Who says Mormons aren't Christians?

Who says Mormons aren't Christians?

There are 32007 comments on the CNN story from Oct 12, 2011, titled Who says Mormons aren't Christians?. In it, CNN reports that:

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#18016 Oct 28, 2012
LOLGOP ‏@LOLGOP

In a Mitt administration, disaster victims would have the relief of knowing the rich have tax breaks to keep them warm "

Romney: federal disaster relief is IMMORAL.

Yeah, Romney, you are immoral and disgusting.

“Too much LDS in the 60's”

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#18017 Oct 28, 2012
nili2 wrote:
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You are right, the common man probably could not get into politics. But could Jesus? As the son of God would he not have the power to "reform" the whole world? After all didn't many expect him to do so. The Jews knew from reading the prophets (Isaiah 9:6) that Jesus was to be king. However, what did Jesus say to Pilate? John 18:33-36
Jesus did say his true disciples would be no part of the world just as he wasn't. John 15:19
We are to imitate Christ in all things. That is what being Christian means. Jesus knew that no one could reform the world, only he could, as king of God's government. That is why we pray for God's Government in the Lord's prayer.("Let thy kingdom come")When he was on earth, it was not the place or time for Jesus to be King. However when he entered heaven after he was resurrected, he sat at the right hand of God, waiting for the time when God would make him king (Hebrews 10:12,13)
Also John, when speaking to his Christian brothers reveals why Christians should be no part of the world and why humans cannot change the world 1John 5:19
There is also 1John 2:15-17, John6:14,15
I had a JW talk to me about this one time. I asked him if he had a TV. He said yes. I asked him "why"? Because if anything is of the world, it's television. I have never seen a Watchtower TV station, so what programs you watch, are programs of the world, that you are inviting in. But the same can also be said of books(Not printed by the Watchtower of course), an education, radio, or any means of mass communication, like the computer your are using to post here. Christians can bring the teachings of Christ to the government. Through passing laws of mercy and grace. Working to bring a more Christlike society is not forbidden. The Watchtower tries to do so through it's missionary efforts. Many Christians, like myself, do so through working with the poor and homeless. A Godly politician can do so through passing laws to help the same. The evil one may control this world, I'll never deny that. But we, as Christians, have a duty to God to never stop trying to make a difference. What we do for the lest of God's children, we are doing it unto him.

Just because the evil one controls the world does not mean we are to ever stop trying, in all aspects of life. We are letting God down when we do so.

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#18018 Oct 28, 2012
Romney: shut down FEMA. Who needs them. Sandy who?

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#18019 Oct 28, 2012
LOLGOP &#8207;@LOLGOP

"Shut it down and send it back to the states" is a solution for a Senior trip gone wild--not health care, civil rights or disaster relief.

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#18020 Oct 28, 2012
OK, I agree, Romney doesn't know the difference between those things.

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#18021 Oct 28, 2012
"Mitt was certainly no profile in courage after Mourdock’s comment blew up. He didn’t take back his endorsement.

He hid from reporters on his plane, and even dodged his usual custom of giving a reporter a birthday hug. Instead, he broadcast a birthday message to her on the intercom from the safety of first class.

It shouldn’t be a surprise that many women support Romney, even though he has somersaulted on reproductive rights and his running mate sponsored a bill with Akin giving fertilized eggs the “legal and constitutional attributes and privileges of personhood.”

Just as it shouldn’t be surprising that Romney has the support of a huge swath of blue-collar white men, even though he’s on a mission to make the 1 percent 100 percent able to indulge in car elevators. "

Republiscum Women = Doormats

Republiscum in the 99%= Doormats

Romney/Ryan/Antichrist 2012. Counting on all you racist Doormats.

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#18022 Oct 28, 2012
OregonSUX wrote:
"A Desperate, Deceptive Gambit for Romney in Ohio
How desperate is Mitt Romney to win Ohio? Before you answer, pay attention to what he and his campaign have been saying about the auto industry in the last few days.
As you may have heard, Romney on Thursday scared the bejeezus out of Ohio autoworkers when, during a rally, he cited a story claiming that Chrysler was moving Jeep production to China.
Thousands of people work at a sprawling Jeep complex in Toledo and a nearby machining plant.
Many thousands more work for suppliers or have jobs otherwise dependent on the Jeep factories. It’s fair to say that they owe their jobs to President Obama, who in 2009 rescued Chrysler and General Motors from likely liquidation.
If Chrysler moved the plants overseas, most of those people would be out of work.
The story turns out to be wrong.
As Chrysler made clear the very next day, in a tartly worded blog post on the company website, officials have discussed opening plants in China in order to meet rising demand for vehicles there. They have no plans to downsize or shutter plants in the U.S.
On the contrary, Fiat, the Italian company that acquired Chrysler during the rescue, just spent $1.7 billion to expand Jeep production in the U.S. That includes $500 million to renovate and expand the Toledo facilities, with 1,000 new factory jobs likely to follow.
On Monday, about the same number of people will report for their first day of work in Detroit, when Chrysler adds a third shift to a Jeep plant it operates there." TNR
LOLGOP &#8207;@LOLGOP
I understand the urge to throw out polls you don't understand. But there isn't one poll that shows Mitt winning Ohio. So suckle on that.
Jeep Mulls Moving Manufacturing to China:

