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#427 Aug 27, 2013
MJFRIEND wrote:
TO TRIPLEH : michael was just like a little boy emotionally. According to psychiatric evaluations prior to the trial it was concluded by experts that though michael was a genius, he had not matured emotionally past that of a 12 yr old child. This is why those close to hime refer to him as a Man-child. Grace rawanda was hired first as michaels secretary and they told to stay with michael as his caregiver and the childrens nanny. It was grace who watched over michael because he was like a child. During the this is it contract negotiations , it was michaels parents that sat with him negotiating the financial part with randy phillips because michael was incapable of understanding exactly how much he would net. Michael was like a child.. Lisa marie stated she felt he was too emotionally immature to be a father. His children's written testimony at the sentencing of dr murray spoke of how they lost their father, best friend and playmate. Jackson was a gentle boyish man who was victimized
I see that you understand Michael too...

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#428 Aug 27, 2013
MJFRIEND wrote:
TO TRIPLEH : michael was just like a little boy emotionally. According to psychiatric evaluations prior to the trial it was concluded by experts that though michael was a genius, he had not matured emotionally past that of a 12 yr old child. This is why those close to hime refer to him as a Man-child. Grace rawanda was hired first as michaels secretary and they told to stay with michael as his caregiver and the childrens nanny. It was grace who watched over michael because he was like a child. During the this is it contract negotiations , it was michaels parents that sat with him negotiating the financial part with randy phillips because michael was incapable of understanding exactly how much he would net. Michael was like a child.. Lisa marie stated she felt he was too emotionally immature to be a father. His children's written testimony at the sentencing of dr murray spoke of how they lost their father, best friend and playmate. Jackson was a gentle boyish man who was victimized
People cannot conceive of the fact that what Joseph did to Michael resulted in his regressed development.

“at yet more f'loonspin”

Since: Aug 11

I live far away from f'loons

#429 Aug 27, 2013
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MJFRIEND wrote:
TO TRIPLEH : michael was just like a little boy emotionally. According to psychiatric evaluations prior to the trial it was concluded by experts that though michael was a genius, he had not matured emotionally past that of a 12 yr old child. This is why those close to hime refer to him as a Man-child. Grace rawanda was hired first as michaels secretary and they told to stay with michael as his caregiver and the childrens nanny. It was grace who watched over michael because he was like a child. During the this is it contract negotiations , it was michaels parents that sat with him negotiating the financial part with randy phillips because michael was incapable of understanding exactly how much he would net. Michael was like a child.. Lisa marie stated she felt he was too emotionally immature to be a father. His children's written testimony at the sentencing of dr murray spoke of how they lost their father, best friend and playmate. Jackson was a gentle boyish man who was victimized
Michael was a grown man. Period. He was a grow man, fully responsible for his actions.

You need to go to rehab and overcome your addiction to kool-aid.

“at yet more f'loonspin”

Since: Aug 11

I live far away from f'loons

#430 Aug 27, 2013
Jermaine 7 wrote:
<quoted text>People cannot conceive of the fact that what Joseph did to Michael resulted in his regressed development.
It's well documented Joseph was an abuser. But Michael was still responsible for his behavior.

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#431 Aug 27, 2013
Len is Disgusted wrote:
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It's well documented Joseph was an abuser. But Michael was still responsible for his behavior.
Michael was a good man. You need to take your own advice and be responsible for your behavior on this forum. You are hurting Michael's children with your words.

“Brevity is the soule of wit”

Since: May 09

USA

#437 Aug 27, 2013
MJFREAK wrote:
TO Dr. Len is disgusted : you have all these links why dont you research people with regressed childhoods? What causes this? What are the characteristics? What is their behavior like?
More of your disjointed garbage, stooge.

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#438 Aug 27, 2013
MJFRIEND wrote:
TO Dr. Len is disgusted : you have all these links why dont you research people with regressed childhoods? What causes this? What are the characteristics? What is their behavior like? Also, michael was not emotionally a grown man, his childish mentality was allowed to continue into adulthood.
Regression is a defense mechanism used subconsciously by people to cope with certain matters. Would you mind explaining to me how sleeping in the same bed as another boy is in any way a defense mechanism?

