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Was MJ actively investigated by the FBI? And they found nothing?

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Jessie Pinkman

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#1 Jul 4, 2014
Jacko's lunatic fanbase loves to throw this out there as proof of his innocence. I'm almost certain it's bullshit. Any truth to these claims?

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#4 Jul 5, 2014
Yes, the FBI were brought in, but not for reasons f'loons believe. Most of the evidence was gathered, by the SBPD. Most of the FBI file, for Michael, had to do with a stalker. However, the FBI investigated Michael, to begin proceedings for a federal case, against him. The purpose was to see if he had transported children across the border.

But what the FBI did gather, in regards to the case, did not declare Michael was innocent. In 1993, the witness refused to testify. Hence, the case could not proceed. In the 2005 case, the witness refused to testify, but the person was not named. Therefore, the FBI couldn't proceed.

Anyway, what the FBI gathered raised enormous red flags and did not clear Michael's name. Namely, what were the suspicious noises, coming from Michael's compartment he shared with a young boy, that caused a canadian social worker to notify the train officer? What was on the video, titled, "Michael Jackson's Neverland Favorites An All Boy Anthology?"

Here a link to the archives, and I think you'll be able to read what got released a little more. Please bear in mind they are heavily redacted.

http://vault.fbi.gov/Michael%20Jackson

MJ Facts did some research, and these links have to do with the tape, which was in very poor condition.

http://www.mjfacts.info/resources/95a-hq-1148...

Here are the titles, and some of them were redacted.

http://www.mjfacts.info/resources/95A-HQ-1148...

MJ Facts also gave an interesting explanation. I like this site a lot.

http://www.mjfacts.info/neverland_favourites....

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#6 Jul 5, 2014
mjlover4life wrote:
Why don't you post the real FBI Files instead of them doctored mjfacts ones? there is also one from Desiree and it's Desiree Speaks another hater site where they post doctored lies on MJ
Here are the real files from the FBI what Len the Hypocrite posted are doctored by Desiree a hater
Read these ones instead they were following him since 1993 and found nothing that said them lies are true about him, They show that MJ was 100 % innocent both in 1993 and in 2005 and he's innocent now...... Don't listen to these haters they have been lying on here for 9 years. Thesefbi are from the FBI Site not them doctored files that Len the Hypocrite posted
http://www.fbi.gov/news/stories/2009/december...
Your link states the same thing .both times the fbi asked the victim to testify and was denied .this is exactly what Len said . You do know per ken lanning ( FBI expert ),mj was an aqua tai ce pedophile who selectively groomed his victims and is cautious of what evidence . Care to explain why jordie description matched or mj attorneys never objected to testimony that mj begged for kids at night . Latoya outed mj a year before any criminal allegations hit .yet, you think mj was innocent ? You can't even logically assume there is at least some smoke ? Smh

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#16 Jul 6, 2014
Hey LOOOOSER4LIFE,
Get over your feckless self.

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#17 Jul 6, 2014
mjlover4life wrote:
The case fell apart after the boy refused to testify.
If Michael was innocent, why did he “pay off” his accuser in 1993?
First of all, let’s get one thing straight. There were two cases against Michael Jackson in 1993- the criminal case and the civil case. Michael settled the civil case, reportedly paying the Chandlers $20 million.(15.3 Million actually and that money went to everyone that was paid not just Jordie) Many people say that he “paid off” his accuser but this assumption does not make sense if you take into consideration the following facts:
1) The settlement did NOT prevent the boy from testifying in the criminal trial. It makes no sense to say that Michael bought his silence. It was Jordan’s own decision not to testify.
2) If Michael wanted to pay off his accuser, why didn’t he do it at the very beginning? Evan Chandler made a demand for $20 million before authorities knew about the alleged abuse. If Michael wanted to buy their silence, like many people claim he did, why didn’t he do it right then? Before the police trashed his home, before he was publicly humiliated, before he was subjected to a dehumanizing search of his private parts? He could have bought their silence right from the get go and avoided the whole ordeal. Instead he rejected Evan Chandler’s initial demand for money. Why would a guilty man do that?
3) Even if we illogically dismiss the first two points, it still doesn’t make sense to say that Michael bought Jordan Chandler’s silence. If Michael’s plan was to settle the civil lawsuit in order to prevent the boy from cooperating with authorities in the criminal trial, wouldn’t it have been beneficial to him if the civil trial occurred first? So why did Michael Jackson file a motion asking for the criminal trial to take place first if his whole plan was to pay the boy off? If the criminal trial was first, Michael wouldn’t have had an opportunity to buy Jordan’s silence. His actions (asking for the criminal trial to precede the civil trial) are contradictory of his alleged motives (settling the civil suit to prevent the boy from testifying against him).
MJ settled for Negligence BOTH SIDES AGREED TO IT
a. Jackson asked the court for a six-year postponement of Jordie's lawsuit until the criminal statute of limitations on child molestation had expired.

b. Jackson told the court that he would take the Fifth Amendment if Jordie's lawsuit went forward.

c. Jackson asked the court not to allow the evidence gathered in the civil suit to be

turned over to the district attorney for use in a criminal trial.

