Would Todd Akin's Exit Really Change the G.O.P. Position on Abortion?

Aug 23, 2012 | Posted by: Mr_Bill | Full story: www.newyorker.com

"Do you feel betrayed by your fellow Republicans?" Mike Huckabee asked Congressman Todd Akin, who had called in to his radio show to say, for the record, that he was not dropping out of Missouri's Senate race.

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PATRIOT

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Birth Control, Abortion, equal pay; and most of all:
the EQUAL RIGHTS AMENDMENT.
What a blind and in denial crock of crap post. You need to take a large bottle of prune juice, no make that three large bottles, and cleanse yourself of the full of s--t syndrome.

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The right to get a legal prescription filled at the local pharmacy without some religious yahoo discriminating against them and refusing. I can't think of any other circumstance in which an employee can get away with sexually discriminating against paying customers and not get fired for it.
The right to have a female checkup at a woman's clinic that may or may not give abortion referrals, without a group of arrogant, clueless morons trying to shame her. I don't see anyone shouting protests at men when they go in for prostate examinations.
Up until recently (the last 30 years or so), they denied women the legal right to refuse sex with their husbands. Even today, I have heard some people identifying themselves as republicans state that it isn't rape if there's a marriage certificate, and that women basically give consent for the rest of their lives with their husbands as soon as they say "I do". Sickening.
I certainly don't think everyone who identifies as a republican is like this, but those who support the GOP and their absurd pro-rape agenda are RAPEpublicans, not REpublicans.
i've noticed this too.

I attribute it to a too strict mother, and warped religious training (especially the warped "Christian" kind.)

I've often felt that guys who were extremely anti-gay were some sort of closet case. That would explain both attitudes you remark upon.

This 'syndrome' is often accompanied by a too close relationship to guns; evn the personification of them, and also a propensity to exagerate and scam.

Mr_Bill LOVES women, enjoys the company (and dance music) of gays; and has beenhapilly married for many years.

I suspect that Mrs Akin (if there is one) has some tales she can never tell.

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Mr_Bill wrote:
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Birth Control, Abortion, equal pay; and most of all:
the EQUAL RIGHTS AMENDMENT.
No one has made been denied birth control. Not requiring health insurance to cover an item is not denying it.
Abortion is still legal as far as I know. Not wanting to pay for a service is not the same as denying it.
Hasn't the current white house been called out for paying female staffers less than male?
"In the early 1940s, the Republican Party and then the Democratic Party added support of the Equal Rights Amendment to their platforms."
http://www.equalrightsamendment.org/era.htm
It looks the Republicans were the first to support the equal rights amendment.
It seems that you are wrong on all counts. Would you like to try again?
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Mr Bill is hung out to dry again. Pappa caught ya in one of your misspoken moments.
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Outta Luck wrote:
The unborn are not US citizens. So they are not an issue for the government.
What??? Our government is powerless to pass laws prohibiting crimes against anyone who isnít a U.S. citizen? What kind of deluded dumbass are you?

Unborn babies are living human beings and have human rights. Rights come from God, not our government, and the most precious of all rights is the right to life.
Isn't government interference in the personal lives of Americans something we don't want???
If I strapped you to the medieval torture machine called the rack and began pulling your arms and legs off of your body, then put your head into a giant vise and began crushing your skull, would you want government to interfere into my personal life and stop me from putting you to death in such a barbaric and gruesome manner?
The housing market did not crash overnite. The housing market started to crash long before 2008, and the economy started to fail long before the market crash.
No, it actually occurred in a very short time. You liberals like to deny history, but facts are facts.
By the way the market rash was not aused by poor people. It was caused by upper middle class people trying to make big profits overnite.
Wrong. It was caused by government intervention into the free market system with socialist policies that forced lenders to make loans to people who lacked the ability to pay them back, then insuring those loans with taxpayer money.
The tax cuts did nothing to help the economy.
Wrong. Here again you are denying the facts. As a result of the Bush Tax Cuts, the economy was lifted out of the hole caused by the 9/11 attacks and then grew for 54 straight months. Also, unemployment remained under 5% and government revenues increased every single year.

