MJ owned book depicting nude childre...

InDaHouse

“New year, more f'loon denial”

Since: Jul 10

Dark Recesses, Your Mind

#163 Sep 25, 2012




You are aware of this...
Exonian wrote:
<quoted text>

The link you provided does not have any analysis of anything by a criminologist. It is merely an evidence list and report by a Detective Bonner in which he details some of the material seized in the investigation and identifies those items that he considers may have some evidentiary value for the prosecution case, including if he believes it "can be" or "could be" used in a grooming process.
So why write this?
Exonian wrote:
<quoted text>

I guess the clear evidence of what he was ACTUALLY getting his rocks off to, IN PRIVATE, is just too difficult to take in.
It was clearly written that there was porn strewn right through Neverland - Wacko's bedroom, the video arcade, the library, the office... it was everywhere! Wacko didn't have to show it to any kid - they could just pick it up any time they wanted.
Exonian wrote:
<quoted text>

If you want to insist that ownership of a couple of books that NAMBLA allegedly recommends (which had not been in MJ's possession since 1993 and which were just 2 books out of a vast library of around 10,000 multi-subject books) were somehow proof of his sexual preferences then that's your choice.
It is when the books were kept entirely seperate from the rest of his 'library of 10,000 books'. Those books were lovingly locked away in a cabinet in Wacko's bedroom - why is that do you think?

<insert Exef'loons vindicatemj spin here>

*laughter*

InDaHouse

“New year, more f'loon denial”

Since: Jul 10

Dark Recesses, Your Mind

#164 Sep 25, 2012
Exonian wrote:
<quoted text>
Oh dear! Another one who's living in a world of fantasy! What is it about the Haters on this forum? They all seem to develop alternate realities sooner or later. It must be an involuntary defence mechanism that clicks in when reality dawns that they've been talking out of their ar**s for years.
I'm sorry to see that you too have succumbed to the affliction, InDaDark.
Get well soon! <HUGS>
What... you mean you deny cracking up, or you deny Wacko slept with other people's children and owned child erotica? On both fronts you are fighting a losing battle, granny.

*laughter*

InDaHouse

“New year, more f'loon denial”

Since: Jul 10

Dark Recesses, Your Mind

#165 Sep 25, 2012
Exonian wrote:
<quoted text>
I have never stated or suggested that "it's perfectly fine for man/boy sleepovers" or that "there's nothing wrong with a book that features full frontal nudity of young boys being published".
Welcome to our side then! Finally you've seen that your position on Wacko's behaviour is untenable...

Who said you can't teach an old hag new tricks?

Since: Sep 09

Plymouth, UK

#166 Sep 25, 2012
InDaHouse wrote:
You are aware of this...
<quoted text>
So why write this?
<quoted text>
It was clearly written that there was porn strewn right through Neverland - Wacko's bedroom, the video arcade, the library, the office... it was everywhere! Wacko didn't have to show it to any kid - they could just pick it up any time they wanted.
<quoted text>
It is when the books were kept entirely seperate from the rest of his 'library of 10,000 books'. Those books were lovingly locked away in a cabinet in Wacko's bedroom - why is that do you think?
<insert Exef'loons vindicatemj spin here>
*laughter*
The search was conducted in NOVEMBER 2003. There were NO kids around to pick anything up, except for possibly his own children, the eldest of whom was 6 at the time. It's clear they were brought up to have respect and behave themselves so I doubt they would have been turning out their father's closets, drawers, boxes etc without his knowledge or permission (unlike the Arvisos, who ransacked and snooped wherever they went). Even if they had it would have been no different than millions of other domestic situations where kids have come across their own father's/brothers girlie mags. by snooping where they shouldn't. Not good, but it happens every day. It doesn't make any of those parents criminals or 'unfit' parents and neither would it for MJ.

At the time of the search MJ and his kids had all been in Las Vegas for weeks anyway because MJ was filming a music video there.

The bathroom was LOCKED

The closet was LOCKED

The office was LOCKED

The entire bedroom suite was LOCKED

The room ABOVE the video library (where Frank Cascio and Vinny Amin had an office and sleeping quarters) where some magazines were found, was LOCKED

I'm not aware of any porn found in the library.