Read more: http://www.mjfacts.info/primetime.php#ixzz36g...

Evan chandler cleared
"We've declined to file today criminal charges of attempted extortion," said Michael J. Montagna, a deputy Los Angeles County district attorney who heads that office's organized crime unit. "The evidence does not show that any crime has been committed.... Montagna also said that discussions between Jackson's representatives and Barry K. Rothman, the attorney for the boy's father at that time, appeared to be attempts to settle a possible civil suit, not efforts to extort money. "It's not a crime for lawyers to try to settle a civil action," Montagna said. "The law actually favors trying to settle actions without going to court."[11]

Read more: http://www.mjfacts.info/primetime.php#ixzz36g...

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#18 Jul 6, 2014
mjlover4life wrote:
Why don't you post the real FBI Files instead of them doctored mjfacts ones? there is also one from Desiree and it's Desiree Speaks another hater site where they post doctored lies on MJ
Here are the real files from the FBI what Len the Hypocrite posted are doctored by Desiree a hater
Read these ones instead they were following him since 1993 and found nothing that said them lies are true about him, They show that MJ was 100 % innocent both in 1993 and in 2005 and he's innocent now...... Don't listen to these haters they have been lying on here for 9 years. These are from the FBI Site not them doctored files that Len the Hypocrite posted
http://www.fbi.gov/news/stories/2009/december...
Thank you for bringing stupidity to a new low.

I posted the link to the FBI's site, and I'll post it, again.

http://vault.fbi.gov/Michael%20Jackson

Aside from that, the links MJ Facts has posted are not doctored. In fact, you should be grateful for the court transcripts. If you wanted them, now, you would have to pay for them. As someone who has read countless documents, they are not doctored.

I dare you to leave your f'loon sites and read the legal documents and court transcripts.

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#19 Jul 6, 2014
You wish wrote:
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a. Jackson asked the court for a six-year postponement of Jordie's lawsuit until the criminal statute of limitations on child molestation had expired.
b. Jackson told the court that he would take the Fifth Amendment if Jordie's lawsuit went forward.
c. Jackson asked the court not to allow the evidence gathered in the civil suit to be
turned over to the district attorney for use in a criminal trial.
Read more: http://www.mjfacts.info/primetime.php#ixzz36g...
Evan chandler cleared
"We've declined to file today criminal charges of attempted extortion," said Michael J. Montagna, a deputy Los Angeles County district attorney who heads that office's organized crime unit. "The evidence does not show that any crime has been committed.... Montagna also said that discussions between Jackson's representatives and Barry K. Rothman, the attorney for the boy's father at that time, appeared to be attempts to settle a possible civil suit, not efforts to extort money. "It's not a crime for lawyers to try to settle a civil action," Montagna said. "The law actually favors trying to settle actions without going to court."[11]
Read more: http://www.mjfacts.info/primetime.php#ixzz36g...
I was going to respond to the f'loons ridiculous cut-and-paste. But you have written a very eloquent post.

I'll be curious to see how the f'loon's head spins, now.

