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If it is not stopped, the Republican war on democracy will tear this nation apart

There are 82 comments on the www.dailykos.com story from Jan 28, 2013, titled If it is not stopped, the Republican war on democracy will tear this nation apart. In it, www.dailykos.com reports that:

Republicans can't win national elections anymore, having lost the popular vote in five of the last six, and with demographics shifts moving solidly against them , rather than try to better represent the will of the American electorate, they're instead going to try to break the system so that the will of the American electorate no longer matters.

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Since: Jul 10

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#41 Jan 29, 2013
Conservatism is a mental illness which has as one of its mottos: "take me back to the days of the big oak tree with a black hanging from a noose."
serfs up

Melbourne, FL

#42 Jan 29, 2013
WMCOL wrote:
Conservatism is a mental illness which has as one of its mottos: "take me back to the days of the big oak tree with a black hanging from a noose."
Blacks do such a good job of that themselves without who you accuse doing much of anything. In fact most of the racial criminal acts are black on white. They are not broadcast to loudly though. Only the victims and those who live in the same areas know for sure.

“Open your eyes”

Since: Sep 09

Central Florida

#43 Jan 29, 2013
Buffalo Bull wrote:
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Except for the the word clueless i think you make some valid points
The right and the left seem to take turns being the irresponsible party
when i first voted in 1974 the left or democrats were the party who attempted to define it self through insult and extreme and theoretical concepts. Then the Democratic Party gaged me with it's no brain, reflex driven leftism.
In 2013 it is the Republicans turn to play politics poorly. and to place ideology over thought and over obvious National interest. They are in the process of being punished for that sin just as the Democrats where punished.
From 1968 through 1998 the GOP won 5 of 6 Presidential Clearly that has turned
i take it you believe that both parties are flawed , and i can agree with that
Yes they are both flawed. Equally and as much as the other. They are both corrupt to the core. That is why I used the George Washington speech on political parties.

Your post here shows you understand what I was saying, however, the clueless comment was regarding a perception you provided in other posts by playing the D and R game.

A game in itself flawed where apologists of both parties apologize for the same actions that they take against their own supporters. A game that has no virtue or morality. A game that consists of no principles and convictions.

“Open your eyes”

Since: Sep 09

Central Florida

#44 Jan 29, 2013
WMCOL wrote:
Conservatism is a mental illness which has as one of its mottos: "take me back to the days of the big oak tree with a black hanging from a noose."
LOL!!!!!!!!!!

Do you even know the meanings of the words as it relates to today's world?

Q. What is a true conservative?

A. A true conservative is someone who follows the principles and ideals of liberty and freedom, reduced government to its bare core, a military used for defense not offense. A true conservative is a classic liberal. A 18th century Liberal.

Today's conservative is not conservative in the true sense of the term. Today's conservative is in name only. Those that call themselves conservative are actually not conservative. They are of mind of authoritarian, interventionist, fascist, and global.

Now comparing that to today's liberal. Today's liberal is one in the same. They want interventionist, authoritarian, and a global mindset. They do not believe in the individual, only the global collective. Today's liberal has forgotten what the true sense of the word and meaning is.

So when trying to use the terms, at least have a general understanding of the terms you are using.

“Open your eyes”

Since: Sep 09

Central Florida

#45 Jan 29, 2013
WMCOL wrote:
Yup, the main stream media is conservative owned and still the right-wingers cannot win. Liberals are almost totally shut out of main stream radio with conservatives owning 90% of AM/FM stations around the nation. Same with Television Stations where conservatives own some 90%+ of them all across the fruited plains.
Here in Tulsa there are two black oriented radiio stations, both owned by a conservative. You can believe if any liberal host goes too far on one of those stations in condemning conservatives he/she will be snatched off the air by the conservative owner.
But conservative hosts on conservative owned stations cannot go too far in condemning liberals. There is no limit on conservative vitriol and it dominates the airwaves.
Another posts with the lack of understanding the true sense of the words.