There was no porn in any of the visitor/public areas.

Do you have a link to where any of this stuff was when any child was actually visiting, what was 'strewn' around at that time and whether they had free access to it?

As for the 2 books found in the filing cabinet, aside from the fact that they were out of print, 1st editions and the fact that MJ saw one as a representation of childhood freedom and happiness, are you seriously alleging some sinister motive because they were locked away, whilst in the same breath alleging a sinister motive is proven if material depicting nudity is NOT locked away?

Also, do you have a list of what else was stored in that filing cabinet in 1993. He had several girlie mags and centrefolds dating back to 1990. Do you know where they were kept?

InDaHouse

“New year, more f'loon denial”

Since: Jul 10

Dark Recesses, Your Mind

#167 Sep 25, 2012
Exonian wrote:
<quoted text>
The search was conducted in NOVEMBER 2003. There were NO kids around to pick anything up, except for possibly his own children, the eldest of whom was 6 at the time. It's clear they were brought up to have respect and behave themselves so I doubt they would have been turning out their father's closets, drawers, boxes etc without his knowledge or permission (unlike the Arvisos, who ransacked and snooped wherever they went). Even if they had it would have been no different than millions of other domestic situations where kids have come across their own father's/brothers girlie mags. by snooping where they shouldn't. Not good, but it happens every day. It doesn't make any of those parents criminals or 'unfit' parents and neither would it for MJ.
At the time of the search MJ and his kids had all been in Las Vegas for weeks anyway because MJ was filming a music video there.
The bathroom was LOCKED
The closet was LOCKED
The office was LOCKED
The entire bedroom suite was LOCKED
The room ABOVE the video library (where Frank Cascio and Vinny Amin had an office and sleeping quarters) where some magazines were found, was LOCKED
I'm not aware of any porn found in the library.
There was no porn in any of the visitor/public areas.
Do you have a link to where any of this stuff was when any child was actually visiting, what was 'strewn' around at that time and whether they had free access to it?
As for the 2 books found in the filing cabinet, aside from the fact that they were out of print, 1st editions and the fact that MJ saw one as a representation of childhood freedom and happiness, are you seriously alleging some sinister motive because they were locked away, whilst in the same breath alleging a sinister motive is proven if material depicting nudity is NOT locked away?
Also, do you have a list of what else was stored in that filing cabinet in 1993. He had several girlie mags and centrefolds dating back to 1990. Do you know where they were kept?
You read it earlier. Don't you remember? Alzheimers taking it's cruel hold?

*laughter*

Thanks for rehashing the vindicatemj spin, too. I still get a laugh out of it.

*snicker*

InDaHouse

“New year, more f'loon denial”

Since: Jul 10

Dark Recesses, Your Mind

#168 Sep 25, 2012
Exonian wrote:
<quoted text>
The search was conducted in NOVEMBER 2003. There were NO kids around to pick anything up, except for possibly his own children, the eldest of whom was 6 at the time. It's clear they were brought up to have respect and behave themselves so I doubt they would have been turning out their father's closets, drawers, boxes etc without his knowledge or permission (unlike the Arvisos, who ransacked and snooped wherever they went). Even if they had it would have been no different than millions of other domestic situations where kids have come across their own father's/brothers girlie mags. by snooping where they shouldn't. Not good, but it happens every day. It doesn't make any of those parents criminals or 'unfit' parents and neither would it for MJ.
At the time of the search MJ and his kids had all been in Las Vegas for weeks anyway because MJ was filming a music video there.
The bathroom was LOCKED
The closet was LOCKED
The office was LOCKED
The entire bedroom suite was LOCKED
The room ABOVE the video library (where Frank Cascio and Vinny Amin had an office and sleeping quarters) where some magazines were found, was LOCKED
I'm not aware of any porn found in the library.
There was no porn in any of the visitor/public areas.
Do you have a link to where any of this stuff was when any child was actually visiting, what was 'strewn' around at that time and whether they had free access to it?
As for the 2 books found in the filing cabinet, aside from the fact that they were out of print, 1st editions and the fact that MJ saw one as a representation of childhood freedom and happiness, are you seriously alleging some sinister motive because they were locked away, whilst in the same breath alleging a sinister motive is proven if material depicting nudity is NOT locked away?
Also, do you have a list of what else was stored in that filing cabinet in 1993. He had several girlie mags and centrefolds dating back to 1990. Do you know where they were kept?
BTW, why are you sticking up for Wacko? I never get sick of hearing your reason.