http://www.autoguide.com/auto-news/2012/10/je...

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#18023 Oct 28, 2012
On the eve of the election, Romney is investing....in CHINA.

He's moving auto parts manufacturers and 25,000 American jobs TO CHINA.

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#18024 Oct 29, 2012
OregonSUX wrote:
On the eve of the election, Romney is investing....in CHINA.
He's moving auto parts manufacturers and 25,000 American jobs TO CHINA.
On the eve of the election, Barack Obama is investing.....in MITT ROMNEY.

Obama's pension fund invests in Sheldon Adelson...and Sheldon Adelson has helped fund Mitt Romney's Presidential Campaign:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/10/18/obam...

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#18025 Oct 29, 2012
OregonSUX wrote:
"Mitt was certainly no profile in courage after Mourdock’s comment blew up. He didn’t take back his endorsement.
He hid from reporters on his plane, and even dodged his usual custom of giving a reporter a birthday hug. Instead, he broadcast a birthday message to her on the intercom from the safety of first class.
It shouldn’t be a surprise that many women support Romney, even though he has somersaulted on reproductive rights and his running mate sponsored a bill with Akin giving fertilized eggs the “legal and constitutional attributes and privileges of personhood.”
Just as it shouldn’t be surprising that Romney has the support of a huge swath of blue-collar white men, even though he’s on a mission to make the 1 percent 100 percent able to indulge in car elevators. "
Republiscum Women = Doormats
Republiscum in the 99%= Doormats
Romney/Ryan/Antichrist 2012. Counting on all you racist Doormats.
Being that over 50 percent of abortions performed kill female babies, and being that 100 percent of abortion complications occur to women, including complications that result in the woman's death, is it any wonder many women don't support abortion on demand?

Being that blue collar individuals, overall, support individual liberty, and the free market, at higher rates than some other classes, is it any wonder that they support candidates who reflect those views?

Being that 75 percent of bitterness and anger occurs in liberals and Democrats who don't understand liberty, such as, is it any wonder OregonSux can continue to post bitter and angry messages for people to laugh at on nearly a daily basis?

It is any wonder that some people are so stupid as to think there is a "first class" on a campaign plane?

“I will not keep calm”

Since: Mar 08

Raise hell...change the world

#18026 Oct 29, 2012
Cary L Nickel wrote:
<quoted text>
Being that over 50 percent of abortions performed kill female babies, and being that 100 percent of abortion complications occur to women, including complications that result in the woman's death, is it any wonder many women don't support abortion on demand?
Being that blue collar individuals, overall, support individual liberty, and the free market, at higher rates than some other classes, is it any wonder that they support candidates who reflect those views?
Being that 75 percent of bitterness and anger occurs in liberals and Democrats who don't understand liberty, such as, is it any wonder OregonSux can continue to post bitter and angry messages for people to laugh at on nearly a daily basis?
It is any wonder that some people are so stupid as to think there is a "first class" on a campaign plane?
well said.

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#18028 Oct 29, 2012
Dana Robertson wrote:
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I had a JW talk to me about this one time. I asked him if he had a TV. He said yes. I asked him "why"? Because if anything is of the world, it's television. I have never seen a Watchtower TV station, so what programs you watch, are programs of the world, that you are inviting in. But the same can also be said of books(Not printed by the Watchtower of course), an education, radio, or any means of mass communication, like the computer your are using to post here. Christians can bring the teachings of Christ to the government. Through passing laws of mercy and grace. Working to bring a more Christlike society is not forbidden. The Watchtower tries to do so through it's missionary efforts. Many Christians, like myself, do so through working with the poor and homeless. A Godly politician can do so through passing laws to help the same. The evil one may control this world, I'll never deny that. But we, as Christians, have a duty to God to never stop trying to make a difference. What we do for the lest of God's children, we are doing it unto him.
Just because the evil one controls the world does not mean we are to ever stop trying, in all aspects of life. We are letting God down when we do so.
You are so right, we as Christians have a duty towards our fellow humans, and you hit the nail on the head when you say we should work at bringing a more Christlike society. That is the mission of JW's. It is of tantamount importance, as a Christlike society will be the only one left on the earth in the near future, and those individuals who are not Christlike will be removed.