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#439 Aug 27, 2013
MJFRIEND wrote:
TO Dr. Len is disgusted : you have all these links why dont you research people with regressed childhoods? What causes this? What are the characteristics? What is their behavior like? Also, michael was not emotionally a grown man, his childish mentality was allowed to continue into adulthood. Instead of getting him into therapy, joe jackson was whipping him and beating him to get onto the stage. Michael was to busy performing , recording and touring by the time he was a teen to get help for himself. He didnt even have time to think about who he was much less have a childhood. In MIchaels mind , Jordy, Brett, macauley, david and gavin were really his friends and they did what most teen boys do they goof around . Michael never hurt a child. Never.
Exactly...so true...this is how Michael thought of the children. and yes Len why don't you?
ChasUGC

Bellflower, CA

#442 Aug 27, 2013
Pishpash1234 wrote:
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Regression is a defense mechanism used subconsciously by people to cope with certain matters. Would you mind explaining to me how sleeping in the same bed as another boy is in any way a defense mechanism?
You never heard of childhood slumber parties?
Michael was just reliving his lost childhood through his young fans and friends. Michael always had children around him because he felt safe.

Parents relive their childhood through their children. This is why parents play video games with their children.

Michael had no children, so he played video games and other innocent games with his young friends. When Michael finally had children, he played with them, as any parent does. This is why Paris is so broken up about losing her dad. "Michael was the best father in the world." I bet that Jordy Chandler would never say that about his dad.

There was nothing sinister about MJ's love for children. It was innocent.
Naive yes, but innocent. And the court and the Jury agreed that it was innocent. Therefore, "Not Guilty".

“at yet more f'loonspin”

Since: Aug 11

I live far away from f'loons

#443 Aug 27, 2013
MJFRIEND wrote:
TO Dr. Len is disgusted : you have all these links why dont you research people with regressed childhoods? What causes this? What are the characteristics? What is their behavior like? Also, michael was not emotionally a grown man, his childish mentality was allowed to continue into adulthood. Instead of getting him into therapy, joe jackson was whipping him and beating him to get onto the stage. Michael was to busy performing , recording and touring by the time he was a teen to get help for himself. He didnt even have time to think about who he was much less have a childhood. In MIchaels mind , Jordy, Brett, macauley, david and gavin were really his friends and they did what most teen boys do they goof around . Michael never hurt a child. Never.
Michael's PR team did a good job on you, since you've swallowed it whole. That regressed mind is hogwash, an excuse to cover up his inappropriate behavior with children. You will never convince me keeping a nude photo of a child he slept with was the mark of a man who had "regressed childhood." It's the proof he was a pedophile.

Goofing around with boys? You pervert.

“Why can't you share your bed?”

Since: May 13

Canada

#444 Aug 27, 2013
MJFRIEND wrote:
TO Dr. Len is disgusted : you have all these links why dont you research people with regressed childhoods? What causes this? What are the characteristics? What is their behavior like? Also, michael was not emotionally a grown man, his childish mentality was allowed to continue into adulthood. Instead of getting him into therapy, joe jackson was whipping him and beating him to get onto the stage. Michael was to busy performing , recording and touring by the time he was a teen to get help for himself. He didnt even have time to think about who he was much less have a childhood. In MIchaels mind , Jordy, Brett, macauley, david and gavin were really his friends and they did what most teen boys do they goof around . Michael never hurt a child. Never.
Michael Jackson befriended those boys at ages, where a young boy is curious about sexuality. They develop an interest in wanting to know what the opposite sex appears in the nude. They might go as far as bringing Playboy or Hustler magazines, collected by an older brother or even father, from home to sleepovers. They might begin to masturbate or have recurring wet dreams. Believe it or not boys discuss these subjects with other boys. How do I know Michael Jackson was not testing these areas with young boys while in the privacy of his bedroom? What if one of those boys had a wet dream on a night he stayed with Jackson? How do you think Michael handled it? That's why it is dangerous to have an interest in sleeping with other people's children.

