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On November 25, 2013, right after being released from prison, Dr. Conrad Murray has made shocking revelations about him and Michael Jackson.

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“at yet more f'loonspin”

Since: Aug 11

I live far away from f'loons

#71 Dec 6, 2013
Octopus wrote:
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Gavin's mother, Janet was not on trial. If I was on the jury, I would've looked at all the evidence before making a decision. Mesereau did an excellent job for Michael but at the same time, Michael never got the real help he needed. I doubt that if Michael was found guilty, he would have been put in prison with hardcore criminals. It would have probably saved his life and he would of had to face up to reality. Tom Mesereau did him an injustice. I really do not care what the JP Penny scam was about because it still had nothing to do with whether or not MJ molested Gavin.
You are absolutely right. But one by one, I have surprised even myself how easy it has been to prove their deeply held beliefs false. For example, the maid was not fired. She quit.
JlNA WlLD

UK

#72 Dec 6, 2013
Len is Disgusted wrote:
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This is why I'm looking at the evidence and wondering what the missing puzzle pieces are. Shortly after you posted the link, a poster who called himself/herself Al Malnik claimed Michael was involved in some way. Who knows who and what that was about. I think it was on the Pellicano thread? Before I can make a correct conclusion, we need a witness to clarify whether or not Pwdo Pan was involved. in the meantime, the puzzle pieces both raise questions and reveal some obvious truths; namely, Michael wa a pedophile.
In the meantime, the laundry-bag contents and receipts are further proof Pedo Pan messed with children. It also brings to mind the story of the Las Vegas hotel room Michael and a group of boys trashed. But we'd need Garden City Hotel to explain the condition of that room.
We know Meaereau did not want Dieter's name and brothel mentioned in court. Dieter's name was on some of the hotel receipts. He also did not want Al's name and relationship with Michael mentioned in court. And Brett said Michael and he slept with Prince. In any case, Michael was a pedophile and kept unsavory company.
I know, Len. The more you Google and the deeper you search, the more it shows that every last person that defended him was shady to the core. It also shows that the good people who could out him for what he was were done over by a man clever enough to know that if you discredit the honesty of the teller, you discredit their testimony against you.

Ruthless people use ruthless means, and Wacko was nothing if not ruthless. That's why I laugh out loud when idiotic f'loons like Jermaine make their patronising statements of "you don't know what was in his heart". Yep, we do. And it was dirty.
l want you back Michael

UK

#73 Dec 6, 2013
JlNA WlLD wrote:
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I know, Len. The more you Google and the deeper you search, the more it shows that every last person that defended him was shady to the core. It also shows that the good people who could out him for what he was were done over by a man clever enough to know that if you discredit the honesty of the teller, you discredit their testimony against you.
Ruthless people use ruthless means, and Wacko was nothing if not ruthless. That's why I laugh out loud when idiotic f'loons like Jermaine make their patronising statements of "you don't know what was in his heart". Yep, we do. And it was dirty.
Its so true you dont know what is in his heart.Michael was a person who had feelings.
You the haters are the only people who are wacko
You are strange as it gets.dont you come on here
And speak about Michael like that.you do not know him..Michael never did anything to anybody.you really need to start growing up .and act your age.
Michael is totally and completely Innocent.I completely trust him .all you haters suck
persephone

Sunnyvale, CA

#74 Dec 6, 2013
JlNA WlLD wrote:
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I know, Len. The more you Google and the deeper you search, the more it shows that every last person that defended him was shady to the core. It also shows that the good people who could out him for what he was were done over by a man clever enough to know that if you discredit the honesty of the teller, you discredit their testimony against you.
Ruthless people use ruthless means, and Wacko was nothing if not ruthless. That's why I laugh out loud when idiotic f'loons like Jermaine make their patronising statements of "you don't know what was in his heart". Yep, we do. And it was dirty.
Nothing's dirtier than the parade of shady characters and low-lifes that the prosecution trotted out for everyone to see. Only you and your hater pals could look at that bunch and not see them for the scum they were.