Proverbs 2:20-22
"That thou mayest walk in the way of good men, and keep the paths of the righteous.
For the upright shall dwell in the land, and the perfect shall remain in it.
But the wicked shall be cut off from the earth, and the transgressors shall be rooted out of it".(KJV)

Psalm 37:10-11
"For yet a little while, and the wicked shall not be: yea, thou shalt diligently consider his place, and it shall not be. But the meek shall inherit the earth; and shall delight themselves in the abundance of peace".(KJV)

Matthew 5:5
"Blessed are the meek: for they shall inherit the earth".(KJV)

Prophesy concerning Jesus, what he will do:

Isaiah 2:4
"And he shall judge among the nations, and shall rebuke many people: and they shall beat their swords into plowshares, and their spears into pruninghooks: nation shall not lift up sword against nation, neither shall they learn war any more".(KJV)

The kingdom we pray for in the Lord's prayer:

Isaiah 9:7
"Of the increase of his government and peace there shall be no end, upon the throne of David, and upon his kingdom, to order it, and to establish it with judgment and with justice from henceforth even for ever. The zeal of the Lord of hosts will perform this".(KJV)

This will not be thanks to any human government. Hence, getting overly involved with politics is like trying to save a ship that is going to sink.

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#18029 Oct 29, 2012
Cary L Nickel wrote:
<quoted text>Being that over 50 percent of abortions performed kill female babies, and being that 100 percent of abortion complications occur to women, including complications that result in the woman's death, is it any wonder many women don't support abortion on demand?

Being that blue collar individuals, overall, support individual liberty, and the free market, at higher rates than some other classes, is it any wonder that they support candidates who reflect those views?

Being that 75 percent of bitterness and anger occurs in liberals and Democrats who don't understand liberty, such as, is it any wonder OregonSux can continue to post bitter and angry messages for people to laugh at on nearly a daily basis?

It is any wonder that some people are so stupid as to think there is a "first class" on a campaign plane?
U prefer coat hangers?

Romney evades taxes thru a trust with the church..

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/mobileweb/2012/...

“Too much LDS in the 60's”

Since: Sep 10

Marysville, CA

#18030 Oct 29, 2012
nili2 wrote:
<quoted text>
You are so right, we as Christians have a duty towards our fellow humans, and you hit the nail on the head when you say we should work at bringing a more Christlike society. That is the mission of JW's. It is of tantamount importance, as a Christlike society will be the only one left on the earth in the near future, and those individuals who are not Christlike will be removed.
Proverbs 2:20-22
"That thou mayest walk in the way of good men, and keep the paths of the righteous.
For the upright shall dwell in the land, and the perfect shall remain in it.
But the wicked shall be cut off from the earth, and the transgressors shall be rooted out of it".(KJV)
Psalm 37:10-11
"For yet a little while, and the wicked shall not be: yea, thou shalt diligently consider his place, and it shall not be. But the meek shall inherit the earth; and shall delight themselves in the abundance of peace".(KJV)
Matthew 5:5
"Blessed are the meek: for they shall inherit the earth".(KJV)
Prophesy concerning Jesus, what he will do:
Isaiah 2:4
"And he shall judge among the nations, and shall rebuke many people: and they shall beat their swords into plowshares, and their spears into pruninghooks: nation shall not lift up sword against nation, neither shall they learn war any more".(KJV)
The kingdom we pray for in the Lord's prayer:
Isaiah 9:7
"Of the increase of his government and peace there shall be no end, upon the throne of David, and upon his kingdom, to order it, and to establish it with judgment and with justice from henceforth even for ever. The zeal of the Lord of hosts will perform this".(KJV)
This will not be thanks to any human government. Hence, getting overly involved with politics is like trying to save a ship that is going to sink.
But I don't see any just or merciful God caring that a person votes or gets involved in trying to make a difference. That would get you disfellowshipped in the Watchtower Society. It would be covered under the rules of love:

Romans 13:10
Love does no harm to its neighbor. Therefore love is the fulfillment of the law.

