What Judge Melville Really Said About...

What Judge Melville Really Said About the Drawing, Description, and Photos

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“at yet more f'loonspin”

Since: Aug 11

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#1 Sep 15, 2013
F'loons insist Judge Melville wouldn't allow the drawing, description, and photos of Michael's spotted pecker into court because it would turn it into a "case within a case." But what did Melville really say? Why, it's right here, in these transcripts, from the 26th of May, 2005.

On pages 43 - 45, the judge denies admission of the evidence on grounds shyness was not an issue of his character, per 1101(b), Character Evidence, and the prejudicial impact of the evidence on the jury would outweigh the shyness issue, and the Crawford case applies to the fact Jordan would have to be cross-examined in order to admit it. This would have been Mesereau's perfect time to subpoena Jordan Chandler.

However, on page 45, the judge stated to the D.A., and I quote: "...your analysis is I think correct, I keep going through it, but I think it is not hearsay."

Obviously, Judge Melville agreed Jordan Chandler accurately drew and described the blotch on Michael's wee-wee.

The entire discussion begins with the opening of the court session and ends on page 45. On page 27, the D.A. does explain the waiver of attorney-client privacy was late.

http://www.mjfacts.info/transcripts/Court_Tra...

For those who are curious, the case Mesereau referred to is Crawford vs. Washington (2004) 541 U.S.36.53. He refers to it, on page 2.

http://www.sbscpublicaccess.org/docs/ctdocs/0...

Again, this is the D.A.'s reason for wanting to introduce the drawing, description, and photos into court, in the first place.

http://www.sbscpublicaccess.org/docs/ctdocs/0...

“Why can't you share your bed?”

Since: May 13

Canada

#2 Sep 16, 2013
Excellent work in retrieving this information Len. It confirms more, and more MJ was a sick and demented pervert. He permitted a 12 year old boy to have a up and close personal view, of his penis, to the point the boy could describe its blemished marks, while his penis was fully aroused. Sick, sick, sick.

“Why can't you share your bed?”

Since: May 13

Canada

#4 Sep 16, 2013
What's the jury going to get confused about? That Michael let Jordan view his blemished penis up close and person, and therefore he must have done the same with Gavin Arvizo??? If the evidence was in Jackson's favour. Jordan wouldn't be needed for cross-examination. The poor or inaccurate description of MJ's genitals is enough and the rumours from 1993 are dead and buried. The 2 ton gorilla from 1994 is off MJ's back.

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#6 Sep 16, 2013
MJFRIEND wrote:
Oh Quick.......please..........wi ll someone dial 911..........we are in dire need of a comprehension tudor on this forum..........the patients "nic" is Len is disgusted. Omg..... Really? WHAT melville is saying is a) it will confuse or mislead the jury. B ) the "shyness" issue is not as important than how the drawing could preudice the jury. C ) This is a big blow to len is disgusted : to enter the drawing JOrdan would have to be cross-examined , and guess what that would mean ? A CASE WITHIN A CASE just like mesereau stated.. To Len , DO YOU NEED BIFOCALS??? JORDAN REFUSED TO TESTIFY!! to Michaels fans, always read the links len puts up here because they support Michael. LEN HAS TROUBLE INTERPRETING WHAT HE/SHE READS.
Obviously, you didn't open the link to the transcripts and read them with a clear understanding of what happened - if you opened the link, at all. Melville didn't believe they would confuse the jury. The material was introduced late in the trial, under Section 1101(b), Character Evidence, instead of Section 1108, Prior Bad Acts. Therefore, it would be more sensational than worthwhile,even if Michael's character of be of a "shy and modest nature" were to be brought up, at that point.

You also avoided the fact Judge Melville agreed Jordan accurately drew and described Michael's penis. I've seen f'loons like you claim Melville either did not see the material and couldn't validate they were a match or wouldn't allow them in court because they were not a match or thought they would create a "case within a case." Here's your proof the judge did see them and did acknowledge it was a match.

Given the fact Mesereau wanted to keep key witnesses out of the courtroom, the correct question you should is ask why he did not take advantage of giving Jordan a subpoena and cross-examining him.

http://www.sbscpublicaccess.org/docs/ctdocs/0...

