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“VITILIGO”

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persephone wrote:
<quoted text> Becoming psychologically 'stuck' in a fantasy of childhood is not synonymous with being a pedophile.
This was someone who spent many years sharing beds and bedrooms with his brothers. That probably gave him a sense of security, something which he sought to recapture years later as an adult. That obviously wasn't a good idea, for many reasons, but that still doesn't make him a pedophile.
Just wondering, Persef'looney, why was it better for him to share his bed with other people's children instead of his own shop bought ones? Any ideas?

Have a ponder and get back to me, would you. There's a love.:-)

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persephone wrote:
<quoted text> Becoming psychologically 'stuck' in a fantasy of childhood is not synonymous with being a pedophile.
This was someone who spent many years sharing beds and bedrooms with his brothers. That probably gave him a sense of security, something which he sought to recapture years later as an adult. That obviously wasn't a good idea, for many reasons, but that still doesn't make him a pedophile.
Most people I know have shared beds with someone for a period in their life. MJ's siblings also shared a bedroom and suffered the same abuse. I dont see anyone I know having urges to sleep with boys.

Ill say it again, there has been NO RECORD of any adult wanting to recapture their childhood by sleeping with children. And by a psychological point of view, he would still experience the same security by sleeping with an adult. By no means does sleeping with his siblings affect the age of the person he sleeps with, thats a flat out excuse.

What WOULD MAKE SENSE is sleeping with a LOVED ONE. That would bring security. That would also be the more appropriate outcome

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persephone wrote:
<quoted text> Becoming psychologically 'stuck' in a fantasy of childhood is not synonymous with being a pedophile.
This was someone who spent many years sharing beds and bedrooms with his brothers. That probably gave him a sense of security, something which he sought to recapture years later as an adult. That obviously wasn't a good idea, for many reasons, but that still doesn't make him a pedophile.
Oh, forgot to ask you - if you think that WR should be tried for perjury, where does that leave you in response to J Francia's testimony? I'm pretty sure you've never suggested that he perjured himself. So essentially you're suggesting that WR lied on the stand but that JF didn't, yes? Things that make me go hmmmm.....

Thanks for what I know will be a very intelligent and sensible reply. You have no idea how much I'm longing to read it. Might even pop out for a bucket of popcorn to munch on whilst I digest the lunacy of your detail.

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persephone wrote:
<quoted text> but that still doesn't make him a pedophile.
Yeah, he just liked little boys sexually but not in a pedophile way.

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MJFRIEND wrote:
Michael jackson was not a pedophile.
Keep telling yourself that, while following the Yellow Brick Road to visit the Wizard of Oz.
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TripleH1976 wrote:
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Yeah, he just liked little boys sexually but not in a pedophile way.
No evidence that he was sexually attracted to boys. Only the claims of people who always had a financial agenda behind such claims.

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persephone wrote:
<quoted text> No evidence that he was sexually attracted to boys. Only the claims of people who always had a financial agenda behind such claims.
Michael Jackson silenced people with his money dullard. If he was a heterosexual man he would have realized the oddity of holding a 12 year old boys hand and having sleepovers. He would have done everything in his power to dispel the pedophilia accusations. Michael Jackson did zero regarding that aspect of his life.

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persephone wrote:
<quoted text> Becoming psychologically 'stuck' in a fantasy of childhood is not synonymous with being a pedophile.
This was someone who spent many years sharing beds and bedrooms with his brothers. That probably gave him a sense of security, something which he sought to recapture years later as an adult. That obviously wasn't a good idea, for many reasons, but that still doesn't make him a pedophile.
People with terrible or "lost" childhoods go to therapy to get over it. They do not use it as an excuse to sleep with other people's children, in spite of multiple pay offs to families whose children they were accused of molesting.

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persephone wrote:
<quoted text> No evidence that he was sexually attracted to boys. Only the claims of people who always had a financial agenda behind such claims.
But it should please you greatly to know the Arvizos had no intention of suing Michael. It should please you greatly to know it was Michael who insisted Jordan's parents receive some of the settlement money to silence them.
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Len is Disgusted wrote:
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But it should please you greatly to know the Arvizos had no intention of suing Michael. It should please you greatly to know it was Michael who insisted Jordan's parents receive some of the settlement money to silence them.
It's really amazing how those MJ molestation accusations always first found their way to Larry Feldman's office instead of the police station.

And if MJ were really so concerned about 'silencing' the Chandlers, then why wouldn't he have just paid whatever Evan requested immediately, instead of refusing and risking his career on it all going public?

