Unduly punished

Unduly punished

There are 31 comments on the Orlando Sentinel story from Oct 30, 2007, titled Unduly punished. In it, Orlando Sentinel reports that:

Two weekends ago, the eight Republican presidential candidates converged in Orlando at the annual Florida GOP convention to engage in a nationally televised debate.

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George

Palm Bay, FL

#1 Oct 30, 2007
Florida Democrats are very similar in their thought processes as the bunch of weirdies that accompanied Jim Jones down to South America and willingly drank the Kool Aid with poison in it. In defense of real Florida natives though, Florida Democrats are actually mostly transplanted Yankees and have nothing whatsoever to do with real Floridians. I get the biggest kick out of letters to the editor complaining about Florida drivers. They don't realize that over half the drivers on the Florida highways today are probably from their own home states up North.
Thom

United States

#2 Oct 30, 2007
Totally untrue, I was born and raised in Florida, as with most of my friends, and most all are Democrats. Geralizations are usually just that, something someone makes up just to make their point. That being said, I refuse to vote for any Democratic nominee who does not campaign in Florida, if you want my vote, you better ask for it and explain why you deserve it. If that nominee is the candidate in the general election, I will leave the presidential selection blank.
Truth is

Melbourne, FL

#3 Oct 30, 2007
Not only are the Florida Democrats mostly transplanted New Yorkers, but they ALSO STILL VOTE IN NY, as well as Florida, along with the NY snowbirds!! Talk about a bunch of crooks!!
mark

Chattanooga, TN

#4 Oct 30, 2007
they figure that your vote either isn;t needed or dont matter so when election time comes around show them they were right vote for someone other than a democrat even if you dont totally support another party then when they loose because florida didnt vote for them then they will have no one to blame but themsleves brush off a state for spite then dont plan on being the pres. after all all parties use the "every vote counts" crap all the time show them just how much it really does count
HnK

Omaha, NE

#5 Oct 30, 2007
There is an easy almost silly solution to this problem: Have the primaries on the same day nationwide, that way four states don't "fix" the election. Nobody wants to vote for a "loser" , so instead we usually get the most media friendly loser elected.

As for the Democratic Party and Howard Dean's arrogance, I can only hope FL voters will punish them. I think they have made a mistake by bringing the back room politics out in the open for the average rube to see. Seriously, if a candidate would actually sign a pact to not campaign in the 4th largest electoral vote state, I would say their loyalty is not with people, but the party. These are the types of politicians(both parties) that have turned our country into what it is today. Let's show them WE THE PEOPLE!!!
Gator93

Toronto, Canada

#6 Oct 30, 2007
The current pres is a Repulican and unpopular. If the Dems don't blow it they have a great shot. Amazing how adept the Democrats are at blowing it.

The MVP for the Republicans will be the Democrats!
HnK

Omaha, NE

#7 Oct 30, 2007
Gator93 wrote:
The current pres is a Repulican and unpopular. If the Dems don't blow it they have a great shot. Amazing how adept the Democrats are at blowing it.
The MVP for the Republicans will be the Democrats!
There is only one candidate that stands out from the rest of the politician hacks(both parties). Unfortunately for the US, he's on the wrong side for the 2008 election. We can hope that the "revolution" will happen in the primary's and common sense will prevail. Ron Paul is the best choice, but the MSM do not like him. However, the internet loves him. I don't think he's the end all savior, but he could really put us on the right track, which won't happen if any of the other front runners are elected.
lulu

Tallahassee, FL

#8 Oct 30, 2007
HnK wrote:
<quoted text>
There is only one candidate that stands out from the rest of the politician hacks(both parties). Unfortunately for the US, he's on the wrong side for the 2008 election. We can hope that the "revolution" will happen in the primary's and common sense will prevail. Ron Paul is the best choice, but the MSM do not like him. However, the internet loves him. I don't think he's the end all savior, but he could really put us on the right track, which won't happen if any of the other front runners are elected.
Everyone, meet HnK. HnK is what we refer to as a "PaulHead", a take on Jimmy Buffet's "ParrotHead" followers, and not a very good one at that. Ron Paul is a kook, and everyone knows this, which is why his campaign pays folks like HnK to surf news websites and post rah-rah messages for their "candidate". Nice try. Anyone who's been paying any attention to the presidential debates knows he's a joke. So please, go earn your $5.75 an hour posting elsewhere. To quote Jack Nicholson, "Go sell crazy someplace else. We're all stocked up here."
Orlando Democrat

Orlando, FL

#10 Oct 30, 2007
To get to a more serious matter than what I've read on some of the previous posts, what disturbs me about this matter concerns part of a report I read in "U.S.A. Today" a couple of weeks ago on the lawsuit that the Florida Democratic Party is bringing against the D.N.C. It said that in rulings made in 1975 and 1981, the U.S. Supreme Court said that when theres are clases between the rules of political parties and state laws over when presidential primaries are to be held, the rusles of political parties supersede state laws.

