James Safechuck Claims Michael Jackson Kept Him Out Of School To Molest Him

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James Safechuck Claims Michael Jackson Kept Him Out Of School To Molest Him Posted by Joseph Lee on 05.14.2014 Some more details on the accusation... TMZ reports that James Safechuck has provided more details on his claim that Michael Jackson molested him as a child.

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Octopus

Schenectady, NY

#429 Jun 13, 2014
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Since: Mar 14

UK

#432 Jun 14, 2014
Octopus wrote:
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Debra Lafave had sex with a boy four times and only served probation. To add to the outrage, she was taken off the sex offender register recently.
Much like many other male and female abusers then. Maybe they don't get the same coverage because they're not considered beautiful? I fact, I guess you could argue that her looks actually went against her rather than for her because if she was a plain Jane, she'd probably be anonymous to all but those who were directly involved.
Octopus

Schenectady, NY

#433 Jun 15, 2014
Jina Wild_ wrote:
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Much like many other male and female abusers then. Maybe they don't get the same coverage because they're not considered beautiful? I fact, I guess you could argue that her looks actually went against her rather than for her because if she was a plain Jane, she'd probably be anonymous to all but those who were directly involved.
Actually, all pedophiles should get harsher sentences but women school teachers on a whole seem to be getting away with not being punished like they should. It is not just the fact on being accused, they admit to their crimes. I've found a list of fifty woman and most of them had very little jail time for their sexual offences as compared with men, who would certainly be locked up. I do not think most in society take female sex abusers as seriously as males. Granted, male pedophiles can get out of prison too soon. The laws need to be changed to make their punishments more servere. A lot of the women have children with their victims. They can use that fact to avoid serving time in prison. Very interesting. Most people think of sex offenders, child molesters or pedophiles as monsters. They do not think of beautiful blonde female school teachers like Pamela Rodgers or Debra Lafave. I think little girls molested by male pedophiles definitely has more of an outrage factor compared to boy victims within the general public. It should not be that way. A crime is a crime.

Since: Mar 14

UK

#437 Jun 15, 2014
Octopus wrote:
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Actually, all pedophiles should get harsher sentences but women school teachers on a whole seem to be getting away with not being punished like they should. It is not just the fact on being accused, they admit to their crimes. I've found a list of fifty woman and most of them had very little jail time for their sexual offences as compared with men, who would certainly be locked up. I do not think most in society take female sex abusers as seriously as males. Granted, male pedophiles can get out of prison too soon. The laws need to be changed to make their punishments more servere. A lot of the women have children with their victims. They can use that fact to avoid serving time in prison. Very interesting. Most people think of sex offenders, child molesters or pedophiles as monsters. They do not think of beautiful blonde female school teachers like Pamela Rodgers or Debra Lafave. I think little girls molested by male pedophiles definitely has more of an outrage factor compared to boy victims within the general public. It should not be that way. A crime is a crime.
All paedophiles should receive harsh sentences or all child molesters should?
Octopus

Schenectady, NY

#438 Jun 15, 2014
Jina Wild_ wrote:
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All paedophiles should receive harsh sentences or all child molesters should?
From what I've read, not all pedophiles exactly act upon their desires but in order to be called a pedophile, a person would have to be either a child molester or/and desire to look at kiddie porn. I would think since both are illegal, harsher sentences would definitely discourage the adult from lusting after children. I would even suggest the death penalty for repeat offenders. From what I am reading, the current child molestation laws are not tough enough. As far as women pedophiles go, their punishments are a joke. I would make a zero tolerance policy on those convicted of any crime against a child by any adult. It might not stop them all, but it would certainly curb their bold aggressive attitude towards what they do. It seems like a lot of these people have no shame even. The only way to combat that is to make sure they pay for their crimes. BTW, I've read that MTV even wanted to give one child molesting woman her own reality show. Some people obviously are not taking pedophilia or child molestation seriously anymore. They want to reward the pedophile while the child remains the victim that is seriously affected for the rest of their lives by their actions.

Since: Jun 13

Wilson, NC

#439 Jun 15, 2014
I don't agree, Octopus. No one has been charged with being a pedophile. You can only be charged if you act upon your fantasies of desiring a child, i.e., child molesting. But of course, like what has been said, pedophilia (whose attraction goes from 0-12) and child molestation (the act of sexually abusing/harming a child between 0-17, or 0-14 and 0-16 in some states) are not naturally exclusive.

