No end in sight to 'war on women' attacks

There are 20 comments on the Nov 10, 2013, Politico story titled No end in sight to 'war on women' attacks. In it, Politico reports that:

Hardly a commercial break went by in October when Virginia voters weren't reminded of Ken Cuccinelli's far-right views on abortion and other social issues.

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Bernard Forand

Lehigh Acres, FL

#183 Nov 14, 2013

Why Obamacare? Only naives of the medical world would question that.“OR” corruptive supporters of austerity.
A sampling of Health Care cost in the USA versus other Nations.
USA avg. cost for an Angiogram $914 Canada’s cost $35 ! Colonoscopy USA $1,185 Switzerland $655 ! USA hip replacement $40,364 Spain $7,731! USA Liptor $124.00 New Zealand $6.00! USA MRI scan $1,121, Netherlands $319!
.Source: 2012 Comparative Price Report by the International Federation of Health Plans. The average prices shown for colonoscopies do NOT include added fees for sedation by an anesthesiologist, a practice common in the United States, but unusual in the rest of the world. The additional charges can increase the cost “significantly.”
Here is a sample of actual colonoscopy cost to some patients in the USA.
Deirdre Yapalater recent colonoscopy in Merrick N.Y. that went smoothly as routine cancer screening can be expected. Nothing found and she was billed $6,385! Which is closer to the norm. Matt Meyer of Keen N.H. colonoscopy bill $7,563.56. Maggie Christ, Chappaqua N.Y. received her bill for colonoscopy $9142.84!
Insurance companies were responsive to those patients charges by increasing their premiums by 10%, rising co-payments and deductibles. Price of quality? Not so, for numerous studies have discovered that Americans do not get better Health Care than the Nations that provide this procedure for less than $1,000 max.
International Federation of Health Plans list the USA as the highest most costly in all of the 21 categories that they investigated. Cost difference significantly larger than that of Nations that have private or national systems for their Health Care. Hip replacement in USA four time that of Switzerland and France. Caesarean section three times of New Zealand or Britain. USA Nasonex for allergies $108, Spain’s price $21. Hospital stays triple that of the rest of the developed nations. Reported from the Commonwealth Fund Foundation in their studies of health policies.
….Colonoscopy moved from the doctors routine examination to surgical atmospheres. More economical scenarios for this procedure is still practiced through out the developed world.
We’ve defaulted to by far, the most expensive option, without much if any data to support it,” said Dr. H. Gilbert Welch, a professor of medicine at the Dartmouth Institute for Health Policy and Clinical Practice.
…“The U.S. just pays providers of health care much more for everything,” said Tom Sackville, chief executive of the health plans federation and a former British health minister.
Obamacare about to take center stage will be addressing these issue as well as many others. Hopefully in time to suppress the growing tide of Medical Tourist seeking the Liberal International Free Trade Markets with their medical competitors.

Ocean56

AOL

#184 Nov 14, 2013
Buffalo Bull wrote:
Do you guys have someone who will do better than Mitt with women?
Do you guys have someone who will do better than Mitt with Blacks?
Do you guys have someone who will do better than Mitt with Hispanics?
If the answer is no to any of those questions...Democrats won't be the one's who will need luck
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Morgana9 wrote:
They can only manage to produce someone that does well with corporate America or China or Saudi Arabia and who sucks the ass of the religious right.

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Exactly. And it really is amusing to watch all these Republican politicians trying to come up with reasons why their boy Cuccinelli LOST big time in VA.

The reason why he lost is simple; women in VA knew he'd do his best to roll back women's rights in the state, so they REJECTED him and his far-right, anti-choice agenda.

“Blessed Be”

Since: Jun 07

Location hidden

#185 Nov 14, 2013
Le Jimbo wrote:
<quoted text>What your saying is that a law never made it legal and therefore the act was judicially manipulated from the bench, not deemed unconstitutional as a law. When liberals can't win according to the constitution and the legislative process they just buy another judge to tear another page from the constitution and wipe there ass with it.
No, that's not what I said at all. But don't let facts stop you from lying now, you never have before.

Abortion was legal in this country when it was founded, by virtue of the fact that it hadn't been declared illegal. As another poster pointed out, unless stated otherwise, an act is legal.

“Blessed Be”

Since: Jun 07

Location hidden

#186 Nov 14, 2013
Le Jimbo wrote:
<quoted text>...but it is mandated to use at least one. Seig Heil.
You people lie like rugs. It's amazing, the lies you think you can tell unchallenged.