Learn the words, learn the true meanings of the words, then apply it to today's media.

They (media) are not conservative or liberal. They are global fascist authoritarian propaganda machines to spin a specific agenda for a specific industry for that industry to make money.

A perfect example of this is GE.

Q. Who created Earth Day and why?

A. Earth Day was an activist movement started by General Electric through their media owned NBC. The movement was to promote a greener earth by using specific light bulbs that were created by GE. Through lobbying of the Bush administration, Bush graced us with a law that pushed GE light bulbs as mandatory.

GE through NBC, played the guilt card. Making people feel bad for their way of life and basically manipulated them to by their specific light bulbs.

So what part of this is either liberal or conservative based on the true sense of the terms? Neither. It is fascism (the merger of corporations and government), authoritarian by the law Bush pushed on us, and propaganda.

Since: Dec 07

Athens, TX

#46 Jan 29, 2013
WMCOL wrote:
Conservatism is a mental illness which has as one of its mottos: "take me back to the days of the big oak tree with a black hanging from a noose."
The left side of the political spectrum is responsible for more deaths in world history than any other. Evil to the core.

Contol minds, control income, control thinking........death camps, prison camps..

Hell, even Rachel Maddow the lib of libs is questioning nobama on FEMA camps. LMAO

That's funnier than a flash flood in an alka seltzer factory.

Since: Aug 12

Buffalo, NY

#47 Jan 29, 2013
Kahoki wrote:
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Yes they are both flawed. Equally and as much as the other. They are both corrupt to the core. That is why I used the George Washington speech on political parties.
Your post here shows you understand what I was saying, however, the clueless comment was regarding a perception you provided in other posts by playing the D and R game.
A game in itself flawed where apologists of both parties apologize for the same actions that they take against their own supporters. A game that has no virtue or morality. A game that consists of no principles and convictions.
both party's flawed and guilty of the same sins. the only point we disagree on is mix of guilt.
My observation is
that when i first enrolled '74 the democrats were the ones that had rolled off of the edge of the table now it is GOP's turn
Unfortunately this is the only game in town
So how do we improve the system .

require candidates to run with no party label attached to their names?
using federal law to require states to have easier third party ballot access?
Public finance?
How about banning campaign donations from anyone who is not a constituent?

Im sure that we are fighting human nature as much as a systemic flaw

“Open your eyes”

Since: Sep 09

Central Florida

#48 Jan 29, 2013
Bluebonnets-Thistle wrote:
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That's funnier than a flash flood in an alka seltzer factory.
Now that's funny. Mind if I use it?

“Open your eyes”

Since: Sep 09

Central Florida

#49 Jan 29, 2013
Buffalo Bull wrote:
<quoted text>
both party's flawed and guilty of the same sins. the only point we disagree on is mix of guilt.
My observation is
that when i first enrolled '74 the democrats were the ones that had rolled off of the edge of the table now it is GOP's turn
Unfortunately this is the only game in town
So how do we improve the system .
require candidates to run with no party label attached to their names?
using federal law to require states to have easier third party ballot access?
Public finance?
How about banning campaign donations from anyone who is not a constituent?
Im sure that we are fighting human nature as much as a systemic flaw
There needs to be some serious election reform. And I think, no matter the party affiliation or what side of the coin people put themselves in, everyone can agree that the system as it is presently is corrupt. Corrupt to it's very core.

Let's tackle the solutions. I say all of the above, but, with reservations on federal law that is not described in the constitution.

Do not list the party affiliation. I have been for it since I could vote. Reasoning is, it will make the people actually research positions. Right now, people have in this mind set that due to their nationality or any other preconceptions, they have to vote a specific way. I have a friend of mine out in CA who is Mexican (yes legally), her family is so ignorant that they truly believe they have to vote Democrat because they are Mexican. They do no research or learn anything, just vote democrat because they are of Mexican desent. That is an issue. So if the lettering is taken away, it would force them to actually research in some form of fashion.

