“Waiting for f'loons to wake up”

Since: Dec 06

Goofybaboon's Not Listening

#26 Apr 4, 2014
Here is the notable order of the album's tracks that I have found for the "Resurrection" release indicated by a date of 2013. I couldn't tell if this is the "Xscape" somebody may know about.

Do You Know Where Your Children Are
Blue Gangsta
If You Don't Love Me
Xscape
Cheater
Sunset Driver;
She Got It
Got The Hots
Hot Street

Anybody else familiar with these?(Wacko-Jacko worshipers need not reply. I want the real news on this badly composed album)

“Waiting for f'loons to wake up”

Since: Dec 06

Goofybaboon's Not Listening

#27 Apr 4, 2014
Octopus wrote:
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How many actual fans do you think Wacko might have left that would be willing to purchace the album or the moble phone? That is the question. With the trash that sells today, I wouldn't know if Xscape could be a really successful release or not because it seems to me that all trash sells. But Michael Jackson has such a bad reputation now and with the Wade Robson lawsuit looming around the corner, I do not believe the album will be able to get the extra buyers that it needs to stay on the charts very long. I give it five weeks before it is entirely off the billboard 200. Sony will lose money trying to promote it to push its sales. lol.
Ten album release cycle seems a bit 'busy'. Perhaps they may want to re-re-re-resample and dub Jacko's HEE HEES to slightly different compositions and perhaps nudge the sampling rate to a lower setting so it appears to be longer running versions of the same crap. One can only do so much with limited materials.

“Dark Lord of All.”

Since: Jun 13

The Untempered Schism.

#28 Apr 4, 2014
Octopus wrote:
<quoted text>
How many actual fans do you think Wacko might have left that would be willing to purchace the album or the moble phone? That is the question. With the trash that sells today, I wouldn't know if Xscape could be a really successful release or not because it seems to me that all trash sells. But Michael Jackson has such a bad reputation now and with the Wade Robson lawsuit looming around the corner, I do not believe the album will be able to get the extra buyers that it needs to stay on the charts very long. I give it five weeks before it is entirely off the billboard 200. Sony will lose money trying to promote it to push its sales. lol.
Very interesting point with Wade's suit. That could very much indeed have a huge impact on the album. This will be interesting to watch...

Since: Jun 13

Wilson, NC

#29 Apr 5, 2014
I'm hearing rumors they changed the title of the song "Do You Know Where Your Children Are" to "12 O'Clock" possibly to calm down the controversy that title has caused lol they should've known better anyway but it's kinda too late since people know what that track is all about.
Octopus

Schenectady, NY

#30 Apr 5, 2014
Stormageddon wrote:
<quoted text> Very interesting point with Wade's suit. That could very much indeed have a huge impact on the album. This will be interesting to watch...
Yes.

After all, the trial is set to start two weeks after the release of the album. From my point of view, It definitely has to cool down any extra sales it would need to be a truly successful project. Sony is obviously banking on making mass sales before June.
Octopus

Schenectady, NY

#31 Apr 5, 2014
Reality_Awaits wrote:
Here is the notable order of the album's tracks that I have found for the "Resurrection" release indicated by a date of 2013. I couldn't tell if this is the "Xscape" somebody may know about.
Do You Know Where Your Children Are
Blue Gangsta
If You Don't Love Me
Xscape
Cheater
Sunset Driver;
She Got It
Got The Hots
Hot Street
Anybody else familiar with these?(Wacko-Jacko worshipers need not reply. I want the real news on this badly composed album)
"Hot Street" is actually one of the better outtakes I've heard and it was recorded during the "Thriller" sessions in 1982. It even contains some nice sax. I am surprised that Wacko never used it for his expanded version of "Thriller 25" which he ruined in 2008. It was total garbage. Sony seems to want to follow that tread.
Octopus

Schenectady, NY

#32 Apr 5, 2014
Reality_Awaits wrote:
<quoted text>
Ten album release cycle seems a bit 'busy'. Perhaps they may want to re-re-re-resample and dub Jacko's HEE HEES to slightly different compositions and perhaps nudge the sampling rate to a lower setting so it appears to be longer running versions of the same crap. One can only do so much with limited materials.
I think that Sony probably believes that club mixes are the way to go with Jacko because they think it will be played in dance clubs. People do not actually have to listen to it when it will be played anyway. That is obviously the market Sony is aiming for. DJ material.

Since: Jun 13

Wilson, NC

#34 Apr 5, 2014
Octopus wrote:
<quoted text>
"Hot Street" is actually one of the better outtakes I've heard and it was recorded during the "Thriller" sessions in 1982. It even contains some nice sax. I am surprised that Wacko never used it for his expanded version of "Thriller 25" which he ruined in 2008. It was total garbage. Sony seems to want to follow that tread.
There was a polished version on YouTube long time ago. Apparently Epic wanted to put that song and Got the Hots on T25 and MJ refused. But he was okay with them using a Dangerous outtake on the album.
Octopus

Schenectady, NY

#35 Apr 5, 2014
BadMan84 wrote:
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There was a polished version on YouTube long time ago. Apparently Epic wanted to put that song and Got the Hots on T25 and MJ refused. But he was okay with them using a Dangerous outtake on the album.
Hmmmmmm...

