'The Wiz'

'The Wiz'

There are 34 comments on the Examiner.com story from Jan 9, 2014, titled 'The Wiz'. In it, Examiner.com reports that:

The cult classic " The Wiz " has received mixed reviews since it premiered in 1978.

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Octopus

Schenectady, NY

#22 Jan 15, 2014
BadMan84 wrote:
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What I find interesting about Elvis' film work is that his films had different themes. He did the period films (Love Me Tender), the bad boy films (Jailhouse Rock, King Creole), the semi-autobiographical film (Loving You), the serious non-musical (Flaming Star and Wild in the Country), the glitzy musicals (Viva Las Vegas), the Hawaiian flick (Blue Hawaii), the Army flick (GI Blues), etc. Michael's videos were almost always the same regardless of the themes.
Most of Elvis's movie's were still well made but a few were stinkers but all actors appear in bad movies. However, Elvis himself did not think highly of them because he wanted to be a serious actor but he was typecast in the formula Elvis picture. "Change Of Habit" was his last acting role and it was pretty good. It deserves another look for people who may have never seen it. It has a serious story line and Elvis plays a doctor. It is so different from the standard Elvis Presley movie.
Octopus

Schenectady, NY

#23 Jan 15, 2014
BadMan84 wrote:
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Prince had been planning the film since 1982, I think. So it all paid off in the end. MJ just didn't have the same ambition. Obviously MJ was jealous of Prince. I guess he tried to make Captain EO and Moonwalker as box office films but Captain EO was only good enough for Disney at the time and Moonwalker was too bizarre to be one.
Use of special effects is cool and everything but it still did not make Michael Jackson a good actor. I happen to like the video for "Remember The Time" with its King Tut theme. But it is just a video. Michael looked like shit but it still was one of his stronger tracks and the video was entertaining. Captain EO and Moonwalker were designed for the kiddie set. Of course, a girlfriend took me to see Prince's "Purple Rain" in the eighties when it was still playing at the box office. She saw it at least thirty times. I liked when girls were happy, you know what I mean?

Since: Jun 13

Wilson, NC

#24 Jan 15, 2014
Octopus wrote:
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Use of special effects is cool and everything but it still did not make Michael Jackson a good actor. I happen to like the video for "Remember The Time" with its King Tut theme. But it is just a video. Michael looked like shit but it still was one of his stronger tracks and the video was entertaining. Captain EO and Moonwalker were designed for the kiddie set. Of course, a girlfriend took me to see Prince's "Purple Rain" in the eighties when it was still playing at the box office. She saw it at least thirty times. I liked when girls were happy, you know what I mean?
Lol yeah I get what you mean. In the 13 years between Billie Jean and Stranger in Moscow, MJ was all about CGI and special effects. He overemphasized his video making. He was never gonna make it as an actor. He wasn't given much dialogue. The 17-minute Bad video was hilariously bad. Like really, MJ going against Wesley Snipes and all he can say is "leave me alone man", "back off" and "let's see who's bad!" It just wasn't convincing. He hardly said anything during the longer version of "The Way You Make Me Feel" and of course "You Rock My World" was just an ultimate fail. "Remember the Time" is still cool though. And of course "Smooth Criminal" (which he jacked from one of Fred Astaire's films) and "Thriller". But everything else was too much going on.
Octopus