The Thrid party ballot access is a major issue. Look at what the Republicans did this past election in Penn and OK with Gary Johnson Ballot Acces, or, what the Commission on Presidential Debates did to Jill Stein during the debates by having her arrested when she could mathematically win the election from the ballot access she had. Completely stiffled decent, which could be argued as a form of restriction of free speech. The only way this could be corrected justly is having it on a state level, however, the states are just as corrupted as the Feds.

Public finance? Ding ding ding, we have a winner. No more private contributions through the use of Political Action Committees. The Supreme Court is wrong. Corporations are not people. That decision made it perfectly clear, the USA is a Fascist nation. Merger of Corporations and Government.

"How about banning campaign donations from anyone who is not a constituent?" Ding ding ding, Gutter. Tell him what he won.

Elections need to be pure. The will of the people, not the will of media/corporations through campaign contributions.

And the last thing. Get rid of the electoral college. When it was established, it was a good thing. However, the mode of transportation and communication was horse. Now, information travels faster than a blink of eye. The electoral college is no long needed.

Since: Jul 07

Newport News, VA

#50 Jan 29, 2013
Mr_Bill wrote:
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Tuth hurts, eh?
when tuth hurts, go to the dentist

Since: Jul 07

Newport News, VA

#51 Jan 29, 2013
daily kos is not a balanced news outlet. therefore, i assume the president will be in favor of shutting it down... .

Since: Aug 12

Buffalo, NY

#52 Jan 29, 2013
Kahoki wrote:
<quoted text>
There needs to be some serious election reform. And I think, no matter the party affiliation or what side of the coin people put themselves in, everyone can agree that the system as it is presently is corrupt. Corrupt to it's very core.
Let's tackle the solutions. I say all of the above, but, with reservations on federal law that is not described in the constitution.
Do not list the party affiliation. I have been for it since I could vote. Reasoning is, it will make the people actually research positions. Right now, people have in this mind set that due to their nationality or any other preconceptions, they have to vote a specific way. I have a friend of mine out in CA who is Mexican (yes legally), her family is so ignorant that they truly believe they have to vote Democrat because they are Mexican. They do no research or learn anything, just vote democrat because they are of Mexican desent.... The Supreme Court is wrong. Corporations are not people. That decision made it perfectly clear, the USA is a Fascist nation. Merger of Corporations and Government.
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This has been a productive exchange
Your point on a federal law ...well taken How ever an amendment would be required to abolish the electorial college thus at that point one could include any other reforms
Not to sound a partisan note but Romney may have made their choice easier with the Self Deportation" fiasco.
lastly the one aspect of parliamentary government is the occasional need to form co-allition gov't

“Open your eyes”

Since: Sep 09

Central Florida

#53 Jan 29, 2013
Buffalo Bull wrote:
<quoted text>
This has been a productive exchange
Your point on a federal law ...well taken How ever an amendment would be required to abolish the electorial college thus at that point one could include any other reforms
Not to sound a partisan note but Romney may have made their choice easier with the Self Deportation" fiasco.
lastly the one aspect of parliamentary government is the occasional need to form co-allition gov't
Romney was a stooge. The choice to push Romney up there was a perfect example of how the game was rigged.

There was no difference from Bush to Obama to possibly Romney. Different face, different name, different lettering. But, the policies were the same. More debt, more pre-emptive war with no proper declaration, more security over freedom.

Due to the Pubes putting up Romney as their guy, I think this is the reason behind 11M less people showing up to the polls during this election.

A little factoid that people seem to ignore.
radiofreeamerica

Tampa, FL

#54 Jan 29, 2013
This is a typical dumbass story on a dumbass web site written by dumbass journalists.The facts are that the Republicans have won control of the House of Representative two times in a row now by large majorities in Nov.,2010 AND Nov.,2012.Plus just for the information of the mental midgets among us there are 30 elected Republican governors in the U.S. including the Gov. of the U.S island of P.R.-which by the way is inhabited by Hispanics.Yes,Hispanics elected a Republican governor in P.R.