It'll be wrong to assume people like R. Kelly, Chuck Berry, Jerry Lee Lewis, Roman Polanski and Jimmy Page were pedophiles since their victims or alleged victims were over 12 (R. Kelly had a history of sexually abusing girls between the ages of 14 and 17; Chuck Berry was charged with the Mann Act with a 14-year-old, Jerry Lee Lewis married his 13-year-old fourth cousin, twice removed, Roman's victim was 13 and Jimmy's victims were 14). But you can argue that they were child molesters.

But people like Woody Allen (infatuation with Dylan Farrow between ages of 5 and 8), MJ (7-12 were his ages of preference though in some cases, like Jordan Chandler and Gavin Arvizo, they were each 13), Ian Watkins (he raped babies), Jimmy Savile (though most of his victims were over 14, he had molested children under 13, the youngest was 2) and Gary Glitter would fit under the word "pedophile" as well as "child molester" allegedly or not.

Pedophilia is considered a mental illness. And as far as I know, no one can be arrested for a mental illness.

Since: Mar 14

UK

#440 Jun 15, 2014
Octopus wrote:
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From what I've read, not all pedophiles exactly act upon their desires but in order to be called a pedophile, a person would have to be either a child molester or/and desire to look at kiddie porn. I would think since both are illegal, harsher sentences would definitely discourage the adult from lusting after children. I would even suggest the death penalty for repeat offenders. From what I am reading, the current child molestation laws are not tough enough. As far as women pedophiles go, their punishments are a joke. I would make a zero tolerance policy on those convicted of any crime against a child by any adult. It might not stop them all, but it would certainly curb their bold aggressive attitude towards what they do. It seems like a lot of these people have no shame even. The only way to combat that is to make sure they pay for their crimes. BTW, I've read that MTV even wanted to give one child molesting woman her own reality show. Some people obviously are not taking pedophilia or child molestation seriously anymore. They want to reward the pedophile while the child remains the victim that is seriously affected for the rest of their lives by their actions.
No, not all paedophiles molest children or look at child abuse imagery. There are such people as inactive paedophiles - as far as they go, how would you propose imprisoning them for their thoughts?
Octopus

Schenectady, NY

#442 Jun 15, 2014
Jina Wild_ wrote:
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No, not all paedophiles molest children or look at child abuse imagery. There are such people as inactive paedophiles - as far as they go, how would you propose imprisoning them for their thoughts?
Inactive pedophiles that have the decency to keep their filthy thoughts to themselves and have a conscience that tells them that it is wrong, is a superior human being. No one can imprison them if they keep their noses clean because they care about others and do not want to harm kids or other people. However, child molesting clown's like Michael Jackson and Gary Glitter were selfish narcissists, who did not care.
Octopus

Schenectady, NY

#443 Jun 15, 2014
BadMan84 wrote:
I don't agree, Octopus. No one has been charged with being a pedophile. You can only be charged if you act upon your fantasies of desiring a child, i.e., child molesting. But of course, like what has been said, pedophilia (whose attraction goes from 0-12) and child molestation (the act of sexually abusing/harming a child between 0-17, or 0-14 and 0-16 in some states) are not naturally exclusive.
It'll be wrong to assume people like R. Kelly, Chuck Berry, Jerry Lee Lewis, Roman Polanski and Jimmy Page were pedophiles since their victims or alleged victims were over 12 (R. Kelly had a history of sexually abusing girls between the ages of 14 and 17; Chuck Berry was charged with the Mann Act with a 14-year-old, Jerry Lee Lewis married his 13-year-old fourth cousin, twice removed, Roman's victim was 13 and Jimmy's victims were 14). But you can argue that they were child molesters.
But people like Woody Allen (infatuation with Dylan Farrow between ages of 5 and 8), MJ (7-12 were his ages of preference though in some cases, like Jordan Chandler and Gavin Arvizo, they were each 13), Ian Watkins (he raped babies), Jimmy Savile (though most of his victims were over 14, he had molested children under 13, the youngest was 2) and Gary Glitter would fit under the word "pedophile" as well as "child molester" allegedly or not.
Pedophilia is considered a mental illness. And as far as I know, no one can be arrested for a mental illness.
Woody Allen and Gary Glitter are perhaps the biggest celebrity scum bag pedophile child molesters that are still perverted enough to be a danger to children. Jimmy Page, Jerry Lee Lewis, Chuck Berry or even Bill Wyman might have made errors in judgements in years past but are obviously not repeat offenders. I would not know about Ted Nugent, Don Henley, R Kelly or Roman Polanski. The rest are dead or in prison like that hideous, Ian Watkins.