If you are convinced Jordan refused to testify, please post a link, to legal documents. Otherwise, it's obvious he was not subpoenaed.

You're stupidity is trying my patience even more than Goodvibrations, something I never thought possible.

“at yet more f'loonspin”

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#7 Sep 16, 2013
MJFRIEND wrote:
TO TRIPLEH : The jury would be confused as to who's story are they hearing? Jordys? Or gavins? ONE CANNOT INFLUENCE THE OTHER.. mesereau did a superb job focusing , sticking to the facts regarding gavins "alledged claims of abuse." and keeping the spotlight on gavin. Immaculate and precise job by mesereau
Meserau did not stick to the facts. He turned the case into a trial about the mother's character and successfully sidestepped the case was really about whether or not Michael molested Gavin.

Get your facts straight.
FOREVER MICHAEL

London, UK

#8 Sep 16, 2013
You would have to admit here the real Victim
Was Michael Jackson.he hasnt done anything to anybody.the only thing he was guilty of his being a good man.you have no reason to judge him.what the poor mans been through with all the Lies and garbadge.dont forget Michael had a swimming pool there it was all innocent with boys and gjrls there staff adults Michael was a child at heart.thats what happens when your childhoods taken away from you.I know Michaels innocent thats why I will defend him.and stand by him.because he is amazing caring genuine kind wonderful man..with a gentle heart
I just love that man
I Love you gorgeous sweet Michael Jackson.and always will

“at yet more f'loonspin”

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#9 Sep 16, 2013
FOREVER MICHAEL wrote:
You would have to admit here the real Victim
Was Michael Jackson.he hasnt done anything to anybody.the only thing he was guilty of his being a good man.you have no reason to judge him.what the poor mans been through with all the Lies and garbadge.dont forget Michael had a swimming pool there it was all innocent with boys and gjrls there staff adults Michael was a child at heart.thats what happens when your childhoods taken away from you.I know Michaels innocent thats why I will defend him.and stand by him.because he is amazing caring genuine kind wonderful man..with a gentle heart
I just love that man
I Love you gorgeous sweet Michael Jackson.and always will
Funny you should mention the swimming pool. Two people witnessed Michael first taking to the waters to a young boy, before bringing him into the changing room for a blow job.

http://www.sbscpublicaccess.org/docs/ctdocs/1...

http://www.sbscpublicaccess.org/docs/ctdocs/0...

Unless you have legal proof, backing your claims, I suggest you keep your spam on a f'loon site.

“Why can't you share your bed?”

Since: May 13

Canada

#10 Sep 17, 2013
FOREVER MICHAEL wrote:
You would have to admit here the real Victim
Was Michael Jackson.he hasnt done anything to anybody.the only thing he was guilty of his being a good man.you have no reason to judge him.what the poor mans been through with all the Lies and garbadge.dont forget Michael had a swimming pool there it was all innocent with boys and gjrls there staff adults Michael was a child at heart.thats what happens when your childhoods taken away from you.I know Michaels innocent thats why I will defend him.and stand by him.because he is amazing caring genuine kind wonderful man..with a gentle heart
I just love that man
I Love you gorgeous sweet Michael Jackson.and always will
Swimming pools are perfect places for pedophiles to make small advances at young girls and boys. I'm certain Michael Jackson ogled at little boys there. I recall defrocked pedophile priest, John Geoghan, was found guilty of sexual battery for touching the buttocks of a young boy at a swimming pool in Massachusetts. John Geoghan was later straggled to death by Joseph Druce a homophobe sentenced to life for a murder of gay man, whom he believed made a pass at him. Druce for months had eyes on Geoghan as a "prize" to earn for taking him out.
Down with Child Haterz