This got me to return to my copy of the Constitution, and in it, Article 6, Paragraph 2 says in as many words that the Constitution is the supreme law of the land, and that all of the judges in all of the states must first abide by the U.S. Constitution before they abide by their state constitutions or ther local laws. In effect this establishes a hierarchy of American laws that goes something like Constitutional-Federal-State/T erritorial-Local-Military. At no time does there seem to be any refernces to privately run political parties, which I grant you didn't exist to the degree as we know them now at the time the Constitution was being written.

Which for me begs the question "Under what part of the Constitution did the Supreme Court base their decisions to give polical parties more power than state governments under certain, let alone any, circumstances?" I hope the attorneys for the Florida Democratic Party bring this issue up in their arguments.
HnK

Fredericksburg, VA

#12 Oct 30, 2007
Hey lulu,
Nice way to try and discredit me. I am not a head at all. I did go to the Buffet concert at the O'rena for hurricane relief and it was a lot of fun. The only candidate that stands out is Paul. Like it or not, everyone else is the status quo, spend, spend, spend (and differ on maybe 3 issues: gun control, abortion, and socialism). But like I said in my post, he isn't the end all savior (a hint that there are some devoted fans of his), but attacking me and accusing of me campaigning for him is a bit over the top don't you think. Let me guess you're another idiot who thinks the person is from where the IP address is? It says Cali for me today, maybe Brooklyn later, and every once in a while Jacksonville, but never Orlando. Hell it says you're from Tallahassee. Say hi to Bobby for me when you're in the unemployment line, OK! BTW, Paul has been a senator for 30 years and has always stood his ground basing his decisions on the Constitution. Kooky in today's political climate I know. Please specifically tell me how any other candidate is different than the others with exception to the 3 points above!
Gloom and Doom

Silver Spring, MD

#13 Oct 30, 2007
I have no real love for the Republicans but the Democrats really do suck the worse. The are Socialist 100%. Take, take, take from the well to do and give, give, give to the worthless. lazy "poor". Don't they know that Socialism and Communism simply don't work. I believe they may need to get back in office, the sooner the better. After they raise taxes 400 Billion and steal a whole lot more from Americans, destroy the health care in America and fail to protect America, the revolution will begin. They will be draged from their leather chairs in Washington, strapped to telephone poles all around the Washington area and simply be shot in the forhead with a 9mm or 45 auto. Ah! what a wonderful day that would be. To see the American people take back America from the liers and crooks. I'm afraid I may be dead before it happens, but it will happen.
Gloom and Doom

Silver Spring, MD

#14 Oct 30, 2007
HnK wrote:
<quoted text>
There is only one candidate that stands out from the rest of the politician hacks(both parties). Unfortunately for the US, he's on the wrong side for the 2008 election. We can hope that the "revolution" will happen in the primary's and common sense will prevail. Ron Paul is the best choice, but the MSM do not like him. However, the internet loves him. I don't think he's the end all savior, but he could really put us on the right track, which won't happen if any of the other front runners are elected.
I believe Huckaby from AR is comming on strong. He's your Huckleberry.
pudbert_Savannah GA

United States

#15 Oct 30, 2007
Gloom and Doom wrote:
I have no real love for the Republicans but the Democrats really do suck the worse. The are Socialist 100%. Take, take, take from the well to do and give, give, give to the worthless. lazy "poor". Don't they know that Socialism and Communism simply don't work. I believe they may need to get back in office, the sooner the better. After they raise taxes 400 Billion and steal a whole lot more from Americans, destroy the health care in America and fail to protect America, the revolution will begin. They will be draged from their leather chairs in Washington, strapped to telephone poles all around the Washington area and simply be shot in the forhead with a 9mm or 45 auto. Ah! what a wonderful day that would be. To see the American people take back America from the liers and crooks. I'm afraid I may be dead before it happens, but it will happen.
You saved me tons of typing, EXCELLENT post!! And very true.
john

