Joseph T. Bartucci, Jr. vs. Michael Jackson

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<quoted text>Child Molestation is a revolting crime and, yes, it does destroy a person. That's all the more reasons to fight with every fibre of your being and exonerate yourself of these allegation. In 1993, Michael should have admitted he made a mistake by befriending a child and make it his goal to get exonerated. But, no, Michael made excuses concerning his Dangerous Tour or that his frail body was in pain. He was going to lose sponsors from the Dangerous Tour, or a insurance company forced him into settling. Too much hogwash. No man wants to be labelled an "accused child molester" but Michael was left open to that by reaching financial settlements.

In 2003, he fought the Arvizo allegation because he had no choice and won the case. While that may be good not all the jurors believed his past relationships with young boys were innocent. They believed he had a unhealthy obsession with young boys.
An unhealthy obsession doesn't always have to be pedophilia. MJ got off because of a majority jury outcome.

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An unhealthy obsession doesn't always have to be pedophilia. MJ got off because of a majority jury outcome.
There is no such thing as a healthy obsession with young boys. It's called pedophilia.
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An unhealthy obsession doesn't always have to be pedophilia. MJ got off because of a majority jury outcome.
I don't believe that. I believe that MJ got off because millions were trying to protect their values. I don't know how MJ supporters managed to get appointed as jurors in that case,(considering like a courtroom, the jury are supposed to be IMPARTIAL to the case at hand.) but it seems clear to me that several of them had an image of MJ that was set in stone from a long time past.

MJ's reputation as a supreme ambassador of goodwill was cemented in the public's eye back in his "We Are The World" days. Although he tried to uphold the humanitarian image he was famous for, excessive, idol worshiping fame caused him to lose his soul. That level of praise and unflinching devotion just isn't natural. Like how children need both a mother and father to grow into well balanced adults, adults need need to be told "NO!" when they get too big for their britches.

This is often something idealistic humans don't get until it's too late. Parents know that you can't give in to their kids all the time but for some reason, even parents figured it was OK for MJ. They grew up with him. They watched Michael Jackson rise to the top of mankind’s greatest aspirations…. Money! Fame! Power! Beauty! Talent! He was everything MTV raised children admired! We loved him so much, we handed our kids over to him! To admit that the “KING” had lost his marbles would be blasphemy! Millions consider his problems, their problems.

Although Michael Jackson had become a menace, millions (including members of that jury) felt that saying he was guilty of something as despicable as child molestation would invlove admitting they were wrong about him! Its why you fans refuse to look at this any other way. When you start shaking the foundations of firmly held beliefs, many will act like it's the end of the world before they'll change their minds.
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"involve"
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It’s odd that even though Jackson made sure he was equipped with the best cameras money could buy for his interview with Martin Bashir, he didn’t have one single camera in his bedroom to capture those precious,“non-sexual” moments with his new bed mates. He said it was all pure and innocent anyway, right? Jackson tried to make it sound like what was going on behind those closed doors were nothing more than harmless sleepovers. You would think Mr. Sensitive would want to keep a scrapbook of that! A snapshot or two of him making up his bed on the floor sure would have come in handy at his criminal trial.

Oh wait! No, it wouldn’t. That jury just took his word for it!

It seems to me that if they weren't fans to begin with, they certainly were easily swayed after hearing about what a huge mega-star he was! One female juror stated that the trial made him “normal” in her eyes. HUH? Normal black men don’t pay millions of dollars to look like a Caucasian woman or arrange to have multimillion-dollar checks made out to their accusers! That juror didn’t make this decision based on the law or evidence. She voted with the mindset of a typical star struck American.

Normally, a man that felt deprived of his childhood would play catch with a boy; take him to the movies or a ballgame. He sure wouldn’t feel compelled to go to bed with him! That’s something else altogether. It’s against the odds that a man would keep getting into hot water for the same thing over and over and have nothing to do with it!

The world just doesn’t turn that way.

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I agree so much with your statements BB2. I think the jury decided to throw caution to the wind. They decided it was easier to disbelieve this nobody family, Arvizos, then to say the King of Pop was a child molester. If they chose to err on the side of the accuser and believe them they would be the 12 most hated people on Earth.
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My sister used to have sleep-overs and you'd better believe that she shot an entire roll of film that night!! You fans don't find the fact that there are NO snapshots of MJ's harmless little sleep-overs a tiny bit suspicious??

Hold on before you say, "WHAAAT?? Invade the King's privacy like that??" We aren't talking about a man and wife his here!! We're talking about activities that should've NEVER TAKEN PLACE without the parents around!!

I dunno about you, but if my precious child called to ask if it would be OK for him to climb into a 46 year old man's bed, I would tear over to Neverland so fast, I'd probably kill someone!! The only other way I would allow it to happen would be IF I WAS THERE and occupied the next room!!