It's ironic when you accuse the opposition of ignorance and bias when you yourself exhibit those same traits.

“at yet more f'loonspin”

Since: Aug 11

I live far away from f'loons

#76 Dec 6, 2013
persephone wrote:
<quoted text> Nothing's dirtier than the parade of shady characters and low-lifes that the prosecution trotted out for everyone to see. Only you and your hater pals could look at that bunch and not see them for the scum they were.
It's ironic when you accuse the opposition of ignorance and bias when you yourself exhibit those same traits.
Nothing is dirtier than the cast of characters Michael chose for company. For example, what grown man chooses to befriend a brothel owner? Bear in mind you are the company you keep.

Don't insult the people who called out Michael's sick behavior for what it was.

“Waiting for f'loons to wake up”

Since: Dec 06

Goofybaboon's Not Listening

#78 Dec 6, 2013
Len is Disgusted wrote:
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In the meantime, the laundry-bag contents and receipts are further proof Pedo Pan messed with children. It also brings to mind the story of the Las Vegas hotel room Michael and a group of boys trashed. But we'd need Garden City Hotel to explain the condition of that room.
Ah yes, the finger-painted fecal-stained bed sheet incident. Wouldn't at all surprise me to learn Jacko had a nasty temper tantrum on a few of his hotel stays, just because something wasn't done for him.

“Waiting for f'loons to wake up”

Since: Dec 06

Goofybaboon's Not Listening

#79 Dec 6, 2013
JlNA WlLD wrote:
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I know, Len. The more you Google and the deeper you search, the more it shows that every last person that defended him was shady to the core. It also shows that the good people who could out him for what he was were done over by a man clever enough to know that if you discredit the honesty of the teller, you discredit their testimony against you.
Ruthless people use ruthless means, and Wacko was nothing if not ruthless. That's why I laugh out loud when idiotic f'loons like Jermaine make their patronising statements of "you don't know what was in his heart". Yep, we do. And it was dirty.
Recall the laughing 12y.o. pet rat starving brat? That was all I needed to see, to determine that Michael Jackson was a twisted deviant who'd have no qualms using any means to silence/discredit people in the future. If you really want to catch a glimpse at those who are destined to use people, just watch for the signs of a youth torturing pets or animals. Jackson was sick even then.

“at yet more f'loonspin”

Since: Aug 11

I live far away from f'loons

#80 Dec 7, 2013
Reality_Awaits wrote:
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Recall the laughing 12y.o. pet rat starving brat? That was all I needed to see, to determine that Michael Jackson was a twisted deviant who'd have no qualms using any means to silence/discredit people in the future. If you really want to catch a glimpse at those who are destined to use people, just watch for the signs of a youth torturing pets or animals. Jackson was sick even then.
I never realized he did that, until Octo brought it up. Then I found other stories about him mistreating animals.

Since: Jun 13

Durham, NC

#81 Dec 7, 2013
He didn't take care of his rats nor his snakes. He used to buy rats just for snakes to eat them. But he has this fake story about he loved rats (lmao). I'm kinda disturbed by that "Ben" song. People claim it was about a rodent but I think MJ was telling us who he was singing that song. It was almost like a love song to another boy and seeing as he was a boy himself, they had to relate that it was a rodent. I believe his fascination with boys went as far back as the early 1970s.
JlNA WlLD

UK

#82 Dec 7, 2013
persephone wrote:
<quoted text> Nothing's dirtier than the parade of shady characters and low-lifes that the prosecution trotted out for everyone to see. Only you and your hater pals could look at that bunch and not see them for the scum they were.
It's ironic when you accuse the opposition of ignorance and bias when you yourself exhibit those same traits.
Janet Arvizo could have been a serial killer. It still doesn't mean that Wacko didn't touch her son.