Schenectady, NY

#25 Jan 16, 2014
BadMan84 wrote:
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Lol yeah I get what you mean. In the 13 years between Billie Jean and Stranger in Moscow, MJ was all about CGI and special effects. He overemphasized his video making. He was never gonna make it as an actor. He wasn't given much dialogue. The 17-minute Bad video was hilariously bad. Like really, MJ going against Wesley Snipes and all he can say is "leave me alone man", "back off" and "let's see who's bad!" It just wasn't convincing. He hardly said anything during the longer version of "The Way You Make Me Feel" and of course "You Rock My World" was just an ultimate fail. "Remember the Time" is still cool though. And of course "Smooth Criminal" (which he jacked from one of Fred Astaire's films) and "Thriller". But everything else was too much going on.
I think most of Michael Jackson's videos were made to appeal to the kiddie set back in the eighties. Of course, as time went on his appearance changed but he insisted on playing a tough guy role that wasn't very believable. I do not think I've seen all his videos because I never paid attention to all of them. I was too busy listening to Led Zeppelin and Heavy Metal in those days. As the years went by, MTV simply stopped playing music videos as the musical culture began to shift into the current dance pop marketplace. In my view, most of Michael's work has dated very badly. Because his audience were little kids, the dancing and the beats were what Michael was about. "You Rock My World" was obviously shot like a gangster movie with Michael fighting as he was dancing. In 2001, the song simply was wrong for the times. It sounded like an old beefed up Disco track. Really, Michael had no where to go with it because he was getting old and had not progressed into an adult singer. He was stuck repeating himself. It was also his butchered face and thin frame that hurt him. He just did not look human anymore to be convincing on camera. His music suffered because it was false with no real feeling behind it. The clown simply stopped making music after the failure of "Invincible" I think he knew his time was up. He did appear in "Men In Black 2" but it wasn't much of a part. His career was over. For some reason, Michael became a tabloid freak in later years. It was the attention he craved but it had nothing to do with his music. To me, that would be a pretty sad ending had he had any real talent to start with. Everything after "Thriller" was straight down hill. The public relations campaigns worked for awhile but it began to backfire on him as his mental illness and drug addictions became worse.

Since: Jun 13

Wilson, NC

#26 Jan 16, 2014
Octopus wrote:
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I think most of Michael Jackson's videos were made to appeal to the kiddie set back in the eighties. Of course, as time went on his appearance changed but he insisted on playing a tough guy role that wasn't very believable. I do not think I've seen all his videos because I never paid attention to all of them. I was too busy listening to Led Zeppelin and Heavy Metal in those days. As the years went by, MTV simply stopped playing music videos as the musical culture began to shift into the current dance pop marketplace. In my view, most of Michael's work has dated very badly. Because his audience were little kids, the dancing and the beats were what Michael was about. "You Rock My World" was obviously shot like a gangster movie with Michael fighting as he was dancing. In 2001, the song simply was wrong for the times. It sounded like an old beefed up Disco track. Really, Michael had no where to go with it because he was getting old and had not progressed into an adult singer. He was stuck repeating himself. It was also his butchered face and thin frame that hurt him. He just did not look human anymore to be convincing on camera. His music suffered because it was false with no real feeling behind it. The clown simply stopped making music after the failure of "Invincible" I think he knew his time was up. He did appear in "Men In Black 2" but it wasn't much of a part. His career was over. For some reason, Michael became a tabloid freak in later years. It was the attention he craved but it had nothing to do with his music. To me, that would be a pretty sad ending had he had any real talent to start with. Everything after "Thriller" was straight down hill. The public relations campaigns worked for awhile but it began to backfire on him as his mental illness and drug addictions became worse.
He never progressed past 1974 IMHO. He stayed in that 1970s vocal style (post kid voice) and never really left it. Whatever was "hip" he latched onto. When I saw him posing with Jay Z and other rappers in 2001 (or was it 2000?), he looked really lost. He was stagnant. After "Thriller", there was nowhere to go but down and that's exactly what happened.
Octopus

Schenectady, NY

#27 Jan 16, 2014
BadMan84 wrote:
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He never progressed past 1974 IMHO. He stayed in that 1970s vocal style (post kid voice) and never really left it. Whatever was "hip" he latched onto. When I saw him posing with Jay Z and other rappers in 2001 (or was it 2000?), he looked really lost. He was stagnant. After "Thriller", there was nowhere to go but down and that's exactly what happened.
Actually, I think the clown did progress to a certain point. The problem was that the material was not broad enough to have a much wider range. Say an artist paints portraits and his paintings are great. But if the artist paints the same thing over and over again, it gets stale after a while. That is what happened with Michael Jackson. Instead of being an artist and making music to create, Michael was only interested in how much it sold. As for today's pop acts, they believe that what they do will last forever. However, things always change. In the eighties, there just seemed to be more different kinds of music out there and more artists creating. I am sure that the hair bands back then thought that they would have their careers for decades. That wasn't the case. I much rather listen to someone like Tom Petty because he puts out albums regardless if they sell or not. If your album sells poorly, you simply make another one and keep going. Michael failed because he waited too long between releases and then got pissed because "Blood On The Dance Floor" and "Invincible" did not sell as he had hoped. He got rusty and wasn't creative enough to come up with something more challenging.