Then I'd insist that MJ kept his bedroom door open so I could check in once and a while!!!
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"his wife"
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You fans act like the world should just accept that MJ had permission to go to bed with their children cuz HE SAID SO!

But how did he GET permission?

I think MJ had a system. Like his long term manager, Bob Jones wrote,“Michael had a sinister gift for determining which of the many children he came into contact with might be “woo-able” and whose parents could be bought off. Michael’s wooing of a young boy was embarrassing: the cooing, the hugging and holding hands. Michael Jackson and this little boy were, I dare say, in love.”

I think MJ bought certain parents off. There ain't no way a rebel like MJ would give a damn about what some dumb old parents thought! His goal was to get children AWAY from their parents!!

He asked Martin Bashir, "wouldn't you take a child to bed with you if you thought he wasn't getting enough love at home?" MB exclaimed, "NO WAY!!" MJ answered, "I would." Even before MJ had kids of his own, he thought he was a better parental figure to them than their own parents!!

There's no way in hell "THE KING" would've felt the need to ask for the permission from those dummies for ANYTHING!!
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It's a big part of what his fans love about him!

HE WAS A REBEL!!!

Why should we believe that he played by those parent's rules??

They played by HIS!!

So long as Mr. Wonderful kept buying them expensive gifts, they were only doing what's good for the family!!

Heck... it was rumored that getting cozy with the King of Pop could help your child be A STAR!!!

Heaven help us.
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I'd swear this world is going to Hell in a hand basket.

I'm glad I'm an old man!!

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TripleH1976 wrote:
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Child Molestation is a revolting crime and, yes, it does destroy a person. That's all the more reasons to fight with every fibre of your being and exonerate yourself of these allegation. In 1993, Michael should have admitted he made a mistake by befriending a child and make it his goal to get exonerated. But, no, Michael made excuses concerning his Dangerous Tour or that his frail body was in pain. He was going to lose sponsors from the Dangerous Tour, or a insurance company forced him into settling. Too much hogwash. No man wants to be labelled an "accused child molester" but Michael was left open to that by reaching financial settlements.
In 2003, he fought the Arvizo allegation because he had no choice and won the case. While that may be good not all the jurors believed his past relationships with young boys were innocent. They believed he had a unhealthy obsession with young boys.
I'll bet if the Arvizos had accepted a payoff and not pressed charges, Gavin would have been one more molested child quietly shoved away.

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<quoted text>There is no such thing as a healthy obsession with young boys. It's called pedophilia.
An obsession is never healthy behavior but it's not pedophilia.

No molestation ever happened.

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<quoted text>I don't believe that. I believe that MJ got off because millions were trying to protect their values. I don't know how MJ supporters managed to get appointed as jurors in that case,(considering like a courtroom, the jury are supposed to be IMPARTIAL to the case at hand.) but it seems clear to me that several of them had an image of MJ that was set in stone from a long time past.

MJ's reputation as a supreme ambassador of goodwill was cemented in the public's eye back in his "We Are The World" days. Although he tried to uphold the humanitarian image he was famous for, excessive, idol worshiping fame caused him to lose his soul. That level of praise and unflinching devotion just isn't natural. Like how children need both a mother and father to grow into well balanced adults, adults need need to be told "NO!" when they get too big for their britches.

This is often something idealistic humans don't get until it's too late. Parents know that you can't give in to their kids all the time but for some reason, even parents figured it was OK for MJ. They grew up with him. They watched Michael Jackson rise to the top of mankind’s greatest aspirations…. Money! Fame! Power! Beauty! Talent! He was everything MTV raised children admired! We loved him so much, we handed our kids over to him! To admit that the “KING” had lost his marbles would be blasphemy! Millions consider his problems, their problems.

Although Michael Jackson had become a menace, millions (including members of that jury) felt that saying he was guilty of something as despicable as child molestation would invlove admitting they were wrong about him! Its why you fans refuse to look at this any other way. When you start shaking the foundations of firmly held beliefs, many will act like it's the end of the world before they'll change their minds.
MJ fans never were in the jury. The court does not allow for biased opinions

The decisions behind the jury outcome was impersonal and without prejudices.

You are speaking on behalf of your self and your values which didn't affect MJ's court outcome.

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BullyBully2 wrote:
It’s odd that even though Jackson made sure he was equipped with the best cameras money could buy for his interview with Martin Bashir, he didn’t have one single camera in his bedroom to capture those precious,“non-sexual” moments with his new bed mates. He said it was all pure and innocent anyway, right? Jackson tried to make it sound like what was going on behind those closed doors were nothing more than harmless sleepovers. You would think Mr. Sensitive would want to keep a scrapbook of that! A snapshot or two of him making up his bed on the floor sure would have come in handy at his criminal trial.

Oh wait! No, it wouldnÂ’t. That jury just took his word for it!

