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Patrick

Canton, CT

#1 Apr 30, 2013
Michael were, with one allegation of paedophilia after another and another and another… Oh dear. I knew some of the musicians he toured with, and specifically one who quit because of seeing boys coming out of the hotel rooms.... Well, you know, where there’s smoke there’s fire. There’s no question in my mind he molested those kids. Not a doubt. Michael’s on tape going,‘Give the kids Jesus juice.’ Which is wine. I mean, it’s just endless
Patrick

Canton, CT

#2 Apr 30, 2013
Adrian McManus, Jackson's personal maid who, as mentioned, was the only person who had access to his bedroom, remembered the scramble the day before the raid.... "...I took sheets stained with dried semen and excrement most definitely from Jackson and Brett Barnes [the Australian boy]. They also hid suitcases with photos, videos and documents, video cameras, photo equipment and tripods. The guards took furniture and Michael's spring mattress, which most definitely carried evidence of sexual activity."
Security guards also told of hiding evidence. "I was in charge of taking more private things like the bottle of Vaseline, pants and traces of excrement, not stains, but excrement that he put in a bag so that Adrian could wash it at another location," said Ralph Chacon accusingly. "I also took bottles of alcohol from Michael's bedroom, alcohol that was drunk by Brett and other boys that would come to visit."
Brenda

Houston, TX

#3 Apr 30, 2013
Adrian McManus stated that she "remembered the scramble the day before the raid". Really? When did law enforcement start giving PRIOR notice of their intent to search for evidence at the residence of a suspected criminal? This woman is lying & she lied under oath in 2005 at the trial. Secondly, Michael & his kids were out of town in Las Vegas at the time of the raid filming a planned CBS special. If there was dried semen and excrement on the sheets, why, as Michael's maid, hadn't she changed the bed & washed the sheets. Michael obviously wasn't using the bed. He wasn't even at home! Thirdly, what type of a person who witnessed these type of going ons on a regular basis wouldn't have quit this job or at the very least have preserved the evidence & taken it to police? You don't have to have liked Michael. But don't allow that dislike to make you into a gullible fool who will believe ANYTHING you're told!!!
Brenda

Houston, TX

#4 Apr 30, 2013
Patrick wrote:
Michael were, with one allegation of paedophilia after another and another and another… Oh dear. I knew some of the musicians he toured with, and specifically one who quit because of seeing boys coming out of the hotel rooms.... Well, you know, where there’s smoke there’s fire. There’s no question in my mind he molested those kids. Not a doubt. Michael’s on tape going,‘Give the kids Jesus juice.’ Which is wine. I mean, it’s just endless
All the musicians Michael has toured with over all the 40 some years of touring & only one quit because of seeing boys coming out of the hotel rooms. No one else, just one musician quit? Really, Really weak, wouldn't you say? And if accusing MJ of pedophilia would net me 25 million dollars and I had no conscience, I'd accuse him too!

“at yet more f'loonspin”

Since: Aug 11

I live far away from f'loons

#5 May 1, 2013
Brenda wrote:
Adrian McManus stated that she "remembered the scramble the day before the raid". Really? When did law enforcement start giving PRIOR notice of their intent to search for evidence at the residence of a suspected criminal? This woman is lying & she lied under oath in 2005 at the trial. Secondly, Michael & his kids were out of town in Las Vegas at the time of the raid filming a planned CBS special. If there was dried semen and excrement on the sheets, why, as Michael's maid, hadn't she changed the bed & washed the sheets. Michael obviously wasn't using the bed. He wasn't even at home! Thirdly, what type of a person who witnessed these type of going ons on a regular basis wouldn't have quit this job or at the very least have preserved the evidence & taken it to police? You don't have to have liked Michael. But don't allow that dislike to make you into a gullible fool who will believe ANYTHING you're told!!!
Somebody inside the LAPD tipped off those at Neverland Ranch there was going to be a raid. The informer was later ratted out. I'll have to look for the report, as I can't remember his name.