UK

#11 Sep 17, 2013
Len is Disgusted wrote:
F'loons insist Judge Melville wouldn't allow the drawing, description, and photos of Michael's spotted pecker into court because it would turn it into a "case within a case." But what did Melville really say? Why, it's right here, in these transcripts, from the 26th of May, 2005.
On pages 43 - 45, the judge denies admission of the evidence on grounds shyness was not an issue of his character, per 1101(b), Character Evidence, and the prejudicial impact of the evidence on the jury would outweigh the shyness issue, and the Crawford case applies to the fact Jordan would have to be cross-examined in order to admit it. This would have been Mesereau's perfect time to subpoena Jordan Chandler.
However, on page 45, the judge stated to the D.A., and I quote: "...your analysis is I think correct, I keep going through it, but I think it is not hearsay."
Obviously, Judge Melville agreed Jordan Chandler accurately drew and described the blotch on Michael's wee-wee.
The entire discussion begins with the opening of the court session and ends on page 45. On page 27, the D.A. does explain the waiver of attorney-client privacy was late.
http://www.mjfacts.info/transcripts/Court_Tra...
For those who are curious, the case Mesereau referred to is Crawford vs. Washington (2004) 541 U.S.36.53. He refers to it, on page 2.
http://www.sbscpublicaccess.org/docs/ctdocs/0...
Again, this is the D.A.'s reason for wanting to introduce the drawing, description, and photos into court, in the first place.
http://www.sbscpublicaccess.org/docs/ctdocs/0...
Excellent research there, Len.

So, it definitely wasn't a case of it becoming "a case within a case" as the child hating f'loon's claim.

And it's good to know, Judge Melville didn't rejected it because of Mesereau "hearsay" claim.

I would say, that is it. There is absolutely nothing else, child hating f'loon's can come up with.

Is a 100% fact, Jordan Chandler's description of Wacko's penis was spot on, literally.

“at yet more f'loonspin”

Since: Aug 11

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#12 Sep 17, 2013
Down with Child Haterz wrote:
<quoted text>
Excellent research there, Len.
So, it definitely wasn't a case of it becoming "a case within a case" as the child hating f'loon's claim.
And it's good to know, Judge Melville didn't rejected it because of Mesereau "hearsay" claim.
I would say, that is it. There is absolutely nothing else, child hating f'loon's can come up with.
Is a 100% fact, Jordan Chandler's description of Wacko's penis was spot on, literally.
What I find interesting is the way f'loons could have easily said bringing in Jason Francia to talk about how he was sexually abused by Michael could have turned it into a case within a case. But they overlook that bit of information. Then again, Michael's rabid fans aren't known for intelligence.

“Why can't you share your bed?”

Since: May 13

Canada

#13 Sep 17, 2013
Len is Disgusted wrote:
<quoted text>What I find interesting is the way f'loons could have easily said bringing in Jason Francia to talk about how he was sexually abused by Michael could have turnedes it into a case within a case. But they overlook that bit of information. Then again, Michael's rabid fans aren't known for intelligence.
The idiots require Tom Mesereau to use smoke and mirrors and window dress the incriminating things on Wacko Jacko. Mesereau accomplishes that and they slurp it up. No regard for the other side.
FOREVER MICHAEL

UK

#14 Sep 17, 2013
When are you going to listen to the truth. Michael Jackson is innocent..a detective stood with a note pad taking down every last detail.none of the markings on MJ body matched jordies description.in fact the imagination bore no resemblance...all this judgeing is for greed money and Jealousy.all load garbadge.I know how Michael treated people
I know whats in his heart
Michael was s good man with a heart of gold.
I love that gentle caring man so much.we are so proud of you MJ for being you
How you cared for the planet you made the lifes better for children animals cared about people all over the world greatest entertainer of all time greatest man that ever lived super talented genius with voice of angel.hero inspiration the most wonderful man if mj was still here I would do any thing to have him back with us I trust him with my Life.missing you my angel
I LOVE YOU SO MUCH SWEET MJ

“at yet more f'loonspin”

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#15 Sep 18, 2013
FOREVER MICHAEL wrote:
When are you going to listen to the truth. Michael Jackson is innocent..a detective stood with a note pad taking down every last detail.none of the markings on MJ body matched jordies description.in fact the imagination bore no resemblance...
Utter nonsense. Everyone who saw the drawing, description, and photos said the child was accurate. Even Judge Melville agreed. Why don't you take up this discussion with him?

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#16 Sep 19, 2013
Len is Disgusted wrote:
<quoted text>
What I find interesting is the way f'loons could have easily said bringing in Jason Francia to talk about how he was sexually abused by Michael could have turned it into a case within a case. But they overlook that bit of information. Then again, Michael's rabid fans aren't known for intelligence.
Plus Jordie's mother and anybody who testified against Pedo Pan, regarding the earlier abuse allegations.