“at yet more f'loonspin”

Since: Aug 11

I live far away from f'loons

#169 Sep 25, 2012
Exonian wrote:
<quoted text>
The search was conducted in NOVEMBER 2003. There were NO kids around to pick anything up, except for possibly his own children, the eldest of whom was 6 at the time. It's clear they were brought up to have respect and behave themselves so I doubt they would have been turning out their father's closets, drawers, boxes etc without his knowledge or permission (unlike the Arvisos, who ransacked and snooped wherever they went). Even if they had it would have been no different than millions of other domestic situations where kids have come across their own father's/brothers girlie mags. by snooping where they shouldn't. Not good, but it happens every day. It doesn't make any of those parents criminals or 'unfit' parents and neither would it for MJ.
At the time of the search MJ and his kids had all been in Las Vegas for weeks anyway because MJ was filming a music video there.
The bathroom was LOCKED
The closet was LOCKED
The office was LOCKED
The entire bedroom suite was LOCKED
The room ABOVE the video library (where Frank Cascio and Vinny Amin had an office and sleeping quarters) where some magazines were found, was LOCKED
I'm not aware of any porn found in the library.
There was no porn in any of the visitor/public areas.
Do you have a link to where any of this stuff was when any child was actually visiting, what was 'strewn' around at that time and whether they had free access to it?
As for the 2 books found in the filing cabinet, aside from the fact that they were out of print, 1st editions and the fact that MJ saw one as a representation of childhood freedom and happiness, are you seriously alleging some sinister motive because they were locked away, whilst in the same breath alleging a sinister motive is proven if material depicting nudity is NOT locked away?
Also, do you have a list of what else was stored in that filing cabinet in 1993. He had several girlie mags and centrefolds dating back to 1990. Do you know where they were kept?
Pedo Pan wasn't home when the raid took place. And he wrote the NAMBLA-recommended book was his ideal of boyhood. Not childhood.

It also doesn't matter whether or not those locations were locked. Michael kept the drugs, booze, and porn around for children in easy-to-discover places when he let them in there. Why don't you read the legal documents, listing where the evidence was when the police found it?

You're trying to hard to stay in denial, pedo supporter.
Exonian agrees MJ was GAY

UK

#170 Sep 26, 2012
Exonian wrote:
<quoted text>
Sorry, I'll have to decline your invitation for a rendezvous with you because, unlike you, I have never stated or suggested that "it's perfectly fine for man/boy sleepovers" or that "there's nothing wrong with a book that features full frontal nudity of young boys being published".
It's gonna be a table for one for your little outing I'm afraid, but if you wear your tallest, sparkliest platforms I'm sure you'll make a splash!
Table for one? Does that mean you are sanemjfan, Charles Thomson and Deborah Ffrench all rolled into one?.
Exonian agrees MJ was GAY

UK

#171 Sep 26, 2012
Exonian wrote:
<quoted text>
I have never stated or suggested that "it's perfectly fine for man/boy sleepovers" or that "there's nothing wrong with a book that features full frontal nudity of young boys being published".
When I first read that I thought to myself WTF, have you been smoking. Then I realised, you don't support man/child sleepovers because you don't view Michael Jackson as a man but as the second coming of Christ. So technically you are right, but you do support men who you believe are the second coming of Christ sleeping with other people's children and collecting child erotica. You are definitely guilty of that.