“Moderately yours....”

Since: Aug 12

Buffalo, NY

#187 Nov 14, 2013
Chicopee wrote:
<quoted text>
I don't know what the per capita spending on health care is in Canada. But I do know that two provinces (Quebec and Ontario) spend over 50% of provincial revenues on health care. Four more provinces (Saskatchewan, Alberta, British Columbia and New Brunswick) are project..........
First off thank you for a well thought out set of questions, The approach that you used , is appreciated.
I will admit that using Cuba as a comparison is something of a red herring. However Canada and England are valid comparisons as integrated, industrialized nations.
I am quoting 2010 statistics
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Here are the cost figures
USA.......$8,233 per capita... 17.6% of GDP
Canada .$4,445..........11.4%
England $3,433..........9.6%
This is cut and dried we pay double England as represented by GDP
Also let look at 2007 figures to compare the rate of inflation in medical care.
USA 2007 per capita....$7,290
Canada..........3,895
England..........2,998
With no doubt the rate of increase in USA' cost per capita is far greater
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% of population that is caucasian
USA 72.4%...Canada 76.7%...England...85%
As you can see the Demographics of Canada are not radically different from our own. The mix of minority groups is different. The African American population is greater in the USA and as you point out there are diseases related to this ethnic group. In Canada the Native American population which has shorter life spans than other ethnic groups is more than doubled what the USA % is.
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You are correct that various factors such as murder rate do have and impact on medical results..However you also mentioned obesity rates which are a measure of medical results. Thus pointing to obesity illustrates that we lag in preventative medicine.

http://www.pbs.org/newshour/rundown/2012/10/s...

http://www.pbs.org/newshour/rundown/2012/10/h...

I will break down and post the cost drivers that are inherent in our system

“Moderately yours....”

Since: Aug 12

Buffalo, NY

#188 Nov 14, 2013
Chicopee wrote:
<quoted text>
I don't know what the per capita spending on health care is in Canada. But I do know that two provinces (Quebec and Ontario) spend over 50% of provincial revenues on health care. Four more provinces (Saskatchewan,
What drives the rate of increase in health care costs (in the United States)
----------
1) Free for service reimbursement...This is a system of payments unheard of elsewhere. It's best explained this way...
In Canada the cost of setting a broken leg in Hamilton by Dr. Smith is lets pick a price...$1,000...In Fort Erie the cost of setting a broken leg by Dr. Jones is $1,000...Baring complications there is no allowable difference in compensation...If Dr. Smith wishes to make more money he will have to find efficiencies with in his practice
In the United State there are different compensation based on how the patient is insured. And the Dr. is not given a fee for he whole job, but he is compensated for each part of the job. He will receive addition compensation per visit, per x-ray , per prescription...Thus is Dr. Smith wants a bigger pay day all he need do is schedule an extra visit , or X-ray or script....Thus a Canadian doctors search for additional compensation drives him to become more efficient, he his desire for a bigger paycheck drives him to be more expensive

2) The piecemeal buying of insurance. A un-arguable rule in the insurance industry the larger the risk pool the lower the costs. This is unique to the USA in Canada the provence of Ontario is the risk pool, hence a larger pool.

3) Rapid consolidation of providers. As a larger risk reduces cost a consolidated provider pool enables the providers to set the re-imbursements. If a Health Care conglomerate owns 50% of the hospital space in a given geographical area that conglomerate set prices. The larger the conglomerate the greater it's ability to set prices.

4) The fact that in the USA 16.9% are uninsured raises costs. The uninsured are virtually certain to not pay or to pay only a % of the total cost of their care. The outstanding costs are passed on to the insured, pure and simple. In additions the cost of caring for the uninsured is greater, because there is a lack of preventive medicine and small condition are allowed to fester.

5) Legal, The malpractice cost factor is significant in the USA and is added an exact figure is not possible to calculate , because of the atomized nature of the health care system, these number will vary from doctor to doctor.

http://www.pbs.org/newshour/rundown/2012/10/s...