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Jessie Pinkman

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#20 Jul 6, 2014
mjlover4life wrote:
The case fell apart after the boy refused to testify.
If Michael was innocent, why did he “pay off” his accuser in 1993?
First of all, let’s get one thing straight. There were two cases against Michael Jackson in 1993- the criminal case and the civil case. Michael settled the civil case, reportedly paying the Chandlers $20 million.(15.3 Million actually and that money went to everyone that was paid not just Jordie) Many people say that he “paid off” his accuser but this assumption does not make sense if you take into consideration the following facts:
1) The settlement did NOT prevent the boy from testifying in the criminal trial. It makes no sense to say that Michael bought his silence. It was Jordan’s own decision not to testify.
2) If Michael wanted to pay off his accuser, why didn’t he do it at the very beginning? Evan Chandler made a demand for $20 million before authorities knew about the alleged abuse. If Michael wanted to buy their silence, like many people claim he did, why didn’t he do it right then? Before the police trashed his home, before he was publicly humiliated, before he was subjected to a dehumanizing search of his private parts? He could have bought their silence right from the get go and avoided the whole ordeal. Instead he rejected Evan Chandler’s initial demand for money. Why would a guilty man do that?
3) Even if we illogically dismiss the first two points, it still doesn’t make sense to say that Michael bought Jordan Chandler’s silence. If Michael’s plan was to settle the civil lawsuit in order to prevent the boy from cooperating with authorities in the criminal trial, wouldn’t it have been beneficial to him if the civil trial occurred first? So why did Michael Jackson file a motion asking for the criminal trial to take place first if his whole plan was to pay the boy off? If the criminal trial was first, Michael wouldn’t have had an opportunity to buy Jordan’s silence. His actions (asking for the criminal trial to precede the civil trial) are contradictory of his alleged motives (settling the civil suit to prevent the boy from testifying against him).
MJ settled for Negligence BOTH SIDES AGREED TO IT
Weren't those $20 million paid over a period of years? In that case, Jordan's continued cooperation in the criminal case could have voided the deal.
The burden of proof in a civil trial is a lot lower, and a loss there would have been extremely damaging to Jackson in a criminal trial.
We all know why Jackson wanted to shut the whole thing down by silencing the boy--Jordan's description matched. Showing that evidence to the world would have destroyed Jackson's career and landed him in jail. There's a reason why Jackson's lawyers fought for years to get their hands on those photos and keep it out of the courts.

Your rationalizations are weak at best.

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#22 Jul 6, 2014
mjloser4life wrote:
ROTFL

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Why did I come back here?
Nice rant, Crabby.

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Jessie Pinkman

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#23 Jul 6, 2014
Rofl, a mismatch between Jordie's description and the photos = Jacko's get out jail free card. His legal team would have BEGGED to have the evidence made public. They would have held it up for the whole world to see.

Not only did they NOT do this, they silenced the Chandler's for the 2013 equivalent of $31 million. Without the boy's cooperation, even the drawings would not have been enough to convict, which is why the case was put on hold.

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#24 Jul 6, 2014
mjloser4life wrote:
ROTFL YAPYAPYAP YAP YAP <SLAP!>...
Does PMS hurt more when you spew?

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#25 Jul 6, 2014
Reality_Awaits wrote:
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Does PMS hurt more when you spew?
I enjoy the way Crabby obsessively uses her other nics to judge posts.

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#27 Jul 6, 2014
mjloser4life wrote:
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You tell me since you are the one with PMS
ds is waste your life on Michael Jackson ers.
You were raised by carnival people, weren't you, Crabby?

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#28 Jul 6, 2014
Dworin:“We had served a search warrant to photograph Michael Jackson. Those photographs corroborated the description that the boy gave us regarding Michael Jackson’s genitals.”
Mankiewicz:“The boy was able to describe discolorations of Jackson’s skin?”
Dworin:“Yes.”
Mankiewicz:“On his genitals, accurately.”
Dworin:“Very much so.”
To hear former detective Bill Dworin tell it, that investigation convinced the police. But prosecutors wanted more evidence if they were going to charge Michael Jackson with sex crimes.
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Dworin:“They wanted the smoking gun. We could not produce the smoking gun.”
Mankiewicz:“And a smoking gun in this case would have been what, a photograph of the two of them having sex?”
Dworin:“Of course, that would be great, but we didn’t have that.”
Mankiewicz:“Did that make it impossible to go forward?”
Dworin:“It made it difficult.”
Mankiewicz:“Difficult because you never go forward without physical evidence or because the accused in this case was a huge celebrity?
Dworin:“I believe it’s because he was a huge celebrity.”
Mankiewicz:“Was Michael Jackson guilty?”
Dworin:“I believe he has a sexual interest in boys.”

http://youtu.be/panosN01Hrk

I trust a seasoned detective who is an expert in pedophillia any day over floons . A rapist doesn't rape every person,so why would mj molest every child .

Please stop the lies .

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#30 Jul 6, 2014
mjloser4life wrote:
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Really find a mate and that goes to all of you haters.You need a mate.

Find a mate ASAP Y
I heard you found a mate, and after some difficulty, they were able to separate the two of you with a cold water blast from the garden hose.

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#31 Jul 6, 2014
An NFL Fan wrote:
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I enjoy the way Crabby obsessively uses her other nics to judge posts.
It's like,..."I'll teach them!"

I'm hurt. Really.

