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Many friends knew MJ personally and none think he was a pedophile. Even though he was divorced from his wives they both still think highly of him and still love him. Victims came out in small chunks?
Jordan, Gavin and Wade are all victims of money not sexual abuse. I pity them.
Michael's friends and family knew he was a pedophile. Jordan accurately described Michael's blotchy penis, so I'd say he was a victim. Gavin was a victim how never tried to get a dime, out of Pedo Pan. There were three people who witnessed Wade being molested, so I'd say he was a victim, too.

Go ahead and keep deceiving yourself.

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Jermaine 7 wrote:
<quoted text> I will never stop defending him.
Thats because you're suffering from celebrity worship syndrome
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Pishpash1234 wrote:
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Thats because you're suffering from celebrity worship syndrome
Not true, someone can defend MJ because they think he was innocent, which has nothing to do with his celebrity status.
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Len is Disgusted wrote:
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Michael's friends and family knew he was a pedophile. Jordan accurately described Michael's blotchy penis, so I'd say he was a victim. Gavin was a victim how never tried to get a dime, out of Pedo Pan. There were three people who witnessed Wade being molested, so I'd say he was a victim, too.
Go ahead and keep deceiving yourself.
Once again it is necessary to remind you of the fact that there is NO independent corroboration outside of the prosecution's inner circle that Jordan's drawings were a match.

Any alleged match would not necessarily 'prove' molestation. It would have been interesting to see just how both Evan and Jordan Chandler would have fared on the witness stand.

It also is no coincidence that Janet Arvizo consulted with Larry Feldman, so clearly she had $$$ in her eyes.

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persephone wrote:
<quoted text> Once again it is necessary to remind you of the fact that there is NO independent corroboration outside of the prosecution's inner circle that Jordan's drawings were a match.
Any alleged match would not necessarily 'prove' molestation. It would have been interesting to see just how both Evan and Jordan Chandler would have fared on the witness stand.
It also is no coincidence that Janet Arvizo consulted with Larry Feldman, so clearly she had $$$ in her eyes.
Most f'loons are stupid and deluded. You, on the other hand, are just plain stubborn.

1. Three people saw the drawing, description, and photos of Michael's blemished penis (Judge Melville's words), and knew it was a match.

Tom Sneddon.

http://www.sbscpublicaccess.org/docs/ctdocs/0...

Tom Mesereau.

http://www.sbscpublicaccess.org/docs/ctdocs/0...

Judge Melville.

http://www.mjfacts.info/transcripts/Court_Tra...

At this point, it's obvious you're just digging in your heals, by refusing to admit you're wrong. Mesereau had prime opportunity to serve Jordan and Evan Chandler a subpoena and get them on the witness stand. I find it curious he did not cease such an opportunity.

2. Janet Arvizo first went to Jamie Masada, to stop the Bashir documentary from being aired. She also wanted her family's visas, I.D.'s, etc., returned to her. She never once discussed getting money from Michael.

Testimonies of Dr. Stanley Katz (begins page 111) and Bill Dickerman (begins page 276).

http://www.mjfacts.info/transcripts/Court_Tra...

Larry Feldman's testimony (begins on page 153).

http://www.mjfacts.info/transcripts/Court%20T...

There it is, Pedophone. You are wrong, on all accounts.

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Correction: Seize such an opportunity.

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Pishpash1234 wrote:
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Thats because you're suffering from celebrity worship syndrome
Stupid..it is because he was totally innocent and deserves my loyalty.

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persephone wrote:
<quoted text> Not true, someone can defend MJ because they think he was innocent, which has nothing to do with his celebrity status.
Would you defend and excuse any other person to the level you do?

If a man with multiple allegations and witnesses owned photographs and books of naked boys whilst having their penis correctly described by a 13 year old boy - would you excuse his behaviour to this degree?

Celebrity Worship also co-sides with The Halo Effect. The Halo Effect is having a positive perception based on their status and image.

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Jermaine 7 wrote:
<quoted text>Stupid..it is because he was totally innocent and deserves my loyalty.
Its sometimes best to be humble and admit that MJ indulged himself in questionable behaviour

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persephone wrote:
<quoted text> Once again it is necessary to remind you of the fact that there is NO independent corroboration outside of the prosecution's inner circle that Jordan's drawings were a match.
Any alleged match would not necessarily 'prove' molestation. It would have been interesting to see just how both Evan and Jordan Chandler would have fared on the witness stand.
It also is no coincidence that Janet Arvizo consulted with Larry Feldman, so clearly she had $$$ in her eyes.
You repeatedly demonstrate that you are unable to debate anything about Jacko without resorting to false claims, twisting posts to suit your own agenda and personal attacks on the opposition. Your bias against Jacko's victims and others prevent you from being able to discuss the subject at all.