“at yet more f'loonspin”

Since: Aug 11

I live far away from f'loons

#446 Jun 15, 2014
BadMan84 wrote:
I don't agree, Octopus. No one has been charged with being a pedophile. You can only be charged if you act upon your fantasies of desiring a child, i.e., child molesting. But of course, like what has been said, pedophilia (whose attraction goes from 0-12) and child molestation (the act of sexually abusing/harming a child between 0-17, or 0-14 and 0-16 in some states) are not naturally exclusive.
It'll be wrong to assume people like R. Kelly, Chuck Berry, Jerry Lee Lewis, Roman Polanski and Jimmy Page were pedophiles since their victims or alleged victims were over 12 (R. Kelly had a history of sexually abusing girls between the ages of 14 and 17; Chuck Berry was charged with the Mann Act with a 14-year-old, Jerry Lee Lewis married his 13-year-old fourth cousin, twice removed, Roman's victim was 13 and Jimmy's victims were 14). But you can argue that they were child molesters.
But people like Woody Allen (infatuation with Dylan Farrow between ages of 5 and 8), MJ (7-12 were his ages of preference though in some cases, like Jordan Chandler and Gavin Arvizo, they were each 13), Ian Watkins (he raped babies), Jimmy Savile (though most of his victims were over 14, he had molested children under 13, the youngest was 2) and Gary Glitter would fit under the word "pedophile" as well as "child molester" allegedly or not.
Pedophilia is considered a mental illness. And as far as I know, no one can be arrested for a mental illness.
R. Kelly, Chuck Berry, Jerry Lee Lewis, Roman Polanski, and Jimmy Page are considered hebephiles. Roman Polanski is definitely a repeat offender. He had an "affair" with Nastassja Kinski when she was still a teenager. He obviously likes older children. We also don't know how many children he diddled before he finally got caught. From what you wrote, it sounds like R. Kelly is a serial hebephile, goo.

“at yet more f'loonspin”

Since: Aug 11

I live far away from f'loons

#447 Jun 15, 2014
Correcton: "too", not "goo."

Since: Jun 13

Wilson, NC

#448 Jun 15, 2014
Len is Disgusted wrote:
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R. Kelly, Chuck Berry, Jerry Lee Lewis, Roman Polanski, and Jimmy Page are considered hebephiles. Roman Polanski is definitely a repeat offender. He had an "affair" with Nastassja Kinski when she was still a teenager. He obviously likes older children. We also don't know how many children he diddled before he finally got caught. From what you wrote, it sounds like R. Kelly is a serial hebephile, too.
That's the name: hebephile. Ephebophiles go for 15-16 year-olds. I had to read on the definition. R. Kelly was definitely a serial hebephile. But he also occasionally went for 15-16-year-olds too. You're right about the rest. Gary Glitter seems to be a hebephile judging from what he's in trouble with, as most of his victims were between 11 and 14 at the time he allegedly molested/raped them. And yeah Roman abused Nastassja Kinski too.
Octopus

Schenectady, NY

#449 Jun 15, 2014
BadMan84 wrote:
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That's the name: hebephile. Ephebophiles go for 15-16 year-olds. I had to read on the definition. R. Kelly was definitely a serial hebephile. But he also occasionally went for 15-16-year-olds too. You're right about the rest. Gary Glitter seems to be a hebephile judging from what he's in trouble with, as most of his victims were between 11 and 14 at the time he allegedly molested/raped them. And yeah Roman abused Nastassja Kinski too.
It is interesting that Nastassja Kinski had a child with no other than Quincy Jones but they never married. Her father was definitely a child molester that molested her sister from age five to nineteen but Nastassja denies that he did anything sexual to her. She also denied that she ever had a romantic relationship when she was fifteen with then, forty-three year old Roman Polanski, though other sources claim that she did. Anyway, Polanski had a couple really tramatic experiences in his life with his mother being murdered by the Nazis as a child and later on when Charles Manson's family murdered his wife Sharon Tate and their unborn baby. It does not make what he did right when he raped a thirteen year old girl and took off to France but his victim says she has forgiven him. I tried to goggle any proof of Polanski being seen with two twelve year old girls in Asia. I could not find anything. I know he is married to an adult actress that has appeared in a couple of his more recent films.