Since: Nov 08

Paris

#189 Nov 14, 2013
Bernard Forand wrote:
Not only are technical problems effecting the roll out of Obamacare, whether it be as a faulty soft ware issue or an induced error from an external source is yet to be determined. In the end it will be investigated for years to come no doubt.
Another feature will be the present infrastructures of Insurance companies that seek to hold their monopoly on various sectors of our nations populace. That as well will be addressed and rectified.
Where there is competition amongst 4 or more insurance companies in a sector produces lower premium cost as those such as in rural areas have 2 or less cost is higher. Sharp difference which exposes the erroneous previous insurance infrastructure that promoted continuous higher cost of Health Care with a national average of 7 % per year to premiums and accelerating. Once this abnormality is dealt with estimates for premium increases will average approximately 3.3% per year. In ratio with the rate of living income index
Presently many of the poor are being offered the highest-priced plans in the 34 states. Of the 2,500 counties, 58% have only one or two insurance companies. Driving a higher cost to insurance. Their obstructions as well as some hospitals to have competition brought in , will delay the full benefits of Obamacare to be realized by those citizens for some time to come.
Example; Wyoming with only two insurers are significantly higher than their neighbor Montana with three insurers. Even across county lines differences can be substantial. Monroe County Fl. with two insurers, suffer greater cost compared to their neighbor Miami-Dade County, with seven companies in competition.
Rural Baker County Ga. With one insurer a 50 year old would pay on silver plan $644.05 where as his counterpart in Atlanta Ga. Pays $320.06.
Most of these low competition one insurer states are in the southern belt of our USA. In the North, Main, West Virginia, North Carolina, Alaska and N.H.
“The consumer wants some level of choice,” said Alexander K. Feldvebel, the deputy insurance commissioner for New Hampshire, where one carrier, Anthem Blue Cross, owned by WellPoint, now offers plans.“You don’t have that when you have a single carrier offering all the products.”
Well people have to run now, hope this helps you and your associates in comprehending what is effecting Health Cost.
Effective health cost is me paying for mine and you paying for yours.
EASY MONEY

Bangkok, Thailand

#190 Nov 14, 2013
Buffalo Bull wrote:
<quoted text>
First off thank you for a well thought out set of questions, The approach that you used , is appreciated.
I will admit that using Cuba as a comparison is something of a red herring. However Canada and England are valid comparisons as integrated, industrialized nations.
I am quoting 2010 statistics
----------
Here are the cost figures
USA.......$8,233 per capita... 17.6% of GDP
Canada .$4,445..........11.4%
England $3,433..........9.6%
This is cut and dried we pay double England as represented by GDP
Also let look at 2007 figures to compare the rate of inflation in medical care.
USA 2007 per capita....$7,290
Canada..........3,895
England..........2,998
With no doubt the rate of increase in USA' cost per capita is far greater
----------
% of population that is caucasian
USA 72.4%...Canada 76.7%...England...85%
As you can see the Demographics of Canada are not radically different from our own. The mix of minority groups is different. The African American population is greater in the USA and as you point out there are diseases related to this ethnic group. In Canada the Native American population which has shorter life spans than other ethnic groups is more than doubled what the USA % is.
----------
You are correct that various factors such as murder rate do have and impact on medical results..However you also mentioned obesity rates which are a measure of medical results. Thus pointing to obesity illustrates that we lag in preventative medicine.
http://www.pbs.org/newshour/rundown/2012/10/s...
http://www.pbs.org/newshour/rundown/2012/10/h...
I will break down and post the cost drivers that are inherent in our system
I think you forgot two things. How long does it take for a person to see a doctor and how long does it take to have surgery or other special treatments, in Canada and the UK? What is the wait time? I will pay whatever to be able to see my doctor when I want to see him.
Here is how it works for me, I go to the hospital at 07:00, they take my blood sample,weight and BP, I leave and go have breakfest, return to the hospital at 8:45 see the Doc at 9:00 where he has the results of the blood sample, we talk about it and by 10:00 I'm out of there. Can't get any better than that!
incredulous

Carmel, IN

#191 Nov 14, 2013
EASY MONEY wrote:
<quoted text>
I think you forgot two things. How long does it take for a person to see a doctor and how long does it take to have surgery or other special treatments, in Canada and the UK? What is the wait time? I will pay whatever to be able to see my doctor when I want to see him.
Here is how it works for me, I go to the hospital at 07:00, they take my blood sample,weight and BP, I leave and go have breakfest, return to the hospital at 8:45 see the Doc at 9:00 where he has the results of the blood sample, we talk about it and by 10:00 I'm out of there. Can't get any better than that!
Those who attempt to sell the gullible on the notion that socialized medicine is better are only interested in empowering big govt. After all, these simeball lawmakers wrote waivers for themselves which pretty much reveals the quality of the product they are pushing onto the taxpayers. Liberal outhouses like PBS are most certainly going to attempt to persuade the gullible into believing govt run healthcare is best. One little secret you don't hear about is the fact govt run health care programs provide much greater access to guinea pigs. This does allow for fast track innovations and advances but I would prefer such progress remain the laboratory and on willing patients.