“Why can't you share your bed?”

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Canada

#445 Aug 27, 2013
ChasUGC wrote:
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You never heard of childhood slumber parties?
Michael was just reliving his lost childhood through his young fans and friends. Michael always had children around him because he felt safe.
Parents relive their childhood through their children. This is why parents play video games with their children.
Michael had no children, so he played video games and other innocent games with his young friends. When Michael finally had children, he played with them, as any parent does. This is why Paris is so broken up about losing her dad. "Michael was the best father in the world." I bet that Jordy Chandler would never say that about his dad.
There was nothing sinister about MJ's love for children. It was innocent.
Naive yes, but innocent. And the court and the Jury agreed that it was innocent. Therefore, "Not Guilty".
I remember my slumber parties with kids my age and we abided by know rules. As soon as we knew my parents, or the parents of my friends were fast asleep. We would start discussing girls, sometimes look at pornography magazines, even engage in some drinking. Make lewd prank phone calls to places. So stop being naive and believing Jackson was looking to play video games for the entire night. I'm very sorry Michael Jackson experienced a bad childhood, but it was not up to young children to help him regain it. Children should be having sleepovers with children, not a grown man 3 or 4 times older then the children.

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Since: May 13

Canada

#447 Aug 27, 2013
MJFRIEND wrote:
TO TRIPLEH1976 : You ask how would michael handle it if a boy had a wet dream while sleeping at michael's. The same way a father would deal with that kind of situation. Or an uncle. Michael had experience with his own nephews and nieces.. He always wanted to be the father he never had. He was a father figure to these boys. He enjoyed this.. Why do you think the boys aked if they could call him dad? They thought of him as a father figure. That's how he came across to them. You make it sound as if michael was cruisin sunset strip and picking up boys to take home.....or standing ona corner luring boys to his home. Boys wanted to be with him, begged to stay with him. Lisa marie said he couldnt walk from one room to the other without being followed. She said they'd follow him into the bathroom. Most people would shoo them away, not want to be bothered. Michaels problem was he was too nice to everybody, he could not say no to a child.
He can't be a father and a regressed child at the same time. Make up your mind and decide which role he is going to be. What special power did God bestow upon Michael Jackson to have the special privilege of explaining a wet dream, or other experiences through puberty to someone's child? I'd be very pissed off if the father of one of my son's friends explained that to my kid. I'm tired of hearing you believe Michael Jackson was special. Michael Jackson shouldn't be supplanting himself as other children's father. Unless I raised the child since a small age, or am in a long-term relationship/married to the boy's mother. I will not feel comfortable with the boy calling me father. You have this guy on a massive high pedestal.

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#448 Aug 27, 2013
MJFRIEND wrote:
TO TRIPLEH1976 : You ask how would michael handle it if a boy had a wet dream while sleeping at michael's. The same way a father would deal with that kind of situation. Or an uncle. Michael had experience with his own nephews and nieces.. He always wanted to be the father he never had. He was a father figure to these boys. He enjoyed this.. Why do you think the boys aked if they could call him dad? They thought of him as a father figure. That's how he came across to them. You make it sound as if michael was cruisin sunset strip and picking up boys to take home.....or standing ona corner luring boys to his home. Boys wanted to be with him, begged to stay with him. Lisa marie said he couldnt walk from one room to the other without being followed. She said they'd follow him into the bathroom. Most people would shoo them away, not want to be bothered. Michaels problem was he was too nice to everybody, he could not say no to a child.
I posted this for you, on another thread, but I'm going to post it for you, here. It's Kenneth Lanning's profile of a pedophile. What you described is acquaintance child molester behavior.

http://www.missingkids.com/en_US/publications...