Again, Len has provided evidence that both Judge Melville and Thomas Mesereau thought Jordie's drawings were a match with the photographs of Jacko's genitalia. Once again you fail to understand that those drawings and photographs had every right to be at that criminal trial as Californian law permits prior bad acts whether or not they resulted in a criminal prosecution.

Len has also posted a legal document about the Arvizo's and Larry Freeman umpteen times. Never once did they go to him but were referred and once they were they never once discuss money with him. It's funny that a child hater like you keeps ignoring such an important fact especially after you inadvertently reveal that Gavin had right up until his 18th birthday to make a claim against Pedo Pan but he didn't.

Get help for your celebrity worship syndrome before it destroys you. Seriously.

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Pishpash1234 wrote:
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Would you defend and excuse any other person to the level you do?
If a man with multiple allegations and witnesses owned photographs and books of naked boys whilst having their penis correctly described by a 13 year old boy - would you excuse his behaviour to this degree?
Celebrity Worship also co-sides with The Halo Effect. The Halo Effect is having a positive perception based on their status and image.
When floons are presented with the question would they support their next-door neighbour or the guy down the road if he was enticing unrelated little boys or girls into his home and bed the way Wacko Jacko did they go awfully quiet.

The truth is they shy away from this question because they wouldn't support that behaviour, but in Jacko's case they let the celebrity worship syndrome takeover and want to believe he was a special case and has such a rotten childhood he just had to do it.

And when it comes to the items/evidence against him such as the paedophile books, motion sensor alarm, complete lack of adult sexual partners and the splotch on his penis, they just pretend it doesn't exist or have a million reasons to excuse it.

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Pishpash1234 wrote:
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Its sometimes best to be humble and admit that MJ indulged himself in questionable behaviour
I can't see that happening. Jermaine (if that really is his name) has trouble accepting that he's really a woman and not a man.
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Butterballs wrote:
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When floons are presented with the question would they support their next-door neighbour or the guy down the road if he was enticing unrelated little boys or girls into his home and bed the way Wacko Jacko did they go awfully quiet.
The truth is they shy away from this question because they wouldn't support that behaviour, but in Jacko's case they let the celebrity worship syndrome takeover and want to believe he was a special case and has such a rotten childhood he just had to do it.
And when it comes to the items/evidence against him such as the paedophile books, motion sensor alarm, complete lack of adult sexual partners and the splotch on his penis, they just pretend it doesn't exist or have a million reasons to excuse it.
Wrong, what you're calling 'excuses' happen to be facts.

Those books were not 'pedophile books'; he was not charged with possession of child pornogoraphy, depictions of nudity are not automatically categorized as 'erotic', no matter how much you may think so.

How many adult sexual partners a person has is no indicator of whether or not he might be a pedophile. There are adults who have adult sex and yet also are pedophiles. Celibacy is also a lifestyle choice. No one has any obligation to have sex just to 'prove' something to the rest of society.

Only in the hater imagination is there a sinister purpose for the motion sensor alarms. I wonder what the security company who installed them would have to say abut them. MJ probably wasn't the only one to have such an alarm system installed for security purposes, NOT as a warning signal to stop molestation.

It is a fact that two grand juries decided against indictment because without Jordan's testimony, there wasn't enough evidence to proceed with an indictment. Those drawings alone don't prove much of anything.

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persephone wrote:
<quoted text> Wrong, what you're calling 'excuses' happen to be facts.
Those books were not 'pedophile books'; he was not charged with possession of child pornogoraphy, depictions of nudity are not automatically categorized as 'erotic', no matter how much you may think so.
How many adult sexual partners a person has is no indicator of whether or not he might be a pedophile. There are adults who have adult sex and yet also are pedophiles. Celibacy is also a lifestyle choice. No one has any obligation to have sex just to 'prove' something to the rest of society.
Only in the hater imagination is there a sinister purpose for the motion sensor alarms. I wonder what the security company who installed them would have to say abut them. MJ probably wasn't the only one to have such an alarm system installed for security purposes, NOT as a warning signal to stop molestation.
It is a fact that two grand juries decided against indictment because without Jordan's testimony, there wasn't enough evidence to proceed with an indictment. Those drawings alone don't prove much of anything.
More of the,... "In and of itself" spiel?