Quit making excuses for a drug-addicted child molester and blaming other people for his revolting behavior. Since the semen-stained sheets were part of the 14 items Mesereau wanted kept out of the courtroom, it ought to enter your head something untoward happened in Michael's bedroom, with little boys.

“at yet more f'loonspin”

Since: Aug 11

I live far away from f'loons

#6 May 1, 2013
Brenda wrote:
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All the musicians Michael has toured with over all the 40 some years of touring & only one quit because of seeing boys coming out of the hotel rooms. No one else, just one musician quit? Really, Really weak, wouldn't you say? And if accusing MJ of pedophilia would net me 25 million dollars and I had no conscience, I'd accuse him too!
He also paid $2,000,000 to another child's family. No innocent man would pay off multiple families who accused him of child molestation, especially when one of them accurately described a marking on his penis. He would fight tooth and nail, for his good name.
Nina

London, UK

#7 May 18, 2014
Len is Disgusted wrote:
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Somebody inside the LAPD tipped off those at Neverland Ranch there was going to be a raid. The informer was later ratted out. I'll have to look for the report, as I can't remember his name.
Quit making excuses for a drug-addicted child molester and blaming other people for his revolting behavior. Since the semen-stained sheets were part of the 14 items Mesereau wanted kept out of the courtroom, it ought to enter your head something untoward happened in Michael's bedroom, with little boys.
Semen stained sheets were part of 14 items mesereau wanted kept away...where have you got this? Also what would a member of the LAPD gain from tipping Neverland off? Were they a Michael Jackson fan? Don't get it. That raid was over the top, do you think they wouldn't have found anything at all? They found all his porn lol, accessed his computer and saw everything he had looked at for months before. The staff may have hid some sheets or whatever, I find it hard to believe they could't find anything at all.

“Agent Provocateur”

Since: May 14

Location hidden

#9 May 18, 2014
Len is Disgusted wrote:
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Somebody inside the LAPD tipped off those at Neverland Ranch there was going to be a raid. The informer was later ratted out. I'll have to look for the report, as I can't remember his name.
Quit making excuses for a drug-addicted child molester and blaming other people for his revolting behavior. Since the semen-stained sheets were part of the 14 items Mesereau wanted kept out of the courtroom, it ought to enter your head something untoward happened in Michael's bedroom, with little boys.
The thought of it makes me ill, I hope this dirty pedo will be exposed in full one day. Mesereau should stop worshiping a wannabe white, drug addicted pedo. It would certainly help his credibility.

“at yet more f'loonspin”

Since: Aug 11

I live far away from f'loons

#10 May 18, 2014
Nina wrote:
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Semen stained sheets were part of 14 items mesereau wanted kept away...where have you got this? Also what would a member of the LAPD gain from tipping Neverland off? Were they a Michael Jackson fan? Don't get it. That raid was over the top, do you think they wouldn't have found anything at all? They found all his porn lol, accessed his computer and saw everything he had looked at for months before. The staff may have hid some sheets or whatever, I find it hard to believe they could't find anything at all.
I'm so glad you asked that question. If always fills me with glee, to have an excuse to post legal documents. If f'loons won't read them, at least they are easy to find, for those who want to know the truth.

There were two different raids. One in 1993, and the second place, for the 2005 case. There are employees who said they were told to move incriminating items, from the grounds. Later, it was learned somebody in the police department tipped off Jackson and Company. I believe that person was later discovered and disciplined. I can't remember his name, at this time.

In the 1993 raid, two NAMBLA-recommended books of nude and seminude boys were found, in addition to a nude photo, of one of Michael's "special" friends. There was also a photo of a little boy, holding an umbrella, with his bikini pants partially pulled down. Those are listed on page 2. In the second raid, the police found quite a collection of photos of young boys.

http://www.sbscpublicaccess.org/docs/ctdocs/0...