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persephone wrote:
<quoted text> It's really amazing how those MJ molestation accusations always first found their way to Larry Feldman's office instead of the police station.
And if MJ were really so concerned about 'silencing' the Chandlers, then why wouldn't he have just paid whatever Evan requested immediately, instead of refusing and risking his career on it all going public?
Because Michael Jackson was wanting to give him the least amount of money, and when the custody battle ensued Michael's attorney's told him to stop talking to the family and let the lawyers handle the situation.

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persephone wrote:
<quoted text> It's really amazing how those MJ molestation accusations always first found their way to Larry Feldman's office instead of the police station.
And if MJ were really so concerned about 'silencing' the Chandlers, then why wouldn't he have just paid whatever Evan requested immediately, instead of refusing and risking his career on it all going public?
I think you should read Larry Feldman's testimony. He explained this, which should be easy to understand, for somebody who isn't a f'loon. It begins on page 153.

http://www.mjfacts.info/transcripts/Court%20T...

By the way, the Arvizos went to Dickerman, first, to stop the airing of Bashir's documentary and to get their belongings returned to them, which Michael had taken.
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persephone wrote:
<quoted text> It's really amazing how those MJ molestation accusations always first found their way to Larry Feldman's office instead of the police station.
And if MJ were really so concerned about 'silencing' the Chandlers, then why wouldn't he have just paid whatever Evan requested immediately, instead of refusing and risking his career on it all going public?
What is this strange obsession you have with – Larry Feldman –? Clearly you are completely missing the point – because if you are going to criticize Jordi's father for not immediately going to the heroes of your country then Michael Jackson himself must also be viewed with great suspicion and criticism for not going to the authorities himself as soon as he was accused by Jordi's father – yes?

If he had really been falsely accused of abusing children don't you think he would've wanted the heroes of your country to have dealt with Jordi's father and prevented him from going through with 'extortion'– yes? But he didn't – right? He was hiring an unbelievably sleazy and slimy individual who did filthy work for other celebrities – yes? His name is Anthony Pellicano and he was a master at intimidating and frightening individuals that he had been paid to do so by his clients – yes? And now he's in prison because he a vile scumbag – correct?

Also – something you have conveniently forgotten is that Jordi's family wanted witness protection from the police because they were being harassed - not just by that filthy individual – Pellicano – but also hateful individual's such as yourself who consider it more important to worship a celebrity rather than support a child who may have been abused – yes? You have absolutely no understanding of the circumstances as to what Jordi and his family may have been subjected to by idiots who consider a celebrity more important – yes?

Also – you must be having another shit-4-brains moment – if you believe if MJ was going to instantly hand over millions of dollars without 1st seeking legal advice from his sleazy legal team – yes? MJ was never going to hand over a money compensation package without there being some kind of deal that Jordi and his family withdrew from criminal proceedings – yes? It was always going to be the job of his multimillion dollar lawyer's to make sure that contract was very carefully worded and did not incriminate him to the point that he would have been imprisoned – correct? In the end – it resulted in Michael Jackson fully admitting to the serious offense of 'negligence' which you keep on conveniently forgetting – yes?

Also – you conveniently keep using your shit-4-brains moments to forget that it was Michael Jackson himself that absolutely insisted that Jordi's parents sign a contract which absolutely prevented them from ever discussing what went on– yes?

And the truth of the matter is that Michael Jackson paid that huge multimillion dollar settlement for 'negligence'[if you could really call it that] after Jordi himself could describe the black spotted spots on his penis – yes? Clearly MJ and his legal team were frightened to death that such a young boy could describe such markings in such a private place – yes?
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rosalinda de la quatch wrote:
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What is this strange obsession you have with – Larry Feldman –? Clearly you are completely missing the point – because if you are going to criticize Jordi's father for not immediately going to the heroes of your country then Michael Jackson himself must also be viewed with great suspicion and criticism for not going to the authorities himself as soon as he was accused by Jordi's father – yes?
If he had really been falsely accused of abusing children don't you think he would've wanted the heroes of your country to have dealt with Jordi's father and prevented him from going through with 'extortion'– yes? But he didn't – right? He was hiring an unbelievably sleazy and slimy individual who did filthy work for other celebrities – yes? His name is Anthony Pellicano and he was a master at intimidating and frightening individuals that he had been paid to do so by his clients – yes? And now he's in prison because he a vile scumbag – correct?
Also – something you have conveniently forgotten is that Jordi's family wanted witness protection from the police because they were being harassed - not just by that filthy individual – Pellicano – but also hateful individual's such as yourself who consider it more important to worship a celebrity rather than support a child who may have been abused – yes? You have absolutely no understanding of the circumstances as to what Jordi and his family may have been subjected to by idiots who consider a celebrity more important – yes?
Also – you must be having another shit-4-brains moment – if you believe if MJ was going to instantly hand over millions of dollars without 1st seeking legal advice from his sleazy legal team – yes? MJ was never going to hand over a money compensation package without there being some kind of deal that Jordi and his family withdrew from criminal proceedings – yes? It was always going to be the job of his multimillion dollar lawyer's to make sure that contract was very carefully worded and did not incriminate him to the point that he would have been imprisoned – correct? In the end – it resulted in Michael Jackson fully admitting to the serious offense of 'negligence' which you keep on conveniently forgetting – yes?
Also – you conveniently keep using your shit-4-brains moments to forget that it was Michael Jackson himself that absolutely insisted that Jordi's parents sign a contract which absolutely prevented them from ever discussing what went on– yes?
And the truth of the matter is that Michael Jackson paid that huge multimillion dollar settlement for 'negligence'[if you could really call it that] after Jordi himself could describe the black spotted spots on his penis – yes? Clearly MJ and his legal team were frightened to death that such a young boy could describe such markings in such a private place – yes?
"Heroes of my country"? What are you talking about?