“at yet more f'loonspin”

Since: Aug 11

I live far away from f'loons

#85 Dec 7, 2013
BadMan84 wrote:
He didn't take care of his rats nor his snakes. He used to buy rats just for snakes to eat them. But he has this fake story about he loved rats (lmao). I'm kinda disturbed by that "Ben" song. People claim it was about a rodent but I think MJ was telling us who he was singing that song. It was almost like a love song to another boy and seeing as he was a boy himself, they had to relate that it was a rodent. I believe his fascination with boys went as far back as the early 1970s.
Good lord, you have a point there. How does the public know he wasn't singing about a little boy or expressing his appalling development of a desire for underage boys. I wish to god somebody had gotten him to therapy, before he reached adulthood.

*shudder*

“at yet more f'loonspin”

Since: Aug 11

I live far away from f'loons

#86 Dec 7, 2013
Subliminal Criminal wrote:
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Very true, but that doesn't mean he did either, as the jury decided.
Prostitutes can also be liars, as you have so shown in all your posts.
Jina points out the truth Michael was a pedophile, and you insinuate she was a prostitute. How dare you.

Yes, we know a starstruck jury let him off the hook. But after reading what Dr. Stanley Katz, Bill Dickerman, and Larry Feldman had to say, I believe the child was molested. For a long time, I was neutral. That neutrality has now been removed. The trial was not about Janet Arviso's character. It was about whether or not Michael molested her son.

But I have so much fun killing f'loon myths, one by one, I'd like to know what really happened, in the JC Penny incident. After all, I enjoyed posting links to the testimony of Blanca Francia, revealing she was not fired.

Since: Apr 10

Location hidden

#87 Dec 7, 2013
Len is Disgusted wrote:
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Good lord, you have a point there. How does the public know he wasn't singing about a little boy or expressing his appalling development of a desire for underage boys. I wish to god somebody had gotten him to therapy, before he reached adulthood.
*shudder*
The songs were presumably about women because romantic songs professing his love for adolescent boys simply just wouldn't sell well.:-)
Octopus

Schenectady, NY

#88 Dec 7, 2013
Len is Disgusted wrote:
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Jina points out the truth Michael was a pedophile, and you insinuate she was a prostitute. How dare you.
Yes, we know a starstruck jury let him off the hook. But after reading what Dr. Stanley Katz, Bill Dickerman, and Larry Feldman had to say, I believe the child was molested. For a long time, I was neutral. That neutrality has now been removed. The trial was not about Janet Arviso's character. It was about whether or not Michael molested her son.
But I have so much fun killing f'loon myths, one by one, I'd like to know what really happened, in the JC Penny incident. After all, I enjoyed posting links to the testimony of Blanca Francia, revealing she was not fired.
From what I understand, Janet Arviso was tackled to the ground in JP Penny's parking lot after being caught shoplifting. She was injured pretty badly and I guess instead of going through a lawsuit, JP Penny settled with her. Still, it had nothing to do with whether or not her son, Gavin was molested by Michael Jackson. Since Tom Mesereau had dirt on her, he used it to imply that they were basically in on trying to scam Michael. Too bad Tom Sneddon had to say that all of Michael's boy books were legal to own because the jury did not bother to look at the damaging evidence. The jury just went with reasonable doubt rather than experience something uncomfortable. It was a brilliant move by Mesereau to get his client cleared off child molestation charges.
Octopus

Schenectady, NY

#89 Dec 7, 2013
Len is Disgusted wrote:
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I never realized he did that, until Octo brought it up. Then I found other stories about him mistreating animals.
I first read his abuse of animals in a dollar store book years ago before I even had a computer. I am kind of new to the idea of having a computer till more recent years. Anyway, I love animals and was disgusted by what was claimed and witnessed. The rat story is apparently an old one that was published in Rolling Stone (I think it was Rolling Stone magazine or maybe another publication) in the late seventies. Michael was interviewed and laughed about freezing his pet rats after they starting eatting each other in their filthy cages. The clown neglected to feed them. He seemed to treat animals as toys for his amusement. Later, when he had Neverland zoo in which he crammed his wild animals in tight cages, he thought it was fun to throw rocks at them.

