.
This act affects sections of Utah Code Annotated 1953 as follows:
AMENDS: 17A-3-611, as renumbered and amended by Chapter 186, Laws of Utah 1990 62A-15-704, as renumbered and amended by Chapter 8, Laws of Utah 2002, Fifth Special Session ENACTS:

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#19083 Nov 27, 2012
Haw Haw wrote:
<quoted text>
Hey, funny you should post to me today. Based on our conversations the past couple of weeks regarding extremists, I'll have to tell you what ate at me briefly today at work as I was doing some pattern matching in a raw dataset I was given to munge through. I am wont to use what's called a Soundex function or algorithm quite a bit to find close matches between place names, person names, town names, and so forth to find and correct common spelling errors in the massive amount of data my company receives and processes every day ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soundex ). And so the wheels were turning...
Cary L Nickel.... Cary L Nickel.... Cary L Nickel....
Hmmmm...
Thinking about your latest Michigan Militia-esque rantings on here your name sounds familiar....
Cary... Carry... Cerry... Terry!!
Nickel... Nickels... Nichels... Nichols!!
Let's see: what was his middle name... According to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terry_Nichols it is... wait for it... LYNN!!
Eureka!! That's it!!! Cary L Nickel... Terry L. Nichols!!!
The Soundex scores of those two names are simply off the charts.
Coincidence?
Not in my line of work.
It is no surprise a leftist such as yourself equates liberty with something "militia-esque".

Sounds like your "work" is poppycock. But hey, if someone is willing to pay you for screwing around with the names of folks who use debate forums, more power to you! Milk it as long as you can!
Haw Haw

Chicago, IL

#19084 Nov 27, 2012
Cary L Nickel wrote:
<quoted text>
It is no surprise a leftist such as yourself equates liberty with something "militia-esque".
Sounds like your "work" is poppycock. But hey, if someone is willing to pay you for screwing around with the names of folks who use debate forums, more power to you! Milk it as long as you can!
Thanks, Brother Terry, I certainly will.
Haw Haw

Chicago, IL

#19085 Nov 27, 2012
No Surprise wrote:
<quoted text>
The difference between you and I and what we write, is you'll believe anything any one has to say that fits your present agenda of thinking for what you write. I on the other hand will do research to see the views from both sides and see what parts both sides agree upon and disagree upon before I formulate an opinion.
The Mormon church use to have direct ties to SRT. But it backed out of those ties. Members are connected now but not the church itself as once was.
Next, some Utah laws concerning the use of electrotherapy treatment. Due note these amendments to Utah law were made in 2003.
2003 GENERAL SESSION
5 STATE OF UTAH
Sponsor: Katherine M. Bryson
This act amends the Local Mental Health Authority Act and the Substance Abuse and Mental Health Act. The act applies to physicians, hospitals, and mental health facilities.
The act prohibits the use of electroconvulsive treatment on children younger that 14 years old.
The act requires approval by a panel of physicians before administering [ electric shock ] ELECTROCONVULSIVE h treatment on a child between 14 and 18 years of age.
The act requires informed consent for the use of electroconvulsive treatment on adults.
The act establishes the elements of informed consent.
The act prohibits anyone other than a physician from performing electroconvulsive treatment.
The act requires quarterly reporting of electroconvulsive treatment to the division and the Health Data Committee in the Department of Health.
The act requires the division to enforce the reporting
requirements and annually report statistical data regarding the use of electroconvulsive treatment to the governor and the Legislature. The act has an effective date of July 1, 2003.
The reporting requirements sunset in 2008.
This act affects sections of Utah Code Annotated 1953 as follows:
AMENDS: 17A-3-611, as renumbered and amended by Chapter 186, Laws of Utah 1990 62A-15-704, as renumbered and amended by Chapter 8, Laws of Utah 2002, Fifth Special Session ENACTS:
Well, even though I said I wouldn't answer to your runny BS, you're so craptastic with this last post I can't just flush it down the toilet this time without saying something.

1) Utah is a theocracy, so what's to prevent the Cult in Charge from doing what they damn well please in spite of the laws that they themselves indirectly make anyway?

2) Putting electricity through the genitals, along with administration of ipecac to induce vomiting, together with the administration of these negative reinforcements while showing gay pornography, followed by the withholding of said negative reinforcements while showing heterosexual pornography, is rather commonly known as aversion therapy. It is not known as nor is the same as electroconvulsive therapy, whereby the electrodes are placed on the head and shocks are administered to the brain, inducing convulsions in the patient. Thus your waste of space quoting the law you just did, does not even apply to the therapies in discussion.

Typical Mo diversion. Hey, another news flash for ya, mister. When you make a half-assed effort to gather information, ostensibly to "research" something, but only consider and report information that supports your predetermined conclusion, it's known as confirmation bias, silly. You always come out kicking and screaming for the cult. And the way you club people on here with your slanted commentary, you pepper it generously with a heavy dose of ad hominem.