Since: Aug 12

Buffalo, NY

#55 Jan 30, 2013
Kahoki wrote:
<quoted text>
Romney was a stooge. The choice to push Romney up there was a perfect example of how the game was rigged.
There was no difference from Bush to Obama to possibly Romney. Different face, different name, different lettering. But, the policies were the same. More debt, more pre-emptive war with no proper declaration, more security over freedom.
Due to the Pubes putting up Romney as their guy, I think this is the reason behind 11M less people showing up to the polls during this election.
A little factoid that people seem to ignore.
while i would agree fully on the issue of corruption, both parties are culpable
with due respect the idea of there being no difference between Obama and Bush is quite the stretch if Obama was in office 2000 instead of 2008 we certainly would not have had the tax cuts nor the Iraq war. That would make for a large chunk of debt that would have never hit our books,
In addition the fact that for the first time we had a member of a racial minority in the White House is an import bit of national psychology that could not have happened with Romney , McCain or Bush. In 2012 the GOP fielded it's 'B' team due to the fact that more viable candidates saw Obama as tougher to defeat than whomever they might face in2016.
Presented with the choices it isn't sup rising that turn out sagged

Since: Aug 12

Buffalo, NY

#56 Jan 30, 2013
radiofreeamerica wrote:
This is a typical dumbass story on a dumbass web site written by dumbass journalists.The facts are that the Republicans have won control of the House of Representative two times in a row now by large majorities in Nov.,2010 AND Nov.,2012.Plus just for the information of the mental midgets among us there are 30 elected Republican governors in the U.S. including the Gov. of the U.S island of P.R.-which by the way is inhabited by Hispanics.Yes,Hispanics elected a Republican governor in P.R.
so you think there is no divide between the more traditional GOP'ers and the hard core tea party?

“Open your eyes”

Since: Sep 09

Central Florida

#57 Jan 30, 2013
Buffalo Bull wrote:
<quoted text>

with due respect the idea of there being no difference between Obama and Bush is quite the stretch if Obama was in office 2000 instead of 2008 we certainly would not have had the tax cuts nor the Iraq war. That would make for a large chunk of debt that would have never hit our books,
I do not agree, since Obama has taken office, the United States has invaded Africa as a hole. 35 bases in 2012 have been established under the banner of Africom.

Obama has waged a pre-emptive war on false pretenses in Libya, Yemen, Pakistan, Mali. His administration has been funneling in money and weapons to Al Qaeda in Syria, Egypt, and Libya.

As much as people do not like it, Anwar Al-Awaki was killed by a US drone strike in Yemen. People say he was a terrorist, however, he was an American citizen. People can call him what they want, but, bottom line was he was an America citizen. Being a citizen, he has the same protections as every other American citizen. The protection of their constitutionally protected rights. Means a right to fair trial with a jury, means the right against illegal search and seizure, means the right to free speech, means the right to privacy. The same rights we all have. The courts never issued an article or ruling of treason, which is punishable by death. But, that is exactly what happened.

Thomas Paine warned the American people of this type of behavior by government when he said, "He that would make his own liberty secure, must guard even his enemy from oppression; for if he violates this duty, he establishes a precedent that will reach to himself."

“It's a Brand New Day”

Since: Feb 06

New Rochelle

#58 Jan 30, 2013
Kahoki wrote:
<quoted text>
I do not agree, since Obama has taken office, the United States has invaded Africa as a hole. 35 bases in 2012 have been established under the banner of Africom.
Obama has waged a pre-emptive war on false pretenses in Libya, Yemen, Pakistan, Mali. His administration has been funneling in money and weapons to Al Qaeda in Syria, Egypt, and Libya.
As much as people do not like it, Anwar Al-Awaki was killed by a US drone strike in Yemen. People say he was a terrorist, however, he was an American citizen. People can call him what they want, but, bottom line was he was an America citizen. Being a citizen, he has the same protections as every other American citizen. The protection of their constitutionally protected rights. Means a right to fair trial with a jury, means the right against illegal search and seizure, means the right to free speech, means the right to privacy. The same rights we all have. The courts never issued an article or ruling of treason, which is punishable by death. But, that is exactly what happened.
Thomas Paine warned the American people of this type of behavior by government when he said, "He that would make his own liberty secure, must guard even his enemy from oppression; for if he violates this duty, he establishes a precedent that will reach to himself."
Your perception is that if things don't go your extreme libertarian (true to form, at least) way; then it is all the same and doesn't matter.