“Moderately yours....”

Since: Aug 12

Buffalo, NY

#192 Nov 14, 2013
EASY MONEY wrote:
<quoted text>
I think you forgot two things. How long does it take for a person to see a doctor and how long does it take to have surgery or other special treatments, in Canada and the UK? What is the wait time? I will pay whatever to be able to see my doctor when I want to see him.
Here is how it works for me, I go to the hospital at 07:00, they take my blood sample,weight and BP, I leave and go have breakfest, return to the hospital at 8:45 see the Doc at 9:00 where he has the results of the blood sample, we talk about it and by 10:00 I'm out of there. Can't get any better than that!
The wait times are set to maximize the available time.
You say you will pay what ever to see your doctor when ever you want.
f you were a Canadian you would be able to purchase additional coverage that would enable you to do exactly that and even with that additional cost you would still be far ahead of being an American and paying for a plan.
In addition to having that extra coverage which would make your service comparable, at a lower price, everyone else gets covered for basic needs.
Here you get what you want at a higher price than if you were Canadian...and the way you get it denies 16% of the population basic coverage...

“Moderately yours....”

Since: Aug 12

Buffalo, NY

#193 Nov 14, 2013
incredulous wrote:
<quoted text>Those who attempt to sell the gullible on the notion that socialized medicine is better are only interested in empowering big govt. After all, these simeball lawmakers wrote waivers for themselves which pretty much reveals the quality of the product they are pushing onto the taxpayers. Liberal outhouses like PBS are most certainly going to attempt to persuade the gullible into believing govt run healthcare is best. One little secret you don't hear about is the fact govt run health care programs provide much greater access to guinea pigs. This does allow for fast track innovations and advances but I would prefer such progress remain the laboratory and on willing patients.
Yesterday I posted on Fee for Service compensation
You responded that i was full of shit....
lets refresh your memory


Sorry,but you are so full of shit...you said.
"Whatever you are referring to has more to do with a liberal than anything a conservative would dream up.
System of payments? So you're saying there is some kind of conspiracy? Please. The insurance industry is set up to discourage treatment whenever it can."

It is abundantly clear that you don't even know what the hell fee for service (or procdure) based billing is...do you?
Tel me how do private insurers and providers base compensation...
To tell me that i am full of shit and you dont have any idea how providers bill insurers...that says a lot about what you are full of

doesn't it

Have you learned anything since yesterday?
incredulous

Carmel, IN

#194 Nov 14, 2013
Buffalo Bull wrote:
<quoted text>
The wait times are set to maximize the available time.
You say you will pay what ever to see your doctor when ever you want.
f you were a Canadian you would be able to purchase additional coverage that would enable you to do exactly that and even with that additional cost you would still be far ahead of being an American and paying for a plan.
In addition to having that extra coverage which would make your service comparable, at a lower price, everyone else gets covered for basic needs.
Here you get what you want at a higher price than if you were Canadian...and the way you get it denies 16% of the population basic coverage...
Source? If it were that simple.........

The govt has no business controlling the health care of Americans. We are a people who are supposed to be living free from communism and socialism. No doubt the liberal elites have been busy selling the gullible on this notion of govt. run health care but it is a farce.
incredulous

Carmel, IN

#195 Nov 14, 2013
Buffalo Bull wrote:
<quoted text>
Yesterday I posted on Fee for Service compensation
You responded that i was full of shit....
lets refresh your memory
Sorry,but you are so full of shit...you said.
"Whatever you are referring to has more to do with a liberal than anything a conservative would dream up.
System of payments? So you're saying there is some kind of conspiracy? Please. The insurance industry is set up to discourage treatment whenever it can."
It is abundantly clear that you don't even know what the hell fee for service (or procdure) based billing is...do you?
Tel me how do private insurers and providers base compensation...
To tell me that i am full of shit and you dont have any idea how providers bill insurers...that says a lot about what you are full of
doesn't it
Have you learned anything since yesterday?
I'm afraid you are incapable of learning anything since you believe the govt. is going to deliver a quality health care system. How stupid are you? oscumma has lied about his signature plan.......went around the law and got the SCOTUS to decide on it rather than the people.........lied about the cost, lied about keeping our insurance.......how can anyone that has an average IQ even think oscumma and his morons can run a complicated health care system when they can't even keep a website going? It's no wonder you are going to believe more lies coming from the liberal elite's playbook.