Gary Glitter is straight out creepy.

Since: Jun 13

Wilson, NC

#450 Jun 16, 2014
^ That's like excusing the torment MJ went through though. Just because he and MJ suffered badly don't mean their crimes are excusable, as you yourself admit about Roman. But just to clarify, not everyone who had bad lives growing up go on to do bad things like, abuse underage youth (in any kind of way). Doubt Samantha Geimer is the only girl Roman messed with. I seriously doubt that. Where there's smoke, there's fire.

“at yet more f'loonspin”

Since: Aug 11

I live far away from f'loons

#451 Jun 16, 2014
BadMan84 wrote:
^ That's like excusing the torment MJ went through though. Just because he and MJ suffered badly don't mean their crimes are excusable, as you yourself admit about Roman. But just to clarify, not everyone who had bad lives growing up go on to do bad things like, abuse underage youth (in any kind of way). Doubt Samantha Geimer is the only girl Roman messed with. I seriously doubt that. Where there's smoke, there's fire.
There was a woman whose sister worked in Polanski's office, before he left the country. She said it was known he had an unhealthy interest in young girls. She's also the same person who said she saw Polanski with the two twelve-year-old girls in East Asia.

I think it is healthy for Samantha Geimer to have forgiven him and moved on. When she talks about the incident, she still shakes and her voice trembles. But she obviously went to therapy and has moved forward.

“at yet more f'loonspin”

Since: Aug 11

I live far away from f'loons

#452 Jun 16, 2014
Octopus wrote:
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It is interesting that Nastassja Kinski had a child with no other than Quincy Jones but they never married. Her father was definitely a child molester that molested her sister from age five to nineteen but Nastassja denies that he did anything sexual to her. She also denied that she ever had a romantic relationship when she was fifteen with then, forty-three year old Roman Polanski, though other sources claim that she did. Anyway, Polanski had a couple really tramatic experiences in his life with his mother being murdered by the Nazis as a child and later on when Charles Manson's family murdered his wife Sharon Tate and their unborn baby. It does not make what he did right when he raped a thirteen year old girl and took off to France but his victim says she has forgiven him. I tried to goggle any proof of Polanski being seen with two twelve year old girls in Asia. I could not find anything. I know he is married to an adult actress that has appeared in a couple of his more recent films.
Gary Glitter is straight out creepy.
Somebody on another forum wrote about Polanski. I'm more inclined to believe it because I originally found out Michael was guilty, by word of mouth. The legal documents and court transcripts backed it. Let's look at what Polanski did. He groomed her, as any pedophile or hebephile would. He gained the trust of her mother, he photographed Samantha in order to gain her trust, by doing nothing, then after he photographed her, again, he drugged her and raped her. That he sexually abused Nastassja Kinski shows he did not learn his lesson. Just because nobody else has stepped forward doesn't mean those are the only two. That there ARE two shows a pattern.
Octopus

Schenectady, NY

#454 Jun 16, 2014
BadMan84 wrote:
^ That's like excusing the torment MJ went through though. Just because he and MJ suffered badly don't mean their crimes are excusable, as you yourself admit about Roman. But just to clarify, not everyone who had bad lives growing up go on to do bad things like, abuse underage youth (in any kind of way). Doubt Samantha Geimer is the only girl Roman messed with. I seriously doubt that. Where there's smoke, there's fire.
I am not excusing Roman Polanski. I just pointed out that he had obvious physiological issues in his past that might have triggered the violent rape towards his thirteen year old victim back in 1977. And if Roman Polanski did have an affair with Nastassja Kinski, she is denying that it ever happened. I can only go by want I've read. Since the filthy clown was only beaten by Joseph Jackson, it is not as bad as seeing your mother murdered, being hidden from the Nazis, probably abused by priests as a Jewish boy pretending to be Roman Catholic, then having his wife and unborn child slaughtered by Charles Manson's family years later. He suffered depression and other problems. I do not know why Polanski drugged and raped the girl or what caused him to do that sudden outburst. He could still be a pedophile or maybe he got professional help. I would not know. I understand and am definitely aware that Polanski could very well have other victims, we do not know about.
Octopus