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Butterballs wrote:
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I can't see that happening. Jermaine (if that really is his name) has trouble accepting that he's really a woman and not a man.
Do I now? Seems you have trouble keepin your mouth shut. Do I need to assist you butterfck?

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Pishpash1234 wrote:
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Its sometimes best to be humble and admit that MJ indulged himself in questionable behaviour
Why would I ever do that? MJ was innocent...you and your sidekicks do enuff of that.
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Oct 22, 2013
 
How ever this page was suppose to be how we feel for Michael? So jerks get back in your prams.suck back on your dummies.and grow up.at your age
You cant be Jealous of Michael all your life

Michael is Innocent no question.com pletely Innocent.and you know.sneddon.was out to set him up along with his fruit cakes.they never found one piece of evedence.they could not pin one thing on Michael..the only thing came out of sneddons mouth was lie after lie.he Just wanted to destroy Michael.he seemed that kind of guy.

Michael always looked like a model.he just looked so good. MJ such a good person and a good man
Hes so very precious to us.hes our everything
Leave Innocent man alone

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Jermaine 7 wrote:
<quoted text>Do I now? Seems you have trouble keepin your mouth shut. Do I need to assist you butterfck?
There goes that purse, swinging round and round....

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persephone wrote:
<quoted text> Wrong, what you're calling 'excuses' happen to be facts.
Those books were not 'pedophile books'; he was not charged with possession of child pornogoraphy, depictions of nudity are not automatically categorized as 'erotic', no matter how much you may think so.
How many adult sexual partners a person has is no indicator of whether or not he might be a pedophile. There are adults who have adult sex and yet also are pedophiles. Celibacy is also a lifestyle choice. No one has any obligation to have sex just to 'prove' something to the rest of society.
Only in the hater imagination is there a sinister purpose for the motion sensor alarms. I wonder what the security company who installed them would have to say abut them. MJ probably wasn't the only one to have such an alarm system installed for security purposes, NOT as a warning signal to stop molestation.
It is a fact that two grand juries decided against indictment because without Jordan's testimony, there wasn't enough evidence to proceed with an indictment. Those drawings alone don't prove much of anything.
I'm going to list responses to your questionable posts, one by one.

1. Why would a grown man want to own books of nude and seminude boys, photographed by pedophiles, edited by pedophiles, recommended by pedophiles for other pedophiles, and are found by criminologists to be in the possession of people with an unhealthy interest in children? I can provide links for you.

2. Pedophiles sometimes marry. But according to Kenneth Lanning, those relationships are unsuccessful and unsatisfactory because the pedophile only relates to children. I can provide you with links to his pedophile profiling.

3. The police, the employees, the children all mentioned a sensory alarm, near Michael's bedroom. There were no such alarms for his children's bedrooms nor any other part of that house. I can provide the links to the documents, again.

4. Since I have just given you proof Sneddon, Mesereau, and Judge Melville saw the drawing, description, and photos and knew they matched. I have provided you with links to those documents and transcripts. You have yet to provide me with links to legal documents about the supposed two grand juries. Provide them or stop talking about them.

I'd like to laugh at you and tell you to keep on spinning around your hamster wheel. However, I'm going to tell you, right now, to stop spinning on it.

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persephone wrote:
<quoted text> Wrong, what you're calling 'excuses' happen to be facts.
Those books were not 'pedophile books'; he was not charged with possession of child pornogoraphy, depictions of nudity are not automatically categorized as 'erotic', no matter how much you may think so.
Another perfect example that you have to twist things and insert words that nobody has used. However an individual like you classify those books is no interest to me. What is interesting though is that at least two of those naked boy books that Wacko owned are recommended by a paedophile organisation and often found in the homes of paedophiles because they can get hold of them legally. Oh, I think, Len has also posted proof that "Boys Will Be Boys" was made by a paedophile.

If you don't think it is a little bit strange/suspicious that a man like Wacko Jacko (who by the fitted the profile of a paedophile and had a thing for sleeping with unrelated little boys) was collecting such material then you truly are a deluded celebrity worshipper.

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