Floons are so in the dark they are not even aware past allegations are allowed to be used in a Californian court of law.

A "case within a case." What case within a case? Floons are so damn stupid.
FOREVER MICHAEL

London, UK

#17 Sep 19, 2013
Get your facts correct.a detective stood with a note pad.taking down every last detail.none of the markings.on Michaels body matched.Jordans description. In fact the Imagination bore no resemblance to the actuality.and what about.Evan chandlers taped conversation.no one would Listen to Michael when they held it in the press confersation playing back evan chandlers taped conversation it came across loud and clear evan said I will get every thing I want.he said if I go through with this.I will win big time.and Michael will be destroyed forever.Evan said Michael Jackson ..is gonna be humiliated beyond belief.evan said.you'll not believe.he will not believe.whats going to happen to him.beyond his worst nightmare.even said he will make sure he wont sale another record.a father was using his own son to extort money.it was only for money and greed.thats why more childrens parents lied to get money.and sneddon the snake came on live tv told children to come forward.sneddon took jibes at MJ every moment.because he was Jealous.and wanted credit for nailing the biggest singer.he really set him up big time.how much more can that man go through
You know that Ill always love you my sweet Angel
Michael Jackson.and missing you so much
R.I.P

Since: Jul 13

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#18 Sep 19, 2013
FOREVER MICHAEL wrote:
Get your facts correct.a detective stood with a note pad.taking down every last detail.none of the markings.on Michaels body matched.Jordans description. In fact the Imagination bore no resemblance to the actuality.and what about.Evan chandlers taped conversation.no one would Listen to Michael when they held it in the press confersation playing back evan chandlers taped conversation it came across loud and clear evan said I will get every thing I want.he said if I go through with this.I will win big time.and Michael will be destroyed forever.Evan said Michael Jackson ..is gonna be humiliated beyond belief.evan said.you'll not believe.he will not believe.whats going to happen to him.beyond his worst nightmare.even said he will make sure he wont sale another record.a father was using his own son to extort money.it was only for money and greed.thats why more childrens parents lied to get money.and sneddon the snake came on live tv told children to come forward.sneddon took jibes at MJ every moment.because he was Jealous.and wanted credit for nailing the biggest singer.he really set him up big time.how much more can that man go through
You know that Ill always love you my sweet Angel
Michael Jackson.and missing you so much R.I.P
If you read the whole transcript of Evans taped conversation you would also know Evan said ''He took advantage of my son'' & ''Im doing this for my son''. They simply took a small unfortunate section of that tape and used it against Evan. The whole tape however proves Evan believed MJ abused his son.

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#19 Sep 19, 2013
FOREVER MICHAEL wrote:
Get your facts correct.a detective stood with a note pad.taking down every last detail.none of the markings.on Michaels body matched.Jordans description. In fact the Imagination bore no resemblance to the actuality.and what about.Evan chandlers taped conversation.no one would Listen to Michael when they held it in the press confersation playing back evan chandlers taped conversation it came across loud and clear evan said I will get every thing I want.he said if I go through with this.I will win big time.and Michael will be destroyed forever.Evan said Michael Jackson ..is gonna be humiliated beyond belief.evan said.you'll not believe.he will not believe.whats going to happen to him.beyond his worst nightmare.even said he will make sure he wont sale another record.a father was using his own son to extort money.it was only for money and greed.thats why more childrens parents lied to get money.and sneddon the snake came on live tv told children to come forward.sneddon took jibes at MJ every moment.because he was Jealous.and wanted credit for nailing the biggest singer.he really set him up big time.how much more can that man go through
You know that Ill always love you my sweet Angel
Michael Jackson.and missing you so much
R.I.P
If you think they didn't match, then talk to Judge Melville who said they DID match. He might be able to help you finally get your own facts straight. In addition, Larry Feldman said Michael insisted Evan and June receive some of the settlement money to hush them. He discussed this on pages 385-389.

http://www.mjfacts.info/transcripts/Court%20T...