Titusville, FL

#16 Oct 30, 2007
Randy Scot

Orlando, FL

#17 Oct 30, 2007
Gloom and Doom wrote:
I have no real love for the Republicans but the Democrats really do suck the worse. The are Socialist 100%. Take, take, take from the well to do and give, give, give to the worthless. lazy "poor". Don't they know that Socialism and Communism simply don't work. I believe they may need to get back in office, the sooner the better. After they raise taxes 400 Billion and steal a whole lot more from Americans, destroy the health care in America and fail to protect America, the revolution will begin. They will be draged from their leather chairs in Washington, strapped to telephone poles all around the Washington area and simply be shot in the forhead with a 9mm or 45 auto. Ah! what a wonderful day that would be. To see the American people take back America from the liers and crooks. I'm afraid I may be dead before it happens, but it will happen.
Oh yes! When one has run out of ideas, the name calling begins and the lies flow freely. Better to spread fear over your oponents than to actually say something useful.
matt

Winter Haven, FL

#18 Oct 30, 2007
I challenge the Sentinel editorial board to show where in the Constitution that Florida Democrats or any other voters have a "right" to vote for any candidate in a Presidential primary or general election for that matter. Once again the "knowledgeable" editorial board shows its lack of knowledge of the US Constitution.
Gator

United States

#19 Oct 30, 2007
Gloom and Doom wrote:
I have no real love for the Republicans but the Democrats really do suck the worse. The are Socialist 100%. Take, take, take from the well to do and give, give, give to the worthless. lazy "poor". Don't they know that Socialism and Communism simply don't work. I believe they may need to get back in office, the sooner the better. After they raise taxes 400 Billion and steal a whole lot more from Americans, destroy the health care in America and fail to protect America, the revolution will begin. They will be draged from their leather chairs in Washington, strapped to telephone poles all around the Washington area and simply be shot in the forhead with a 9mm or 45 auto. Ah! what a wonderful day that would be. To see the American people take back America from the liers and crooks. I'm afraid I may be dead before it happens, but it will happen.
Gloomy, you unfortunately epitomize the great need of more education in this country. First of all, your socialist point is hypocritical, considering Republicans in the state of Florida created their own brand of it with Citizens' Property Insurance. Not to mention, we already have programs with socialized leanings with our veterans’ benefits, police & fire departments, libraries, public schools, etc., so please try to find more constructive ideas than what your demagogues tell you say.

Regarding this editorial, Howard Dean has not influenced my political decisions in the past and will not do so now. I advise all Floridians in both parties to vote for their candidate of choice in the upcoming primaries and not let the foolish decisions from the national parties discourage our right to vote. In case you did not notice, the RNC penalized all states that moved their primaries earlier by cutting half of their delegates without exception. This could be a potentially greater issue in the closer Republican race where these votes are critical. That still should not prevent anyone from voting in the primaries if they choose to do so. It is our civil right to vote and let the courts handle the legal obligation to uphold the outcomes if it comes to that.

“Texas Rocks!!”

Since: Mar 07

Texas

#20 Oct 31, 2007
Hello ,

I think Mr. Gravel has potential.

Mike Gravel for president 2008

http://www.gravel2008.us/

an excerpt from an article _

Gravel talks about moving to Alaska in the 1950s with no job prospect and no money. He was a dyslexic former military intelligence officer with a degree in economics from Columbia University, the son of French-Canadian immigrants who saw no future in pursuing politics in his native Massachusetts because the game there, he says, was dominated by the Irish and the Italians. So he went to Alaska, which wasn't even a state at the time, and within 12 years was sitting in the U.S. Senate.
To comment or link to the article to read the whole interview follow this link_

http://www.topix.com/who/mike-gravel/2007/10/...
ntheno

Oviedo, FL

#21 Oct 31, 2007
Yep, Ron Paul is a little kooky, but give me the choice of Ron Paul or Hillary and I'll pick RP every time.
mark

Chattanooga, TN

#22 Oct 31, 2007
matt wrote:
I challenge the Sentinel editorial board to show where in the Constitution that Florida Democrats or any other voters have a "right" to vote for any candidate in a Presidential primary or general election for that matter. Once again the "knowledgeable" editorial board shows its lack of knowledge of the US Constitution.
you need yo go back and read the constitution again because YES it is a right to vote everyone unless convicted of a felony then you can go a petition the courts for reenstatement of rights. before you go bashing make sure you know what you are talking about.go back and read your rights amendment 15 to be exact

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