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#449 Aug 28, 2013
MJFRIEND wrote:
TO PISHPASH , M.D.: yes regression can be a subconscious defense to a stressor , and I think getting older in the music industry, and having to deal with the constant demands and pressure to live up to a perfect reputation , and give a perfect performance, and appear perfect and impeccably dressed , and speak perfectly, and give a perfect interview and pen the perfect song the perfect album and create the perfect tour and not disappoint any one of your millions of fans who watch your every move , yeah, I can see this as a stressor and I can see him wanting to relax behind gates go into his room plop on his bed put a funny movie on and talk about the latest kids movie with a kid. I can see how he would enjoy mindless things as waterguns and baloon fights. This was relaxing to him . No pressure. Being with kids put no pressure on him. He told bashir, some go to football games , he climbed trees for fun. Let up on him people.
Are you really that naive? There are other ways to relieve a stressful day than sleeping with other peoples children. There has NEVER been any record in the history of regressed adults, of anyone wanting to sleep with strangers children. He knew it was socially unacceptable and inappropriate, yet he still continued his behaviour even after his first allegation.

He was only regressed when it suited him.

You also talk about his messed up childhood. Well child-molesters often have a traumatic childhood.

“Evolution is fab!”

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#451 Aug 28, 2013
ChasUGC wrote:
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You never heard of childhood slumber parties?
Yes, that's where a group of children (all within a similar age range) have a sleepover at one of their friends house. Or if adults do it, its usually involves a group of young women getting together with their mates. Or if guys do it, it usually ends with a night on the town drinking booze.

What exactly is your point, Chastity?

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#452 Aug 28, 2013
ChasUGC wrote:
<quoted text>Michael was just reliving his lost childhood through his young fans and friends.
Wacko Jacko was reliving his loss childhood? The man spent a large part of his adult life in and out of bed with unrelated little boys. He went to extraordinary lengths to make them happen. Childhoods do not last that long - properly only 10 years or so, Chastity. Wacko Jacko spent at the bare minimum nearly 1000 nights in bed with unrelated little boys over a period of many, many years. And that is just based on the legal documents, the true number probably goes into the thousands.

Please tell me what man you know of that spends thousands upon thousands of nights in bed with unrelated little children because he didn't have a proper childhood?

“Evolution is fab!”

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#453 Aug 28, 2013
ChasUGC wrote:
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Michael always had children around him because he felt safe.
They made him feel safe? What was Wacko Jacko going to do? Use them as a shield in case a maniac with a machete broke into his home?

You are clearly making no sense here, Chastity. Try using that common sense that evolution gave you.
persephone

Mountain View, CA

#454 Aug 28, 2013
Butterballs wrote:
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Wacko Jacko was reliving his loss childhood? The man spent a large part of his adult life in and out of bed with unrelated little boys. He went to extraordinary lengths to make them happen. Childhoods do not last that long - properly only 10 years or so, Chastity. Wacko Jacko spent at the bare minimum nearly 1000 nights in bed with unrelated little boys over a period of many, many years. And that is just based on the legal documents, the true number probably goes into the thousands.
Please tell me what man you know of that spends thousands upon thousands of nights in bed with unrelated little children because he didn't have a proper childhood?
Becoming psychologically 'stuck' in a fantasy of childhood is not synonymous with being a pedophile.

This was someone who spent many years sharing beds and bedrooms with his brothers. That probably gave him a sense of security, something which he sought to recapture years later as an adult. That obviously wasn't a good idea, for many reasons, but that still doesn't make him a pedophile.

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Since: Jun 10

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#455 Aug 28, 2013
persephone wrote:
<quoted text> Becoming psychologically 'stuck' in a fantasy of childhood is not synonymous with being a pedophile.
This was someone who spent many years sharing beds and bedrooms with his brothers. That probably gave him a sense of security, something which he sought to recapture years later as an adult. That obviously wasn't a good idea, for many reasons, but that still doesn't make him a pedophile.
Just wondering, Persef'looney, why was it better for him to share his bed with other people's children instead of his own shop bought ones? Any ideas?

Have a ponder and get back to me, would you. There's a love.:-)

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