In spite of Pellicano badly editing the tape, I thought Evan Chandler came across as a distraught parent because his son had been abused.

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#21 Sep 21, 2013
MJFRIEND wrote:
Common sense folks , why would mesereau waste his time and energy cross-examining jordy, researching jordy and using valuable time researching what took place in 1992. Do you understand what it would have entailed for mesereau to focus on jordy his character, his life etc......... When his energy time and focus had to be on gavin and his family? JANET ARVIZO was integral to the court proceedings because mesereau was explaining to the jury that janet raised gavin and starr to lie under oath. Gavin told the jury he lied under oath in the jc penney case. Mesereau did a superb job proving to the jury that the arvizo family was a dysfunctional family and that jackson was a new victim in their web. NO PROSECUTER would have taken a case like this to trial , especially with a family like the arvizos.
I recommend you either use common sense or gain common sense. The trial was about whether or not Michael molested Gavin. It wasn't about Janet. What happened to Jordan should have been introduced, at the beginning, under Section 1108, Prior Bad Acts. That's what brought Jason Francia into the courtroom.

How interesting, though, that now you have been shown the proof Jordan accurately described Michael's genitals, you're trying to spin it into a question of his character. Your god was a drug-addicted pedophile.
FOREVER MICHAEL

London, UK

#22 Sep 22, 2013
You must be very brainwashed and weak to spread all this gossip and Lies about.our Angel MJ
You know the drawing never matched..it was all set up by sneddon to make Michael look bad.he was out to get him..it was only for money and greed..sneddon asked people to come forward.they couldnt find one thing on him biggest set up in history

And to spread garbadge about someone who is no longer here to defend himself thats very sad

Yes Michael was a child at heart.thats what happens when your childhoods taken away from you..but he has never done anything wrong to anybody..and he never said one bad word about anybody..he just held his head up high and got on with his Life.no matter how much pain he was in how much all this hurt him..he was found not guilty and cleared his name..thats the end of that
Michael innocent

Maybe Sneddon and others were Jealous of Michael lets face it he was a very good looking man
Men wanted to be him?
Girls wanted to be with him?
And he was super talented genius

You judged Michael so wrong..he never new you
You never knew him..so just leave him alone
And the medication he took was from the doctors
He had burns from the pepsi ad and also he had a bad skin condition Vitiligo..and was diagnosed with mild form of the auto immune disease lupus.and because whe creep sneddon done he couldnt sleep..and needed them to sleep he thought they were ok they were from the doctor
He trusted the doctor
Leave Michael to have some peace give him a break..give him the credit and respect he deserves

I know what sort person Michael was Like and what was in his heart..and how he treated people
I know how I feel about him.
He was a good wonderful caring man with his genorisity and care for people
I would trust that man with my Life

Michael just seeing your gorgeous face..face of an angel..and you sweet smile..and your beautiful eyes we just melt..and LISTENing to your voice cheers us up for the rest of the day
I will defend that man and always be there for him
And he will always have me to love him and billions fans across the world

Michael my guardian angel...wishing my sweet MJ was still here...it will never be the same without him he made the world a better place

Missing you MJ
With all my heart I Love you Michael Jackson
My sweet Angel

Since: Jul 13

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#24 Sep 22, 2013
MJFRIEND wrote:
TO LEN IS DISGUSTED : i would think snedden would have grabbed jordy's accusation immediately at the beginning of the trial. WHY DIDNT SNEDDEN USE THIS UNDER PRIOR BAD ACTS ? this was no accident, if snedded brought this in then messereau had the extortion tape of evan chandler to play for the jury which would have coincided with meserau's defense that people always used michael for money. EVAN CHANDLERS TAPE WOULD HAVE BACKED MICHAELS DEFENSE THAT PEOPLE WERE ALWAYS TRYING TO USE HIM. the D A left the drawing out in return for mesereau not using the evan chandler extortion tape. in court. LEN YOU ARE STUPID, CORRECT?
Actually Evans tape would not do Mesereau a very good favour. The tape proved that Evan was angry at what MJ had done and that he was deeply upset. He referred to his son many times, and referred to the abuse he had endured from Michael.

You should stop making information up. I understand this is common with MJ fans but its becoming tedious

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