*laughter*

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#32 Jul 6, 2014
mjlover4life wrote:
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You tell me since you are the one with PMS
What's the matter the only way you could make friends is waste your life on Michael Jackson boards? ROTFL
GET A LIFE LOSER
NFL you are an idiot, I'm ignoring your dumb @-$$ and you keep on sniffing my @-$$ ROTFL look at the judges and tell me who is judging what? comments like this makes you look dumber than you are, Really find a mate and that goes to all of you haters.You need a mate or a hobby ASAP.
unlike you losers I make a comment and let it go and get on with my life, I don't have numerous nics like haters do, because I could care less about them Judge-it's, you haters are famous for that,and having numerous nics, that and stealing other posters nics and posting as them.
you are delusional and there you go sniffing @-$$ again, can't you tell I was ignoring your ignorant @-$$? Oh but no you have to keep on rambling on don't ya?
Find a mate ASAP You need one. That is if you could satisfy a woman/man whatever floats your boat.
Now watch the Judge it's and tell me who's Judging what? Fudgen losers, all of you haters.
Translation:

"I waste my life sniffing my butt because Michael Jackson isssssss special nobody likes me I am alone and need internet friends..wah wah waugh NFL you are delusional for making me judge you you haters are fudgen looooosers WAAAAAUGHHHHH!"

Anybody have another translation?

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#33 Jul 6, 2014
mjlover4life wrote:
Jordie's description DID NOT MATCH
I take such delight in proving f'loons wrong when they mention Jordan's description. In the legal documents, there is no mention of foreskin. There is, however, quite a discussion of a blotch on Michael's penis. In fact, in this set of legal documents, the D.A. wanted to introduce Jordan's drawing and description of his wang, along with the photographs of it, because it was a match!

http://www.sbscpublicaccess.org/docs/ctdocs/0...

In Mesereau's determination to keep it out, he never denied it was a match. He said the match was only hearsay if the photos were not introduced with the child's drawing and description and vice versa. This always makes me laugh because on page 2 of the previous set of docs, the D.A. intended to introduce all of the material, together. But since these particular documents were written by your favorite defense attorney, you should click on the link and read them.

http://www.sbscpublicaccess.org/docs/ctdocs/0...

Now, despite the fact you hate MJ Facts, the court transcripts are posted. Therefore, hold your miserable breath and click onto the link to the transcripts. On page 45, Judge Melville says the match is NOT hearsay.

http://www.mjfacts.info/transcripts/Court_Tra...

You lose, again.

While we're on the subject of legal documents, I'm not surprised you refuse to click on the link to the FBI site. It would further shatter your belief it is perfectly natural for a grown man to sleep with unrelated young children.

Pedo supporter.

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#35 Jul 6, 2014
mjlover4life wrote:
You should know from experience @ NFL That the Circus people are your kin.Delusional one.
I'm not a dog like you. You are the one that will get stuck together with someone that's if your even lucky to get it wet. I'm with one partner for years and years who loves me for me I'm not looking elsewhere.
And I'm not on a forum of someone I claim to despise so much.
And @ You Wish, I would prefer to take the Jury's word for it they seen everything including them pics and everything and they found him NOT GUILTY ON ALL 14 COUNTS (4 lesser offenses) they didn't find him guilty of nothing and Sneddon threw everything including the kitchen sink at him to see what he could make stick and nothing stuck.
And the FBI who found nothing on him.
Get over yourselves and get on with your miserable lives already.
Judge On Losers because that's all you can win at because of your numerous nics. I could care less the more hate judges I get the more I know I'm pi$$ing you losers off ROTFL I take it as a badge of honor.
Honor me now
You haters are the only ones who cry about them.
Instead of raging at us, why don't you read legal documents? In fact, please post links to legal documents, backing your opinion. I have done my research, and I have found nothing exonerating Pedo Pan Wackson.

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#36 Jul 7, 2014
mjlover4life wrote:
You should know from experience @ NFL That the Circus people are your kin.Delusional one.
I'm not a dog like you. You are the one that will get stuck together with someone that's if your even lucky to get it wet. I'm with one partner for years and years who loves me for me I'm not looking elsewhere.
And I'm not on a forum of someone I claim to despise so much.
And @ You Wish, I would prefer to take the Jury's word for it they seen everything including them pics and everything and they found him NOT GUILTY ON ALL 14 COUNTS (4 lesser offenses) they didn't find him guilty of nothing and Sneddon threw everything including the kitchen sink at him to see what he could make stick and nothing stuck.
And the FBI who found nothing on him.
Get over yourselves and get on with your miserable lives already.
Judge On Losers because that's all you can win at because of your numerous nics. I could care less the more hate judges I get the more I know I'm pi$$ing you losers off ROTFL I take it as a badge of honor.
Honor me now
You haters are the only ones who cry about them.
You do realize that jordy never testified and the jury never saw the photographs and description ?
I guess you think Casey Anthony and o.j. Are innocent too? Smh

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