Since: Sep 09

Plymouth, UK

#172 Sep 26, 2012
Len is Disgusted wrote:
<quoted text>
Exof'loon, your aspirations at reaching new heights of denial have succeeded. It is a criminologist's analysis of the gathered evidence. This is somebody who has professional experience with addressing child molestation cases. I think he knew what he was talking about more than you, and he repeatedly said it was grooming material for children a child molester, such as Michael, uses.
If he had that just for himself, do explain why it was all in easy-to-discover places where he spent quality time alone with other people's children?
I'm posting the link, again, so that you can give it a better read.
http://www.mjfacts.info/resources/060804sdcon...
Pedo supporter.
Craig Bonner was a detective. He'd had some "training" - to help him recognise the type of material that a child molester might use in a grooming process. He states this in the document - please read it. He listed the items that he though "could be" or "may be" used in a grooming process. That is all.

He was NOT a 'criminologist', had NO qualifications in criminology and made NO expert 'analysis' of the material. Anyone who takes the time to do a little reading about child sex offenders would know as much about what use could be made of this type of material as he did. By your definition, most of us on this forum are also expert 'criminologists' by now!

Stop making things up to suit your fantasies and learn to read!

Since: Sep 09

Plymouth, UK

#173 Sep 26, 2012
Len is Disgusted wrote:
<quoted text>
Pedo Pan wasn't home when the raid took place. And he wrote the NAMBLA-recommended book was his ideal of boyhood. Not childhood.
It also doesn't matter whether or not those locations were locked. Michael kept the drugs, booze, and porn around for children in easy-to-discover places when he let them in there. Why don't you read the legal documents, listing where the evidence was when the police found it?
You're trying to hard to stay in denial, pedo supporter.
Why don't you read the DATE that the search was done and then let me know the identities of all visiting children who were present AT THAT TIME and had access to any of the items.

Then, if you'd be so good as to let me know the location of each item during FEBRUARY/MARCH 2003 when the Arvisos were there and then we can see what these "easy-to-discover places" actually were AT THAT TIME.

If you have any 'legal documents' identifying any other children who actually say any of these "easy-to-discover" bottles, pills or porn mags then please post them too.

TIA

InDaHouse

“New year, more f'loon denial”

Since: Jul 10

Dark Recesses, Your Mind

#174 Sep 26, 2012
Exonian wrote:
<quoted text>
Craig Bonner was a detective. He'd had some "training" - to help him recognise the type of material that a child molester might use in a grooming process. He states this in the document - please read it. He listed the items that he though "could be" or "may be" used in a grooming process. That is all.
So you've read that document. Why are you desperately clinging to the notion that all of Wacko's erotica and porn were locked away?

*laughter*

Since: Sep 09

Plymouth, UK

#175 Sep 26, 2012
InDaHouse wrote:
<quoted text>
So you've read that document. Why are you desperately clinging to the notion that all of Wacko's erotica and porn were locked away?
*laughter*
Of course I've read it. I read/listen to/watch everything that's put out there on this subject. How can anyone ever begin to form a valid, intelligent opinion if they don't?

If you could link me to any evidence that any of that stuff was left lying around when a child was visiting (names/dates/items etc.) that would be great.

InDaHouse

“New year, more f'loon denial”

Since: Jul 10

Dark Recesses, Your Mind

#176 Sep 26, 2012
Exonian wrote:
<quoted text>Of course I've read it. I read/listen to/watch everything that's put out there on this subject. How can anyone ever begin to form a valid, intelligent opinion if they don't?
If you could link me to any evidence that any of that stuff was left lying around when a child was visiting (names/dates/items etc.) that would be great.
This isn't a courtroom, granny. You think Wacko hurriedly tidied up all his porn and packed it away when his boy friends cam to visit? Got proof of that?

*laughter*

Still haven't told us why you are vehemently sticking up for a man who slept with other people's sons. Why is that?

*snicker*

Since: Sep 09

Plymouth, UK

#177 Sep 26, 2012
InDaHouse wrote:
<quoted text>
This isn't a courtroom, granny. You think Wacko hurriedly tidied up all his porn and packed it away when his boy friends cam to visit? Got proof of that?
*laughter*
Still haven't told us why you are vehemently sticking up for a man who slept with other people's sons. Why is that?
*snicker*
Nice try at deflection, but it was you that claimed his porn was strewn everywhere for kids to easily pick up and you haven't provided one jot of evidence to prove that yet.