1 Peter 4:8
Above all, love each other deeply, because love covers over a multitude of sins.

1 Corinthians 13:13
And now these three remain: faith, hope and love. But the greatest of these is love.

Proverbs 10:12
Hatred stirs up dissension, but love covers over all wrongs.

If we are serving in government for the betterment of all mankind, that is loving them. That is the will of God.

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#18031 Oct 29, 2012
Cary L Nickel wrote:
<quoted text>Being that over 50 percent of abortions performed kill female babies, and being that 100 percent of abortion complications occur to women, including complications that result in the woman's death, is it any wonder many women don't support abortion on demand?

Being that blue collar individuals, overall, support individual liberty, and the free market, at higher rates than some other classes, is it any wonder that they support candidates who reflect those views?

Being that 75 percent of bitterness and anger occurs in liberals and Democrats who don't understand liberty, such as, is it any wonder OregonSux can continue to post bitter and angry messages for people to laugh at on nearly a daily basis?

It is any wonder that some people are so stupid as to think there is a "first class" on a campaign plane?
Maybe this is your vision..

http://mobile.alternet.org/alternet/ #!/entry/508ecfe8d7fc7b5670389 f31

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#18032 Oct 29, 2012
Because leaving it up to the states is such a horrible idea..

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/mobileweb/2012/...

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#18033 Oct 29, 2012
Oooh...what's this??? Contraception should be criminal? Voting for the Taliban because u hate Obama so much is gonna come back to haunt u.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/mobileweb/2012/...

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#18035 Oct 29, 2012
"With his hometown paper endorsing the president and his home state supporting Obama nearly 2-to-1, I wish we could poll Mitt's servants." - LG

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#18036 Oct 29, 2012
Dana Robertson wrote:
<quoted text>
But I don't see any just or merciful God caring that a person votes or gets involved in trying to make a difference. That would get you disfellowshipped in the Watchtower Society. It would be covered under the rules of love:
Romans 13:10
Love does no harm to its neighbor. Therefore love is the fulfillment of the law.
1 Peter 4:8
Above all, love each other deeply, because love covers over a multitude of sins.
1 Corinthians 13:13
And now these three remain: faith, hope and love. But the greatest of these is love.
Proverbs 10:12
Hatred stirs up dissension, but love covers over all wrongs.
If we are serving in government for the betterment of all mankind, that is loving them. That is the will of God.
When Jesus spoke of love, it was not in the context of reforming (bettering) the world with it. If that would have been possible then he would have/or would be planning to do so in the future.

In fact, Jesus was a perfect example for all Christians when he himself did not get involved in politics, although he could have easily, as the people wanted to make him King. And what an amazing king he would have made! Imagine all that love. But that was not God’s will. Would it be logical if he wanted those who imitate Jesus, i.e. his followers (Christians) to get involved in governments? They would not be imitating Jesus if they did.(God’s will for Christians is to preach HIS government (the Good news of the Kingdom), and teach them how to become subjects of that Kingdom).

The role of the Kingdom is not the reformation (betterment) of everyone either, but of only those who want to be reformed by it and eventually to remove those who do not.

The evil in the world will not be conquered by love but by means of God’s Kingdom.
No earthly government will ever conquer evil. No matter how much love there is in the world some people will not change. God knows that. Only Gods’ government will conquer evil, by removing it and those who cause it, as per the scriptures I quoted in the earlier post.

Also, when Peter was talking about love, he was not talking about reforming the world. He was addressing the Christian congregation,(the house of God) reminding them to keep themselves separate from the nations and to stay morally clean. To love each other would keep them from being critical of one another because with love, they would be able to look over and forgive each others “sins” and stay united instead of keeping grudges and causing disunity etc. Cross reference Proverbs 10:12 “Hatred stirs up trouble; love overlooks the wrongs that others do”.(CEV)

So, JWs do not vote as they have already cast their votes for God’s Government, the only answer to mankind's woes.


Scary

Proctorville, OH

#18037 Oct 29, 2012
Mommy2Bof3 wrote:
Please visit www.blacklds.org for accurate information regarding the LDS stance and history of racial issues. I think you will be surprised to learn that Joseph Smith actually fought for equality and offered a safe haven for freed slaves. Black members were given the priesthood, and there was never an official "ban". Media and opponents of the LDS church like to sensationalize things and distort them to progress their agendas. BlackLDS.org is not an official LDS website. It is run by a group of black LDS members whose goal is to correct any lies or misinformation of the LDS Church regarding people of color.
This is positively untrue. You are lying.

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