Google GDP growth, unemployment, and government revenues during the years that Bush was President. Itís not hard, and the facts are easy to see.
Our economy crash because of piss poor funding for the very expensive war effort in Iraq and Afganistan. Do the math on the war 10 million a day for 10 years, and still dumping money over there.
Wrong. Yet again you are denying the facts. The average annual deficit (amount added to the national debt) during the time Republicans controlled Congress, which included the period both wars were active, was $325 billion per year. After Democrats gained control of Congress beginning in January 2007, the average annual deficit quadrupled to $1.4 trillion.

It wasnít the cost of war that caused our economic crash. It was mismanagement by Democrats who controlled the purse strings but couldnít control their lust to spend other peopleís money.

Again, you are deny the facts. Google government spending during the 12 years Republicans controlled Congress, then compare it to the spending done by Democrats since January 2007.
I'm done playing with your dumb ass.
Youíre the dumbass dipshit. Youíre too stupid and lazy to look up the facts and educate yourself. Itís too easy to just swallow the lying leftist bullshit and then puke it back up here on topix hoping no one will know that you havenít done your homework.

Iím too smart to be fooled by a dipshit like you.
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Leonine wrote:
The right to get a legal prescription filled at the local pharmacy without some religious yahoo discriminating against them and refusing.
Republicans havenít tried to stop people from getting prescriptions filled. Hell, they have no power to do that even if they wanted to.

The issue is whether taxpayers should be forced to pay for prescriptions, and whether itís a lawful exercise of government to force insurance companies to include certain types of coverage in every policy they sell.

This is still America and our Constitution still prohibits government from impairing the obligation to contract. It is unconstitutional for government to force a private business and a private individual into a contract, which is exactly what Obama has done through regulations requiring that every medical insurance policy include coverage for contraceptives.

If you want to use contraceptives, go to Walmart and buy a package of condoms and pay for them yourself.
The right to have a female checkup at a woman's clinic that may or may not give abortion referralsÖ
Again, Republicans have not sought to prevent that, nor could they even if they wanted to. The issue is that it is the improper use of taxpayer money. Those clinics that perform abortions or give abortion referrals should receive $0 taxpayer dollars.
Up until recently (the last 30 years or so), they denied women the legal right to refuse sex with their husbands.
Bullshit. Republicans have never done anything of the sort. Youíre lying your ass off.
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AKIN is going to win !
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Aiken is an idiot. That is a fact. Rich pay more tax than we do. Would you like a check for 1000 dollars or 1000 per cent. So last year Romney paid only three million dollars. Anyone here pay more?

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Pappa wrote:
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No one has made been denied birth control. Not requiring health insurance to cover an item is not denying it.
Abortion is still legal as far as I know. Not wanting to pay for a service is not the same as denying it.
Hasn't the current white house been called out for paying female staffers less than male?
"In the early 1940s, the Republican Party and then the Democratic Party added support of the Equal Rights Amendment to their platforms."
http://www.equalrightsamendment.org/era.htm
It looks the Republicans were the first to support the equal rights amendment.
It seems that you are wrong on all counts. Would you like to try again?
Except poor people. But they don't count, do they?
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Except poor people. But they don't count, do they?
Give us your definition of poor people Billy. I just donated food to someone I don't even know-I'm a Republican and a conservative, and still donated food to the local food bank even though I don't know who it will benefit.

How much food did you give up yesterday? What?