BUT, as Prince HAMLET SAID...
"There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio,
Than are dreamt of in your philosophy."

“It's a Brand New Day”

Since: Feb 06

New Rochelle

#59 Jan 30, 2013
Kahoki wrote:
<quoted text>
I do not agree, since Obama has taken office, the United States has invaded Africa as a hole. 35 bases in 2012 have been established under the banner of Africom.
Obama has waged a pre-emptive war on false pretenses in Libya, Yemen, Pakistan, Mali. His administration has been funneling in money and weapons to Al Qaeda in Syria, Egypt, and Libya.
As much as people do not like it, Anwar Al-Awaki was killed by a US drone strike in Yemen. People say he was a terrorist, however, he was an American citizen. People can call him what they want, but, bottom line was he was an America citizen. Being a citizen, he has the same protections as every other American citizen. The protection of their constitutionally protected rights. Means a right to fair trial with a jury, means the right against illegal search and seizure, means the right to free speech, means the right to privacy. The same rights we all have. The courts never issued an article or ruling of treason, which is punishable by death. But, that is exactly what happened.
Thomas Paine warned the American people of this type of behavior by government when he said, "He that would make his own liberty secure, must guard even his enemy from oppression; for if he violates this duty, he establishes a precedent that will reach to himself."
have you been to Paine's home?
You ought go.
http://www.thomaspainecottage.org/photo-galle...

Since: Aug 12

Buffalo, NY

#60 Jan 30, 2013
Kahoki wrote:
<quoted text>
I do not agree, since Obama has taken office, the United States has invaded Africa as a hole. 35 bases in 2012 have been established under the banner of Africom.
Obama has waged a pre-emptive war on false pretenses in Libya, Yemen, Pakistan, Mali. His administration has been funneling in money and weapons to Al Qaeda in Syria, Egypt, and Libya.
As much as people do not like it, Anwar Al-Awaki was killed by a US drone strike in Yemen. People say he was a terrorist, however, he was an American citizen. People can call him what they want, but, bottom line was he was an America citizen. Being a citizen, he has the same protections as every other American citizen. The protection of their constitutionally protected rights. Means a right to fair trial with a jury, means the right against illegal search and seizure, means the right to free speech, means the right to privacy. The same rights we all have. The courts never issued an article or ruling of treason, which is punishable by death. But, that is exactly what happened.
Thomas Paine warned the American people of this type of behavior by government when he said, "He that would make his own liberty secure, must guard even his enemy from oppression; for if he violates this duty, he establishes a precedent that will reach to himself."
again a note of discord in the case of Al-Awaki.
The Patriot acts erosion of privacy for law abiding US citizens is disturbing.
However, you are applying a 'pure libratarian' argument and I am not certain that it fits.
Put your self in the place of the President, how do you proceed on this matter.
Should the Seals have been required to read Osama bin ladin his Miranda rights?
the killing of a criminal fugitive is not new. Dillinger, Bonny and Clyde.... any criminal who is 'on the lamb', is subject to the risk of law enforsement using deadly force. In these famous criminal cases courts had issued arrest warrents but had never assumed guilt . The actions of Dillinger or Al-Awaki while being persued by law enforsement created a justification for the 'Dead or Alive' mentality
Rather than shed any tear for Al-Awaki. I would perfer to see the Patriot act Be eliminated and proceed as if these vermin were common criminals who are armed dangerous and therefor lacking their surrender are subject to law enforcement's use of deadly force.

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