“at yet more f'loonspin”

Since: Aug 11

I live far away from f'loons

#28 Jan 17, 2014
BadMan84 wrote:
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He never progressed past 1974 IMHO. He stayed in that 1970s vocal style (post kid voice) and never really left it. Whatever was "hip" he latched onto. When I saw him posing with Jay Z and other rappers in 2001 (or was it 2000?), he looked really lost. He was stagnant. After "Thriller", there was nowhere to go but down and that's exactly what happened.
I think he should have spent less time worrying about his public image and getting awards and more time developing himself as a musician. Once the ego gets in the way, creativity dies away.

“at yet more f'loonspin”

Since: Aug 11

I live far away from f'loons

#29 Jan 17, 2014
BadMan84 wrote:
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Lol yeah I get what you mean. In the 13 years between Billie Jean and Stranger in Moscow, MJ was all about CGI and special effects. He overemphasized his video making. He was never gonna make it as an actor. He wasn't given much dialogue. The 17-minute Bad video was hilariously bad. Like really, MJ going against Wesley Snipes and all he can say is "leave me alone man", "back off" and "let's see who's bad!" It just wasn't convincing. He hardly said anything during the longer version of "The Way You Make Me Feel" and of course "You Rock My World" was just an ultimate fail. "Remember the Time" is still cool though. And of course "Smooth Criminal" (which he jacked from one of Fred Astaire's films) and "Thriller". But everything else was too much going on.
The "Bad" video was so unrealistic and unbelievable, I was embarrassed for him. Plus, he no longer looked like himself. He had become an unnatural-looking white woman, by that time.

Since: Jun 13

Wilson, NC

#30 Jan 17, 2014
Len is Disgusted wrote:
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I think he should have spent less time worrying about his public image and getting awards and more time developing himself as a musician. Once the ego gets in the way, creativity dies away.
Awards, sales and all of that did destroy him. His ego destroyed him too.

“Waiting for f'loons to wake up”

Since: Dec 06

Goofybaboon's Not Listening

#31 Jan 17, 2014
BadMan84 wrote:
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Awards, sales and all of that did destroy him. His ego destroyed him too.
Pretty sure the Cult of Wacko had a heavy hand in his self-worship and destruction.

“Waiting for f'loons to wake up”

Since: Dec 06

Goofybaboon's Not Listening

#32 Jan 17, 2014
"The Wiz" ? The connotations that title raises even now is absurd. Who thought of that title anyway?- a dipwad pissing in the john?
freddie

Woburn, MA

#33 Jan 29, 2014
like flo said............... after that movie the wiz, she never got another movie deal. flo said she was 33 trying to play a 15 year old girl.
freddie

Woburn, MA

#34 Jan 29, 2014
about 2 years ago, diane ross came to boston for 1 night to sing at the wang theater. it was not a big place like boston fleet center. god she could never sell out anymore. anyway I did not go to the show, but I went to boston to meet my friends that went about 1 hour before the show got out. when my friends came out, we went around the back to the stage door for her to come out. there must of been 30 people waiting for an autograph. she came out, signed 5 and went in her limo and left. it would of taken her about 6 minutes to sign all 30 people. didn't she get it, these people paid to see her, have the courtesy to give them an autograph. they put money in your pocket. flo would of signed if there were 300 people. that's the difference between diane and flo. flo had the good heart.
Daniel Robinson

Brooklyn, NY

#35 Jun 24, 2014
The Wiz was a great movie and today a classic. That cast of stars was incredible and great acting by all. How anyone can say otherwise is beyond me . There's, Lena Horne, Mabel King, Nipsey Russell, Richard Pryor, Quincy Jones, Diana Ross. Michael Jackson, Ted Ross,Thelma Carpenter, Theresa Merritt, Johnny Brown. OMG!!! Too much talent. WHY do people always think that there is suppose to be one person and only one person that should play a role. Just because Stephanie Mills played Dorothy in the play does not mean she had to be in the movie as well. Diana is a great actress and she did a excellent job acting and singing in the movie. Loose it, loose it, I don't even know the first thing about, what their feeling. What am I afraid of. Don't know what I'm made of. Can I go on not knowing.(I love when Diana sang that first number in the movie).
The picture with all those legendary performers in it by itself is worth seeing. Great movie for all ages. It is still a cool movie in 2014. Simply timeless.

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