Here is a link to the legal documents, in which Mesereau listed what he wanted kept out of court. Semen stains were listed as item 13. Oh, the semen-stained underpants of a different male were item 14. Read all about it, on pages 11 and 12. As an aside, the underpants were stored with a sheet that had another male's semen on it, along with children's clothes and Michael's underpants with drugs in his bloodstains. There are a few links for those documents, which I'd be delighted to post.

http://www.sbscpublicaccess.org/docs/ctdocs/0...

Here is the D.A.'s response. I like his response to Mesereau's comments about medical injections, as "treatment" for vitiligo. Page 5 - 6 and 14 - 15 should be of great interest to you.

http://www.sbscpublicaccess.org/docs/ctdocs/0...

Now, if you want to know who was allowed in Michael's bedroom, Blanca Francia discussed this, in her testimony, on pages 447 and 465 - 467. Helpful hint: Only little boys were allowed in his bedroom, and that was when he was home.

http://www.mjfacts.info/transcripts/Court_Tra...

When Kiki Fournier testified, she talked about Aldo Cascio, who spent "quality" time, alone with Michael. It's on page 51 and 106. This included little boys, who lived in the area. In fact, her entire testimony is chilling, since she went into detail about what she observed. She also referred to Michael's "Pinocchio's Pleasure Island."

http://www.mjfacts.info/transcripts/Court_Tra...

When using common sense to connect the dots, it's obvious the semen stains were deposited by little boys.

Since: May 14

Edinburgh, UK

#12 May 18, 2014
I see men/semen not little boys/buoys.

“at yet more f'loonspin”

Since: Aug 11

I live far away from f'loons

#15 May 18, 2014
Accurate Information wrote:
I see men/semen not little boys/buoys.
As much as you would like to deny it, people testified only little boys were allowed in Michael's bedroom, and that was when he was home. You might want to remove your blinders and accept the fact Michael's behavior with young boys was untoward and illegal.

“Agent Provocateur”

Since: May 14

Location hidden

#16 May 18, 2014
Len is Disgusted wrote:
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I'm so glad you asked that question. If always fills me with glee, to have an excuse to post legal documents. If f'loons won't read them, at least they are easy to find, for those who want to know the truth.
There were two different raids. One in 1993, and the second place, for the 2005 case. There are employees who said they were told to move incriminating items, from the grounds. Later, it was learned somebody in the police department tipped off Jackson and Company. I believe that person was later discovered and disciplined. I can't remember his name, at this time.
In the 1993 raid, two NAMBLA-recommended books of nude and seminude boys were found, in addition to a nude photo, of one of Michael's "special" friends. There was also a photo of a little boy, holding an umbrella, with his bikini pants partially pulled down. Those are listed on page 2. In the second raid, the police found quite a collection of photos of young boys.
http://www.sbscpublicaccess.org/docs/ctdocs/0...
Here is a link to the legal documents, in which Mesereau listed what he wanted kept out of court. Semen stains were listed as item 13. Oh, the semen-stained underpants of a different male were item 14. Read all about it, on pages 11 and 12. As an aside, the underpants were stored with a sheet that had another male's semen on it, along with children's clothes and Michael's underpants with drugs in his bloodstains. There are a few links for those documents, which I'd be delighted to post.
http://www.sbscpublicaccess.org/docs/ctdocs/0...
Here is the D.A.'s response. I like his response to Mesereau's comments about medical injections, as "treatment" for vitiligo. Page 5 - 6 and 14 - 15 should be of great interest to you.
http://www.sbscpublicaccess.org/docs/ctdocs/0...
Now, if you want to know who was allowed in Michael's bedroom, Blanca Francia discussed this, in her testimony, on pages 447 and 465 - 467. Helpful hint: Only little boys were allowed in his bedroom, and that was when he was home.
http://www.mjfacts.info/transcripts/Court_Tra...
When Kiki Fournier testified, she talked about Aldo Cascio, who spent "quality" time, alone with Michael. It's on page 51 and 106. This included little boys, who lived in the area. In fact, her entire testimony is chilling, since she went into detail about what she observed. She also referred to Michael's "Pinocchio's Pleasure Island."
http://www.mjfacts.info/transcripts/Court_Tra...
When using common sense to connect the dots, it's obvious the semen stains were deposited by little boys.
Just out of curiosity, what makes you think the stains were from little boys? Because Desiree (who I'm sure you know) thinks they were from men, which is more probable?