Schenectady, NY

#455 Jun 16, 2014
Len is Disgusted wrote:
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Somebody on another forum wrote about Polanski. I'm more inclined to believe it because I originally found out Michael was guilty, by word of mouth. The legal documents and court transcripts backed it. Let's look at what Polanski did. He groomed her, as any pedophile or hebephile would. He gained the trust of her mother, he photographed Samantha in order to gain her trust, by doing nothing, then after he photographed her, again, he drugged her and raped her. That he sexually abused Nastassja Kinski shows he did not learn his lesson. Just because nobody else has stepped forward doesn't mean those are the only two. That there ARE two shows a pattern.
We really do not know for certain if Polanski was seen in Southeast Asia with two twelve year old girls. I am certainly not defending Roman Polanski. He did wrong and fled to France to avoid punishment at the time. But since then, he has apologized to his victim and has paid civil damages. At least, he admitted his crime and took some responsibility for his actions. I would not know if he has learned his lesson or not. If he is still considered a pedophile, it is because of his past actions. I would not know if Nastassja Kinski continues to cover up a romantic affair with Polanski in 1979 or not. I was not there. I know that Roman Polanski directed her movie, "Tess" that won numerous critical aclaim and awards. Nothing about sexual abuse.

Since: Jun 13

Wilson, NC

#456 Jun 16, 2014
Octopus wrote:
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I am not excusing Roman Polanski. I just pointed out that he had obvious physiological issues in his past that might have triggered the violent rape towards his thirteen year old victim back in 1977. And if Roman Polanski did have an affair with Nastassja Kinski, she is denying that it ever happened. I can only go by want I've read. Since the filthy clown was only beaten by Joseph Jackson, it is not as bad as seeing your mother murdered, being hidden from the Nazis, probably abused by priests as a Jewish boy pretending to be Roman Catholic, then having his wife and unborn child slaughtered by Charles Manson's family years later. He suffered depression and other problems. I do not know why Polanski drugged and raped the girl or what caused him to do that sudden outburst. He could still be a pedophile or maybe he got professional help. I would not know. I understand and am definitely aware that Polanski could very well have other victims, we do not know about.
That was my point. Roman's tactics were very similar to what Michael has been said he did with the children around him. Being nice and having the parents expect nothing, then groomed them to the point they're comfortable enough to have the adult touch them, and then do anything they can with them until they realize it's too late. A part of me believes MJ suffered more than just his father's physical and emotional abuse, his religion (and probably the community he lived in) forced him to be silent about whatever wrong was done to him as a child. I can't compare their situations but it seems that the both of them knew nothing but torture and in turn became the abuser because they couldn't or didn't want to be counseled. The illnesses that both of them had ate them up and they turn into the very people they despised.
Octopus

Schenectady, NY

#457 Jun 16, 2014
BadMan84 wrote:
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That was my point. Roman's tactics were very similar to what Michael has been said he did with the children around him. Being nice and having the parents expect nothing, then groomed them to the point they're comfortable enough to have the adult touch them, and then do anything they can with them until they realize it's too late. A part of me believes MJ suffered more than just his father's physical and emotional abuse, his religion (and probably the community he lived in) forced him to be silent about whatever wrong was done to him as a child. I can't compare their situations but it seems that the both of them knew nothing but torture and in turn became the abuser because they couldn't or didn't want to be counseled. The illnesses that both of them had ate them up and they turn into the very people they despised.
I see your point but to me, Michael Jackson was much worse. Of course, Roman Polanski will have to live with his actions for the rest of his life no matter how many times he apologizes. I can imagine that Polanski did seek professional help for his illness. The clown did not. They are two different people. Michael did suffer horrible abuse as a child. However, he was a serial child molester. I do not know what Roman Polanski does today. He could still have more victims but I do not believe that is the case. I know he loved Sharon Tate and was in a deep depression over her senseless murder. Like I said, it wouldn't excuse what he did but the circumstances with each case is not the same for every person. If Polanski's victim can forgive him, that is that best he could hope for.

What else would some people expect him to do at this point?

I really hope the rumors of Polanski with two young girls in Southeast Asia is false but if they are true, then Roman Polanski should be charged and sent to prison.

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