“at yet more f'loonspin”

Since: Aug 11

I live far away from f'loons

#90 Dec 7, 2013
Octopus wrote:
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From what I understand, Janet Arviso was tackled to the ground in JP Penny's parking lot after being caught shoplifting. She was injured pretty badly and I guess instead of going through a lawsuit, JP Penny settled with her. Still, it had nothing to do with whether or not her son, Gavin was molested by Michael Jackson. Since Tom Mesereau had dirt on her, he used it to imply that they were basically in on trying to scam Michael. Too bad Tom Sneddon had to say that all of Michael's boy books were legal to own because the jury did not bother to look at the damaging evidence. The jury just went with reasonable doubt rather than experience something uncomfortable. It was a brilliant move by Mesereau to get his client cleared off child molestation charges.
Actally, I just read an article, by none other than Diane Dimond herself, in which Gavin just got married. She said the father concocted the scheme, and Janet got caught in the middle of it when she walked into the parking lot. You're right. The trial was about whether or not Michael molested her son. But I enjoy reading legal documents because it's fun to have hardcore proof f'loons are wrong. As I'm sure you've seen, I make a point of reminding f'loons the trial was not about Janet's character. But I would love to have the legal documents about the case to kill more deeply held f'loon beliefs.

As an fyi, when I read about the Arvisos being so-called grifters, the people questioned on the witness stand always mentioned the father. If anyone was a grifter, it was the father.

“at yet more f'loonspin”

Since: Aug 11

I live far away from f'loons

#91 Dec 7, 2013
Pop Tart- wrote:
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The songs were presumably about women because romantic songs professing his love for adolescent boys simply just wouldn't sell well.:-)
Hahaha!

Just think. Billie Jean may actually be about a little boy.
Octopus

Schenectady, NY

#92 Dec 8, 2013
Len is Disgusted wrote:
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Actally, I just read an article, by none other than Diane Dimond herself, in which Gavin just got married. She said the father concocted the scheme, and Janet got caught in the middle of it when she walked into the parking lot. You're right. The trial was about whether or not Michael molested her son. But I enjoy reading legal documents because it's fun to have hardcore proof f'loons are wrong. As I'm sure you've seen, I make a point of reminding f'loons the trial was not about Janet's character. But I would love to have the legal documents about the case to kill more deeply held f'loon beliefs.
As an fyi, when I read about the Arvisos being so-called grifters, the people questioned on the witness stand always mentioned the father. If anyone was a grifter, it was the father.
I never knew that the father concocted the scheme.

Interesting.

“Why can't you share your bed?”

Since: May 13

Canada

#95 Dec 8, 2013
Jermaine 7 wrote:
<quoted text>What will you say when you find out how wrong you are about MJ? Will you have remorse..apologise...make more cruel comments.......:(
)
Where is the evidence that exonerates him from having molested young Jordan Chandler??? I've been searching for it since 1994 and still haven't seen it.

“Why can't you share your bed?”

Since: May 13

Canada

#96 Dec 8, 2013
Len is Disgusted wrote:
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Actally, I just read an article, by none other than Diane Dimond herself, in which Gavin just got married. She said the father concocted the scheme, and Janet got caught in the middle of it when she walked into the parking lot. You're right. The trial was about whether or not Michael molested her son. But I enjoy reading legal documents because it's fun to have hardcore proof f'loons are wrong. As I'm sure you've seen, I make a point of reminding f'loons the trial was not about Janet's character. But I would love to have the legal documents about the case to kill more deeply held f'loon beliefs.
As an fyi, when I read about the Arvisos being so-called grifters, the people questioned on the witness stand always mentioned the father. If anyone was a grifter, it was the father.
I saw the same article as well Len. F'loons will discredit the contents because Diane wrote it, but she's been more accurate on Wacko then other journalist in the past. I wish Judge Melville could have kept out the families litigation with JC Penny. I also believe the stuff about Jackson being cruel to animals. He seemed to get a kick out of teasing the animals. If you recall in the Bashir documentary they all went to the zoo and Jackson was eager to visit the gorillas. At one point you can hear him laughing like an idiot at them.

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