Should I not defend a person I believe to be innocent of crimes alleged against him if I have any issues with his judgement then?

InDaHouse

“New year, more f'loon denial”

Since: Jul 10

Dark Recesses, Your Mind

#178 Sep 26, 2012
Exonian wrote:
<quoted text>
Nice try at deflection, but it was you that claimed his porn was strewn everywhere for kids to easily pick up and you haven't provided one jot of evidence to prove that yet.
Should I not defend a person I believe to be innocent of crimes alleged against him if I have any issues with his judgement then?
Still no proof Wacko tidied up his porn when his boy friends came to visit?

Tsk tsk.

So, you support men who sleep with unrelated children, as long as it was only 'bad judgement' on their part.

Wow.

How about the child erotica? Oh, let me guess... that's OK as long as they have other books as well.

*laughter*

“at yet more f'loonspin”

Since: Aug 11

I live far away from f'loons

#179 Sep 27, 2012
Exonian wrote:
<quoted text>
Craig Bonner was a detective. He'd had some "training" - to help him recognise the type of material that a child molester might use in a grooming process. He states this in the document - please read it. He listed the items that he though "could be" or "may be" used in a grooming process. That is all.
He was NOT a 'criminologist', had NO qualifications in criminology and made NO expert 'analysis' of the material. Anyone who takes the time to do a little reading about child sex offenders would know as much about what use could be made of this type of material as he did. By your definition, most of us on this forum are also expert 'criminologists' by now!
Stop making things up to suit your fantasies and learn to read!
He was a professional, Exof'loon. He would never have been allowed to analyze the material if he hadn't been. YOU are not an expert. You're a desperate f'loon, trying to justify her Celebrity Worship Syndrome, in regards to a dead, drug-addicted pedophile.

I suggest you also read the profile of a pedophile, and make sure it's at the top of your "to-read" list. Vindicatemj is not recommended reading material.

“at yet more f'loonspin”

Since: Aug 11

I live far away from f'loons

#180 Sep 27, 2012
Exonian wrote:
<quoted text>
Why don't you read the DATE that the search was done and then let me know the identities of all visiting children who were present AT THAT TIME and had access to any of the items.
Then, if you'd be so good as to let me know the location of each item during FEBRUARY/MARCH 2003 when the Arvisos were there and then we can see what these "easy-to-discover places" actually were AT THAT TIME.
If you have any 'legal documents' identifying any other children who actually say any of these "easy-to-discover" bottles, pills or porn mags then please post them too.
TIA
One person who happened to be there was Omer Bhatti. When quizzed about the porn and jesus juice, he became uncomfortable and began to stammer. Omer and his parents left the country, shortly thereafter.

But if you go to the Santa Barbara County website, you'll see the locations of what was found. There are also lists of people who had checked in, with security, when they were there. Considering how Frank and Dieter tried to eliminate the daily lists, they were lucky to find what they did.

Pedo supporter.

“at yet more f'loonspin”

Since: Aug 11

I live far away from f'loons

#181 Sep 27, 2012
Exonian wrote:
<quoted text>
Nice try at deflection, but it was you that claimed his porn was strewn everywhere for kids to easily pick up and you haven't provided one jot of evidence to prove that yet.
Should I not defend a person I believe to be innocent of crimes alleged against him if I have any issues with his judgement then?
When I read where the evidence was gathered, the only books he had locked up were NAMBLA-recommended books, containing photos of nude and semi-nude children. Everything else was "coincidently" available for children to find.

“at yet more f'loonspin”

Since: Aug 11

I live far away from f'loons

#182 Sep 27, 2012
InDaHouse wrote:
<quoted text>
Still no proof Wacko tidied up his porn when his boy friends came to visit?
Tsk tsk.
So, you support men who sleep with unrelated children, as long as it was only 'bad judgement' on their part.
Wow.
How about the child erotica? Oh, let me guess... that's OK as long as they have other books as well.
*laughter*
She's grasping at straws. She knows the man who analyzed the material was hired to be able to examine and analyze evidence. She just doesn't want to relinquish her Celebrity Worship Syndrome. Otherwise, she'd have a very empty life.

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