Do we need to tweak our system? Of course but it should NOT be controlled by big govt. You are such a fool.
incredulous

Carmel, IN

#196 Nov 14, 2013
Buffalo Bull wrote:
<quoted text>
What drives the rate of increase in health care costs (in the United States)
----------
1) Free for service reimbursement...This is a system of payments unheard of elsewhere. It's best explained this way...
In Canada the cost of setting a broken leg in Hamilton by Dr. Smith is lets pick a price...$1,000...In Fort Erie the cost of setting a broken leg by Dr. Jones is $1,000...Baring complications there is no allowable difference in compensation...If Dr. Smith wishes to make more money he will have to find efficiencies with in his practice
In the United State there are different compensation based on how the patient is insured. And the Dr. is not given a fee for he whole job, but he is compensated for each part of the job. He will receive addition compensation per visit, per x-ray , per prescription...Thus is Dr. Smith wants a bigger pay day all he need do is schedule an extra visit , or X-ray or script....Thus a Canadian doctors search for additional compensation drives him to become more efficient, he his desire for a bigger paycheck drives him to be more expensive
2) The piecemeal buying of insurance. A un-arguable rule in the insurance industry the larger the risk pool the lower the costs. This is unique to the USA in Canada the provence of Ontario is the risk pool, hence a larger pool.

http://www.pbs.org/newshour/rundown/2012/10/s...
Since you want to live under the umbrella with communists and socialists.....why don't you move to any number of countries that can provide you with the kind of care you desire? This country is one of the last places in the world where the govt. doesn't control every aspect of our lives.

Fee for service? Hmmmm, do you not get paid for your work? Does a roofer get paid when he installs your roof? Your HVAC company get paid for service and installation? Do you expect them to charge less because YOU think it's too expensive?

Or let's say your plumber spent half the day repairing your old plumbing and you didn't pay him that day because your check won't come in for another two weeks. Should he float you interest free until you pay him? What if you don't pay him for 120 days....a year? This is common practice for physicians. Not only that they may not even get the full amount they billed.

Oh I see, since it's a doctor, it's ok that you don't pay him. He makes too much as it is. Right.

Why should my plumber get paid $200 for spending two minutes repairing a leak? Let's call on the govt and force him to charge me $25. After all, the part only cost him a buck.

And since my family's lives are so much more important than a leaky sink....I would much prefer to compensate my doctor well so that we may continue to receive the best and the brightest into the field of medicine.
incredulous

Carmel, IN

#197 Nov 14, 2013
Buffalo Bull wrote:
<quoted text>
What drives the rate of increase in health care costs (in the United States)
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3) Rapid consolidation of providers. As a larger risk reduces cost a consolidated provider pool enables the providers to set the re-imbursements. If a Health Care conglomerate owns 50% of the hospital space in a given geographical area that conglomerate set prices. The larger the conglomerate the greater it's ability to set prices.
4) The fact that in the USA 16.9% are uninsured raises costs. The uninsured are virtually certain to not pay or to pay only a % of the total cost of their care. The outstanding costs are passed on to the insured, pure and simple. In additions the cost of caring for the uninsured is greater, because there is a lack of preventive medicine and small condition are allowed to fester.
5) Legal, The malpractice cost factor is significant in the USA and is added an exact figure is not possible to calculate , because of the atomized nature of the health care system, these number will vary from doctor to doctor.
http://www.pbs.org/newshour/rundown/2012/10/s...


Hospitals don't set prices, the insurance industry does based upon the UCR which is really based upon it's profit margin. Don't forget, the insurance industry is in bed with the govt. So you may belly ache all day long about how evil hospitals and doctors are but the real 'enemy' is big govt. and their henchmen.....as in the insurance industry.

Hospitals and doctors have been attempting to remain afloat as the rising costs, instrusive govt. red tape have made it harder and harder to stay in business. They have to merge in order to contain costs.

Do you think we have a doctor shortage because they are being well compensated? It's because the costs to become and remain a doctor have grown enough to discourage growth in that area. Imagine once govt get's involved, this will discourage physicians even more.