Bye for now. Back to work for another day of pattern matching... You know, what your friend Terry calls poppycock.
dognes

Pittsburgh, PA

#19087 Nov 27, 2012
youtube.com/watch...
The Rev. Robert Jeffress, a leading evangelical minister, claimed last Friday that Mormons are not Christians. Jeffress went on to declare that Mormonism is "a cult," meaning it's not a "real" religion, and he implored his followers to reject Mitt Romney, a Mormon, as a candidate for president because as Jeffress sees it: "As Christians, we have the duty to prefer and select Christians as our leaders."

Jeffress is infamous for his past "Christian" comments such as: Jews, gays, Muslims and Mormons are all going to hell; Islam encourages pedophilia; and that gays should be banned from the military because 70% of the gay population has AIDS.

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#19088 Nov 27, 2012
dognes wrote:
youtube.com/watch?v=gbFa91vDc2 4&feature=plcp
The Rev. Robert Jeffress, a leading evangelical minister, claimed last Friday that Mormons are not Christians. Jeffress went on to declare that Mormonism is "a cult," meaning it's not a "real" religion, and he implored his followers to reject Mitt Romney, a Mormon, as a candidate for president because as Jeffress sees it: "As Christians, we have the duty to prefer and select Christians as our leaders."
Jeffress is infamous for his past "Christian" comments such as: Jews, gays, Muslims and Mormons are all going to hell; Islam encourages pedophilia; and that gays should be banned from the military because 70% of the gay population has AIDS.
Sounds like Haw Haw's and NoMo's kind of feller!

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#19089 Nov 27, 2012
Cary L Nickel wrote:
<quoted text>Sounds like Haw Haw's and NoMo's kind of feller!
Oh Terry, u made a funny. How's prison?

“I will not keep calm”

Since: Mar 08

Raise hell...change the world

#19090 Nov 27, 2012
Haw Haw wrote:
<quoted text>
Hey, funny you should post to me today. Based on our conversations the past couple of weeks regarding extremists, I'll have to tell you what ate at me briefly today at work as I was doing some pattern matching in a raw dataset I was given to munge through. I am wont to use what's called a Soundex function or algorithm quite a bit to find close matches between place names, person names, town names, and so forth to find and correct common spelling errors in the massive amount of data my company receives and processes every day ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soundex ). And so the wheels were turning...
Cary L Nickel.... Cary L Nickel.... Cary L Nickel....
Hmmmm...
Thinking about your latest Michigan Militia-esque rantings on here your name sounds familiar....
Cary... Carry... Cerry... Terry!!
Nickel... Nickels... Nichels... Nichols!!
Let's see: what was his middle name... According to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terry_Nichols it is... wait for it... LYNN!!
Eureka!! That's it!!! Cary L Nickel... Terry L. Nichols!!!
The Soundex scores of those two names are simply off the charts.
Coincidence?
Not in my line of work.
so whats my name ? Just curious as to what you come up with :)
Haw Haw

Chicago, IL

#19091 Nov 27, 2012
not ashamed wrote:
<quoted text> so whats my name ? Just curious as to what you come up with :)
Well as Not Ashamed is not a proper name, and you've never shared your real name (or even a false proper name) around here, I can't quite do you the same Soundex justice I just did for Terry L. Nichols.

And besides, with all his post-election weeping and wailing around here, you have to admit, it fit him like a glove.
Haw Haw

Chicago, IL

#19092 Nov 27, 2012
NoMo wrote:
<quoted text>
Oh Terry, u made a funny. How's prison?
Gee, It totally slipped my mind to laugh at that one. Truly I've stopped to change tires that were less flat.

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#19093 Nov 27, 2012
Haw Haw wrote:
<quoted text>Gee, It totally slipped my mind to laugh at that one. Truly I've stopped to change tires that were less flat.
He's in there with no prize(Ted)..funny how the domestic terrorists are loving the Mormons, isn't it? I remember Terry saying Porter Rockwell was his hero.

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#19094 Nov 27, 2012
not ashamed wrote:
<quoted text> so whats my name ? Just curious as to what you come up with :)
Why do u support a religious cult that systematically causes harm to your "homosexual friends? It's a question u seem to avoid at all costs.

Oh...
And how do u reconcile this in ur head?
Haw Haw

Chicago, IL

#19095 Nov 27, 2012
HAW HAW HAW HAW HAW HAW HAW HAW!!!

ROFLMAO!!!

OMG this is soooo funny....

http://mormon.org/me/1gpp

Granted, I didn't last through the first 4 paragraphs before I had to stop.

Since: Oct 08

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#19096 Nov 27, 2012
Haw Haw wrote:
HAW HAW HAW HAW HAW HAW HAW HAW!!!
ROFLMAO!!!
OMG this is soooo funny....
http://mormon.org/me/1gpp
Granted, I didn't last through the first 4 paragraphs before I had to stop.
"It's tax deductible! LOL"
This one is a riot and a therapist.

http://gawker.com/5917022/

“Good day to you!”