Face it-you are the one that doesn't count.
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guest wrote:
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What??? Our government is powerless to pass laws prohibiting crimes against anyone who isnít a U.S. citizen? What kind of deluded dumbass are you?
Unborn babies are living human beings and have human rights. Rights come from God, not our government, and the most precious of all rights is the right to life.
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If I strapped you to the medieval torture machine called the rack and began pulling your arms and legs off of your body, then put your head into a giant vise and began crushing your skull, would you want government to interfere into my personal life and stop me from putting you to death in such a barbaric and gruesome manner?
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No, it actually occurred in a very short time. You liberals like to deny history, but facts are facts.
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Wrong. It was caused by government intervention into the free market system with socialist policies that forced lenders to make loans to people who lacked the ability to pay them back, then insuring those loans with taxpayer money.
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Wrong. Here again you are denying the facts. As a result of the Bush Tax Cuts, the economy was lifted out of the hole caused by the 9/11 attacks and then grew for 54 straight months. Also, unemployment remained under 5% and government revenues increased every single year.
Google GDP growth, unemployment, and government revenues during the years that Bush was President. Itís not hard, and the facts are easy to see.
<quoted text>
Wrong. Yet again you are denying the facts. The average annual deficit (amount added to the national debt) during the time Republicans controlled Congress, which included the period both wars were active, was $325 billion per year. After Democrats gained control of Congress beginning in January 2007, the average annual deficit quadrupled to $1.4 trillion.
It wasnít the cost of war that caused our economic crash. It was mismanagement by Democrats who controlled the purse strings but couldnít control their lust to spend other peopleís money.
Again, you are deny the facts. Google government spending during the 12 years Republicans controlled Congress, then compare it to the spending done by Democrats since January 2007.
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Youíre the dumbass dipshit. Youíre too stupid and lazy to look up the facts and educate yourself. Itís too easy to just swallow the lying leftist bullshit and then puke it back up here on topix hoping no one will know that you havenít done your homework.
Iím too smart to be fooled by a dipshit like you.
Congragulations!!!!
You win!!!!!!
FInally I see the light.
You changed my Leftist ways.
I'm going to do my homework from now on.
I'm going to spend my afternoons looking abortion pictures, and yelling at people who are seeking an abortion.
I'm going to apologize to the banks for thinking the poor economy was something they played a part in.
I'm going to thank the republicans for 11 years of foreign war, and our high gas prices.
wow, man you did it, you really changed me I'm finally a grown up.
I hate all the right people now.
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Congragulations!!!!
You win!!!!!!
FInally I see the light.
You changed my Leftist ways.
I'm going to do my homework from now on.
I'm going to spend my afternoons looking abortion pictures, and yelling at people who are seeking an abortion.
I'm going to apologize to the banks for thinking the poor economy was something they played a part in.
I'm going to thank the republicans for 11 years of foreign war, and our high gas prices.
wow, man you did it, you really changed me I'm finally a grown up.
I hate all the right people now.
When faced with the facts, yours is a typical mindless response from a retarded liberal idiot.
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When faced with the facts, yours is a typical mindless response from a retarded liberal idiot.
...as opposed to a typical mindless response from a retarded tea-bagger? Both of you...move along.

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Except poor people. But they don't count, do they?
Once again, not providing something for free is not the same as denying it. You should invest in a dictionary.
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guest too wrote:
...as opposed to a typical mindless response from a retarded tea-bagger? Both of you...move along.
I've posted fact after fact after fact in this thread.

Besides, I'm neither retarded nor a tea bagger. I prefer coffee.

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Give us your definition of poor people Billy. I just donated food to someone I don't even know-I'm a Republican and a conservative, and still donated food to the local food bank even though I don't know who it will benefit.
How much food did you give up yesterday? What?
Face it-you are the one that doesn't count.
Good for you (I mean it.)

Yes, by coincedence, Mr_Bill donates, both regularly to certain local and national charities, and also directly to a very poor person in my town, fot whom I bought lunch Friday, and to whom gave bread and pastry just today.

Mr_Bill is probably more conservative than you, would be a libertarian, but for a very strong streak of pragmatism.