There are states where doctors are actually leaving because the climate is so anti doctor and the people are left with shitty care. Socialized medicine will only make it worse. Ironic that you would then say the purchase of a supplemental plan will allow you to avoid shitty care.

oscumma is moving forward with his health care scam KNOWING there will not be enough doctors and THAT's if every doctor agrees to accept this plan which they are not. In fact, very few are in the network which means this is an utter failure before it even begins. So, oscumma has caused responsible people to LOSE their insurance and end up in a shit show with few doctors or hospitals to even go to!!!!

You should be embarrassed for defending this con artist because it makes you look like an utter fool.

“Moderately yours....”

Since: Aug 12

Buffalo, NY

#199 Nov 14, 2013
incredulous wrote:
<quoted text>I'm afraid you are incapable of learning anything since you believe the govt. is going to deliver a quality health care system. How stupid are you? oscumma has lied about his signature plan.......went around the law and got the SCOTUS to decide on it rather than the people.........lied about the cost, lied about keeping our insurance.......how can anyone that has an average IQ even think oscumma and his morons can run a complicated health care system when they can't even keep a website going? It's no wonder you are going to believe more lies coming from the liberal elite's playbook.
Do we need to tweak our system? Of course but it should NOT be controlled by big govt. You are such a fool.
You can lead a horses *ss to water...
you have no integrity. you honestly don't even bother to check to see it your telling the truth. Because you don't give a sh*t what is truth
You are the ultimate low information voter
and worse your an *ss h*le
incredulous

Carmel, IN

#200 Nov 14, 2013
The_Box wrote:
<quoted text>
Most of them do share those views. According to this 2012 Fox News poll, 54% support the FMA (as opposed to 37% opposed).
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/interactive/2...
<quoted text>
You're the silent minority.
Well, I don't believe it. Within the sample size of people I know who are Republican, they are pro choice. I suppose it matters where you get your sample. I suppose if you took a sample of Republicans at a Baptist picnic, you might get a more anti choice response although I know a few devoutly religious Baptists who are pro choice although they may not advertise their beliefs. Same with my Catholic friends. You would be surprised at how many pro choice Catholic women there really are....AND.... also on the 'Pill'.

“Moderately yours....”

Since: Aug 12

Buffalo, NY

#201 Nov 14, 2013
incredulous wrote:
<quoted text>
Hospitals don't set prices, the insurance industry does based upon the UCR which is really based upon it's profit margin. Don't forget, the insurance industry is in bed with the govt. So you may belly ache all day long about how failure before it even begins. So, oscumma has caused responsible people to LOSE their insurance and end up in a shit show with few doctors or hospitals to even go to!!!!
You should be embarrassed for defending this con artist because it makes you look like an utter fool.
First off you never give a source for anything you claim
I make my money in the stock market, that's why i can afford to waste time here..
how about you do you work?
Where does your insurance come from?

SOME PROFIT MARGINS
Apple...20%
Ford.....3.5%
A strong bank...20 %
Guess retail....6.7%

SOME HEALTH CARE PROFIT MARGINS
Amgen bio-tech...30.6%
Gilead Bio Tech......37.6%
Hospital real estate trust ( the largest hospital landlord)...24.5%
United insurance...4.1%
Well point..........4%

Average for
First year doctors $175k - to $275k for specialists
after 6 years the compensation for specialist can raise up to $625k

do you care when and where you are wrong.
Ink

Levittown, PA

#202 Nov 14, 2013
Bitner wrote:
<quoted text>
No, that's not what I said at all. But don't let facts stop you from lying now, you never have before.
Abortion was legal in this country when it was founded, by virtue of the fact that it hadn't been declared illegal. As another poster pointed out, unless stated otherwise, an act is legal.
Should everything that wasn't deemed illegal at the founding of our country still be not illegal? Is that what you base the legality of abortion on?

“Blessed Be”

Since: Jun 07

Location hidden

#203 Nov 14, 2013
Ink wrote:
<quoted text>
Should everything that wasn't deemed illegal at the founding of our country still be not illegal? Is that what you base the legality of abortion on?
And yes, another point goes sailing right OVER your empty little head.

He asked for the law saying it was legal. I answered that it wasn't necessary, because if something is not declared illegal then it is, in fact legal.

Okay, it's time to give your one remaining brain cell some more oxygen.

Breathe in.......and breathe out.

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