“at yet more f'loonspin”

Since: Aug 11

I live far away from f'loons

#18 May 19, 2014
CandyC wrote:
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Just out of curiosity, what makes you think the stains were from little boys? Because Desiree (who I'm sure you know) thinks they were from men, which is more probable?
What Jina said.

Besides, click on the links to the transcripts I posted. The maids testified only little boys were allowed in Michael's bedroom, and that was when he was home. I can post links to the documents about the duck-butter-stained mattress, mattress pad, sheets, and underpants. I'm just going with what the evidence shows.

“Dark Lord of All.”

Since: Jun 13

The Untempered Schism.

#19 May 19, 2014
CandyC wrote:
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Just out of curiosity, what makes you think the stains were from little boys? Because Desiree (who I'm sure you know) thinks they were from men, which is more probable?
How is it more probable when there is nothing to suggest Wacko had any sexual interest in men? He was not gay he was a pedophile... There is a BIG difference.

“Agent Provocateur”

Since: May 14

Location hidden

#20 May 19, 2014
Jina Wild_ wrote:
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Why on earth would Desiree think that when there is no evidence of him having shared his bed with men but plenty that he shared it with children?
I don't know, I've been reading her blog (mainly the comments) for a long time and I got the impression she thought that but I guess it's the wrong one. Why do you seem mad?

“Agent Provocateur”

Since: May 14

Location hidden

#21 May 19, 2014
Stormageddon wrote:
<quoted text> How is it more probable when there is nothing to suggest Wacko had any sexual interest in men? He was not gay he was a pedophile... There is a BIG difference.
If you read what I said you'd see I didn't say it was more probable, I just asked, jeez... and I know he was a pedo.

“Agent Provocateur”

Since: May 14

Location hidden

#22 May 19, 2014
Len is Disgusted wrote:
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What Jina said.
Besides, click on the links to the transcripts I posted. The maids testified only little boys were allowed in Michael's bedroom, and that was when he was home. I can post links to the documents about the duck-butter-stained mattress, mattress pad, sheets, and underpants. I'm just going with what the evidence shows.
And I agree with you. I didn't even know the maids testified that ONLY little boys were allowed in his bedroom, which is sick. I've already seen the documents regarding the duck butter soaked mattress and sheets, so you don't have to post them but thankyou anyway.

Why the f'loons ignore/overlook this evidence is staggering yet not surprising, they want to remain in their little fantasy world.

Since: May 14

Edinburgh, UK

#25 May 19, 2014
Jina Wild, you've never bothered to read Desiree's blog? I think you WRITE Desiree's blog.

“Agent Provocateur”

Since: May 14

Location hidden

#26 May 19, 2014
Jina Wild_ wrote:
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Do I seem mad? As in crazy or angry? I'm neither - just gobsmacked that a person would try to promote Wacko as gay when it was evident that his interest lay in boys, not men. I've never bothered to read Desiree's blog though so maybe I misunderstood your comment regarding her confusion?
I meant mad as in angry, and okay then I understand. Well, if you looked at Desiree's blog the entries I'm referring to is titled 'EXPLOSIVE PROOF: Michael Jackson was gay' and 'An Addendum to "Michael Jackson was gay'. Lol. And yeah I think a few people have misunderstood me but it's all good...

“Dark Lord of All.”

Since: Jun 13

The Untempered Schism.

#27 May 19, 2014
CandyC wrote:
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If you read what I said you'd see I didn't say it was more probable, I just asked, jeez... and I know he was a pedo.
Then you'll have to forgive me. Perhaps I was just a little confused by your post. There are a surprising number of people who can equate pedophilia with young boys for homosexuality.

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