No contract the Chandlers ever signed prevented them from cooperating with a criminal investigation. Instead they used Jordan's mental state as an excuse to avoid pursuing a criminal investigation. Two grand juries both determined that without his cooperation, there was insufficient evidence with which to hand down an indictment.

It really is amazing how, after all this time, haters continue to delude themselves that those supportiing MJ know nothing about the various cases. How many times do you need to keep going over and over and over the exact same issues and points of the various cases?

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MJFRIEND wrote:
Rosalinda : thats a stupid statement that michael go to the police when he was falsely accused by the chandlers. The whole point of the false accusation threat was to silence michael into paying the exhorbant amont they demanded. So such false accusations would not get into the press and ruin michaels career and "heal the world" foundation. Evan chandler waited until michael launched hie world charity for children during the dangerous tour to blackmail him, just like wade robson waited until the aeg -live trial to blackmail the jackson estate. Timing means alot when it comes to allegations leading to money.
How was Evan to know about the Heal the World Charity? Why did Michael Jackson have such an obsession with Jordan to the point they shared a bed in hotel suites around the world, Jordan's home, and in Evan's home? What the hell was he thinking? What father would not be curious? The places they stayed at could accomodate a separate bed for Jordan. What father would not be suspicious with Michael's interest in their son? You have to concede Michael Jackson was looking for trouble and he found it.
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MJFRIEND wrote:
Rosalinda : thats a stupid statement that michael go to the police when he was falsely accused by the chandlers. The whole point of the false accusation threat was to silence michael into paying the exhorbant amont they demanded. So such false accusations would not get into the press and ruin michaels career and "heal the world" foundation. Evan chandler waited until michael launched hie world charity for children during the dangerous tour to blackmail him, just like wade robson waited until the aeg -live trial to blackmail the jackson estate. Timing means alot when it comes to allegations leading to money.
MJ was also out of the country when the accusations first surfaced, Neverland was searched, and yet he returned--not something you'd think a guilty person would do.

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persephone wrote:
<quoted text> MJ was also out of the country when the accusations first surfaced, Neverland was searched, and yet he returned--not something you'd think a guilty person would do.
To where would that freak have run? OZ? The San Diego Zoo? Boys Town?

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persephone wrote:
<quoted text> MJ was also out of the country when the accusations first surfaced, Neverland was searched, and yet he returned--not something you'd think a guilty person would do.
Well he couldn't hide away forever... Everyone knew who he was and it wasn't exactly hard to miss him. Not returning would only seal his guilt and make it next to impossible to continue his career or life the way he would want to.

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persephone wrote:
<quoted text> "Heroes of my country"? What are you talking about?
No contract the Chandlers ever signed prevented them from cooperating with a criminal investigation. Instead they used Jordan's mental state as an excuse to avoid pursuing a criminal investigation. Two grand juries both determined that without his cooperation, there was insufficient evidence with which to hand down an indictment.
It really is amazing how, after all this time, haters continue to delude themselves that those supportiing MJ know nothing about the various cases. How many times do you need to keep going over and over and over the exact same issues and points of the various cases?
For you to consider Jordans mental health issues during that period as an excuse pretty much proves how much little sympathy you have for victims. Jordan had to speak out about abuse at a young age, something not many children do - something that is mentally straining. Not to mention the close bond formed with MJ, and this is something common with many child molesters, with this bond im sure he still felt that bond after the allegations. AND ON TOP OF THAT he had to endure numerous threats from MJ fans.

There is sufficient evidence that Jordans description matched. This in itself is enough to questions MJ's behaviour. The grand juries do not talk about the description. Can you send me the source regarding the grand juries?

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persephone wrote:
<quoted text> MJ was also out of the country when the accusations first surfaced, Neverland was searched, and yet he returned--not something you'd think a guilty person would do.
Going on the run was only going to make his problems worse. He had enough people around him to convey that to him.

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