I just don't believe that advocating personal morality (the belief that abortion is a sin) into law is American. Those who believe abortion is a sin should have nothing to do with it. Those who believe abortion is murder are deluded by superstition. Those who believe that abortion is a free choice would never think of forcing abortions upon others, as the Chinese do.

Why and how is the moral behavior and decisions of others with a different morality than yours your business??????

Keep up the good works, as I will. People of good will, but different beliefs and ideas, can meet here on TOPIX. I just wish people would let other people be free.
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I just don't believe that advocating personal morality into law is American.
That's sheer idiocy. Every law finds its basis in morality. Following your logic, we'd have to abolish all laws against murder, rape, robbery, battery, etc.
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Mr_Bill wrote:
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Good for you (I mean it.)
Yes, by coincedence, Mr_Bill donates, both regularly to certain local and national charities, and also directly to a very poor person in my town, fot whom I bought lunch Friday, and to whom gave bread and pastry just today.
Mr_Bill is probably more conservative than you, would be a libertarian, but for a very strong streak of pragmatism.
I just don't believe that advocating personal morality (the belief that abortion is a sin) into law is American. Those who believe abortion is a sin should have nothing to do with it. Those who believe abortion is murder are deluded by superstition. Those who believe that abortion is a free choice would never think of forcing abortions upon others, as the Chinese do.
Why and how is the moral behavior and decisions of others with a different morality than yours your business??????
Keep up the good works, as I will. People of good will, but different beliefs and ideas, can meet here on TOPIX. I just wish people would let other people be free.
Same to you Mr. Bill.

My belief is not that abortion is a sin-the taking of an innocent life is. We probably disagree on when life starts-so be it. The moral behavior is only my business if affects me, or someone who can't defend themselves. Immoral behavior covers a lot territory. Decisions that don't adversely affect me, or someone who can't defend themselves, are 'none of my business'. But don't make the mistake of acting out an 'immoral behavior' by making a 'decision' to steal an old ladies purse while I'm standing next to her. I go from sin mode, to crime fighter mode, to bust an ass mode pretty quick. If you know what I mean?

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I've noticed that not a single anti-abortion advocate thus far has admonished this man for his insulting, crude choice of words regarding the crime of rape.

This tells me that the trauma we survivors live with each and ever day for the rest of our lives means absolutely NOTHING to these people.

There is NO excuse for categorizing rape as "legitimate" or "non-legitimate" If it happened, it happened. Slapping a legitimacy label on this terrible violation of body and spirit is just another way of excusing it, and perhaps a step towards legalizing it, if the attitudes of some "prolifers" are any indication.

Rape isn't "illegitimate" if it didn't occur. It simply didn't happen. Rape is rape, assholes. People who have lived through it know better than to assign a label of "legitimacy" to it based on whether the victim is beaten up enough to categorize it as a "legitimate" attack or not.

I don't give a fuck what Obama did or did not do this term. What I care about is that this man trivialized what happened to me and to millions of other people (not just women) on this planet.

Why aren't you pro"lifers" even the least bit incensed by this behavior? Insisting that rape is only "real" if a pregnancy occurs as a result is the lowest form of insult to everyone who has lived through such a horrid violation.

I hope none of the soulless rape apologists ever have to experience it themselves, in order to appreciate how horrible this man's evil comments truly are.
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Leonine wrote:
I've noticed that not a single anti-abortion advocate thus far has admonished this man for his insulting, crude choice of words regarding the crime of rape. There is NO excuse for categorizing rape as "legitimate" or "non-legitimate"
While Akin used a poor choice of words, he was merely differentiating between forcible rape and consensual sex with an underage partner which is known as statutory rape.

You may fail to understand the distinction, but it has always been there and is codified in the laws of every state in the union.

Akin's main point is that we must stop allowing the butchering of 1.5 million innocent, helpless little babies every single year in this country.

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