It seems to me that if they weren't fans to begin with, they certainly were easily swayed after hearing about what a huge mega-star he was! One female juror stated that the trial made him “normal” in her eyes. HUH? Normal black men don’t pay millions of dollars to look like a Caucasian woman or arrange to have multimillion-dollar checks made out to their accusers! That juror didn’t make this decision based on the law or evidence. She voted with the mindset of a typical star struck American.

Normally, a man that felt deprived of his childhood would play catch with a boy; take him to the movies or a ballgame. He sure wouldnÂ’t feel compelled to go to bed with him! ThatÂ’s something else altogether. ItÂ’s against the odds that a man would keep getting into hot water for the same thing over and over and have nothing to do with it!

The world just doesnÂ’t turn that way.
You don't think a documentary based on MJ's bedrooms and bathrooms would be a bit extreme and invasive beside being too much information?

It still would NOT have proved he was a pedophile and only provided fodder for more rumors for Haterz .

John Lennon's and Yoko's public bedroom antics didn't create peace but loads of disrespect. Sharing too much information is not appreciated because it offends the values of others.

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You fans act like the world should just accept that MJ had permission to go to bed with their children cuz HE SAID SO!

But how did he GET permission?

I think MJ had a system. Like his long term manager, Bob Jones wrote,“Michael had a sinister gift for determining which of the many children he came into contact with might be “woo-able” and whose parents could be bought off. Michael’s wooing of a young boy was embarrassing: the cooing, the hugging and holding hands. Michael Jackson and this little boy were, I dare say, in love.”

I think MJ bought certain parents off. There ain't no way a rebel like MJ would give a damn about what some dumb old parents thought! His goal was to get children AWAY from their parents!!

He asked Martin Bashir, "wouldn't you take a child to bed with you if you thought he wasn't getting enough love at home?" MB exclaimed, "NO WAY!!" MJ answered, "I would." Even before MJ had kids of his own, he thought he was a better parental figure to them than their own parents!!

There's no way in hell "THE KING" would've felt the need to ask for the permission from those dummies for ANYTHING!!
Why don't you crack down on parents that permit their children to sleep with adults instead of hounding a dead man that never was and is a threat to children?

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An obsession is never healthy behavior but it's not pedophilia.
No molestation ever happened.
But what if you are wrong?? Why be alone with children when you don't have to be?? The only people seeking to be alone with other people's children are pedophiles.

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TripleH1976 wrote:
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But what if you are wrong?? Why be alone with children when you don't have to be?? The only people seeking to be alone with other people's children are pedophiles.
That's not true., such generalist statements are dangerous and don't stop pedophilia.
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goodvibrations wrote:
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MJ fans never were in the jury. The court does not allow for biased opinions
The decisions behind the jury outcome was impersonal and without prejudices.
You are speaking on behalf of your self and your values which didn't affect MJ's court outcome.
Actually, I'm speaking on the behalf of "Ray Hultman" and "Eleanor Cook!" (Or have you just written them off as big, fat liars that don't even exist anymore?)

The New York Daily News claims that at least three jury members were convinced that Jackson was guilty before getting bullied by the rest into making the not guilty verdict unanimous. Two of them, Eleanor Cook and Ray Hultman came forward after the trial to confess that they buckled under the pressure after they were given the message that they were too small and insignificant to convict “The King!”

Cook claims there were two avid MJ defenders in that jury and as MJ fans are known to do, they ganged up against anyone that dared to think that he was anything less than perfect. How one-sided jurors managed to get seats on that jury speaks to the imperfection of our judicial system. It’s supposed to be a priority of the court to select people that are impartial to the case at hand. I assume those jurors must have had completely different demeanor during the jury selection process, but both the defense and prosecution had votes on who should or shouldn’t be allowed on that panel. How did three MJ sympathizers slip past the prosecution?

Cook claims these biased jury members came at her with arguments derived from the contention that “Our Michael would never do something awful like that!” Cook chose to bide her time until the verdict was in and then announced,“I’m speaking out now because it’s never too late to tell the truth! The others can be as angry as they want to. They ought to be ashamed. They let a pedophile go!”

Hultman added,“The thing that really got me was the fact that people just wouldn’t take their blinders off long enough to really look at all the evidence that was there. The air reeked of hatred and people were angry. I’ve never been in an atmosphere like that before. I believe that Michael Jackson probably has molested boys. I can’t believe that this man could sleep on the floor in the same bedroom for 365 straight days and not do something more than just watch TV and eat popcorn.”
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You know goodvibrations, just because you've stubbornly chosen to ignore these two and write them off as a couple of crackpots doesn't mean the rest of the world has.

Hultman and Cook were members of the jury at MJ's criminal trial and they both thought MJ was GUILTY!!

Go ahead and tell us how that doesn't matter now! You're really communicating with other MJ fans when you do that.

Of course, you haven't budged an inch in convincing the millions that don't speak your language but "who cares," right?

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