Since: Oct 08

Earth

#19097 Nov 27, 2012
Haw Haw wrote:
1) Utah is a theocracy, so what's to prevent the Cult in Charge from doing what they damn well please in spite of the laws that they themselves indirectly make anyway?
2) Putting electricity through the genitals, along with administration of ipecac to induce vomiting, together with the administration of these negative reinforcements while showing gay pornography, followed by the withholding of said negative reinforcements while showing heterosexual pornography, is rather commonly known as aversion therapy. It is not known as nor is the same as electroconvulsive therapy, whereby the electrodes are placed on the head and shocks are administered to the brain, inducing convulsions in the patient. Thus your waste of space quoting the law you just did, does not even apply to the therapies in discussion.
Typical Mo diversion. Hey, another news flash for ya, mister. When you make a half-assed effort to gather information, ostensibly to "research" something, but only consider and report information that supports your predetermined conclusion, it's known as confirmation bias, silly. You always come out kicking and screaming for the cult. And the way you club people on here with your slanted commentary, you pepper it generously with a heavy dose of ad hominem.
Bye for now. Back to work for another day of pattern matching... You know, what your friend Terry calls poppycock.
Pattern matching, no wonder you let it out in these threads as a release from such a boring job.
1) The Catholic church did as you stated for who knows how long, breaking the law in spite of laws against what was being done. And they finally got busted big time. The LDS church in the last century has been about following the laws of the land, not breaking them. So the likely hood this church would do something to cause it's own demise by breaking laws it'd be found guilty of breaking is unlikely.
2) You speak of a couple wires to the genitals? they use to use electroshock therapy to help a person believe they weren't attracted to the same sex! Wires to the nuts would have been an option of relief to having your brain fried I would think.
Next, I don't agree with conversion therapy where aids are used to promote physical/mental pain and anguish. And anyone that's an adult that would subject themselves to such practices should really have their head examined.
See, you're missing an important element to this conversation. What's done to a minor who is sent by parents for conversion therapy is wrong. It's wrong because the parents want the conversion therapy and not necessarily the minor.
But what you're missing is most patients that go to these clinics, they are doing it of their own free will for whatever their reason is. Get it? The adults go because they want to change their sexual orientation for some purpose, rational or irrational.
So you can speak of what's done to minors as being wrong and I agree. But you can't speak for the adults that walk into these clinics and understanding what will take place, willingly subject themselves to that ordeal.

“Good day to you!”

Since: Oct 08

Earth

#19098 Nov 27, 2012
Haw Haw wrote:
HAW HAW HAW HAW HAW HAW HAW HAW!!!
ROFLMAO!!!
OMG this is soooo funny....
http://mormon.org/me/1gpp
Granted, I didn't last through the first 4 paragraphs before I had to stop.
To your sometimes sick and twisted thinking as manifested itself here, I see why you would find his challenges so fuuny.

Since: May 10

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#19100 Nov 28, 2012
No Surprise wrote:
<quoted text>
Pattern matching, no wonder you let it out in these threads as a release from such a boring job.
1) The Catholic church did as you stated for who knows how long, breaking the law in spite of laws against what was being done. And they finally got busted big time. The LDS church in the last century has been about following the laws of the land, not breaking them. So the likely hood this church would do something to cause it's own demise by breaking laws it'd be found guilty of breaking is unlikely.
2) You speak of a couple wires to the genitals? they use to use electroshock therapy to help a person believe they weren't attracted to the same sex! Wires to the nuts would have been an option of relief to having your brain fried I would think.
Next, I don't agree with conversion therapy where aids are used to promote physical/mental pain and anguish. And anyone that's an adult that would subject themselves to such practices should really have their head examined.
See, you're missing an important element to this conversation. What's done to a minor who is sent by parents for conversion therapy is wrong. It's wrong because the parents want the conversion therapy and not necessarily the minor.
But what you're missing is most patients that go to these clinics, they are doing it of their own free will for whatever their reason is. Get it? The adults go because they want to change their sexual orientation for some purpose, rational or irrational.
So you can speak of what's done to minors as being wrong and I agree. But you can't speak for the adults that walk into these clinics and understanding what will take place, willingly subject themselves to that ordeal.
And considering "Haw Haw"s conclusions from pattern matching, as evidenced from the result posted on this forum, what I've learned about the process is that it's utter BS. LOL!

Notice how neither of the prominent anti-LDS individuals disavowed the Rev. Robert Jeffres? They chose to divert instead? That's telling.

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#19101 Nov 28, 2012
NoMo wrote:
<quoted text>
Why do u support a religious cult that systematically causes harm to your "homosexual friends? It's a question u seem to avoid at all costs.
Oh...
And how do u reconcile this in ur head?
Since your assertions are based upon your lies, there is nothing for anyone to "avoid" or "reconcile".

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