I think Wacko did not like the fact that Quincy Jones produced the original version of "Thriller" and therefore, tried to remake it twenty five years later with the laughable hatchet job that he approved. It was total garbage and Wacko ruined his best selling album in that form. He added overdubbed rap and updated beats to the mix and totally destroyed the re released version. I was surprised what was actually left off of "Thriller" because it was not bad. My guess is that Wacko wanted to appeal to modern day kids. He failed. I would have just expanded the "Thriller" album with choice outtakes from the sessions. Obviously, the clown's ego got the best of him and it did nothing to improve his best work.
You wish

Canton, CT

#37 Apr 6, 2014
I WANT YOU BACK MICHAEL wrote:
They are asking fans to pre order because its going to be massive.Number one all over the world
For the number one selling artist of all time
Always lying ?

http://www.guinnessworldrecords.com/world-rec...

Since: Jun 13

Wilson, NC

#39 Apr 6, 2014
Octopus wrote:
<quoted text>
Hmmmmmm...
I think Wacko did not like the fact that Quincy Jones produced the original version of "Thriller" and therefore, tried to remake it twenty five years later with the laughable hatchet job that he approved. It was total garbage and Wacko ruined his best selling album in that form. He added overdubbed rap and updated beats to the mix and totally destroyed the re released version. I was surprised what was actually left off of "Thriller" because it was not bad. My guess is that Wacko wanted to appeal to modern day kids. He failed. I would have just expanded the "Thriller" album with choice outtakes from the sessions. Obviously, the clown's ego got the best of him and it did nothing to improve his best work.
Michael and Quincy came to blows during that album's making. Most of the songs they worked on weren't even from Michael but Rod Temperton (Hot Street, Slapstick (which was Hot Street in disguise), Starlight) and others like Michael Sembello (Carousel).

Apparently when Quincy felt the intro to Billie Jean was too long and wanted to cut it to make it more suitable to radio, MJ protested, "but that's the jelly, that's what makes me wanna dance." In the 2001 re-issue, Quincy tried to play nice about it: "when Michael Jackson tells you that song makes you wanna dance, the rest of us have to shut up."

But the intro was cut down when you play the longer version. Quincy also eliminated much of the ending which was the track going on and on. There was a good reason why he cut it, because albums at the time had a minute limit and if a longer song went over the limit, it wouldn't fit on the album, which is why there were double albums back then and Barry White's albums usually cut down to four songs sometimes because he loved to make lengthy tracks. MJ and Q also argued over the song's title, Quincy wanted "Not My Lover" and felt people would mistake the title for Billie Jean King, who was openly gay.

MJ kept the title but the length cut got him so mad he stopped speaking to him for two weeks. MJ also got mad when Q retooled a demo he did of "P.Y.T." (which he wrote with Greg Phillinganes but there was virtually no lyrics, just a chorus and him humming indecipherable lyrics) with James Ingram writing the lyrics and co-writing the music with Q. MJ redid "Lady of My Life" (written by the great Rod Temperton) a few times before Q was satisfied with the version that was released.

The reissue in 2008 hampered that album's legacy imho.
Octopus

Schenectady, NY

#40 Apr 6, 2014
Yeah, "Thriller 25" was a horrible reissue. The clown was to blame.
Octopus

Schenectady, NY

#41 Apr 6, 2014
BadMan84 wrote:
<quoted text>
Michael and Quincy came to blows during that album's making. Most of the songs they worked on weren't even from Michael but Rod Temperton (Hot Street, Slapstick (which was Hot Street in disguise), Starlight) and others like Michael Sembello (Carousel).
Apparently when Quincy felt the intro to Billie Jean was too long and wanted to cut it to make it more suitable to radio, MJ protested, "but that's the jelly, that's what makes me wanna dance." In the 2001 re-issue, Quincy tried to play nice about it: "when Michael Jackson tells you that song makes you wanna dance, the rest of us have to shut up."
But the intro was cut down when you play the longer version. Quincy also eliminated much of the ending which was the track going on and on. There was a good reason why he cut it, because albums at the time had a minute limit and if a longer song went over the limit, it wouldn't fit on the album, which is why there were double albums back then and Barry White's albums usually cut down to four songs sometimes because he loved to make lengthy tracks. MJ and Q also argued over the song's title, Quincy wanted "Not My Lover" and felt people would mistake the title for Billie Jean King, who was openly gay.
MJ kept the title but the length cut got him so mad he stopped speaking to him for two weeks. MJ also got mad when Q retooled a demo he did of "P.Y.T." (which he wrote with Greg Phillinganes but there was virtually no lyrics, just a chorus and him humming indecipherable lyrics) with James Ingram writing the lyrics and co-writing the music with Q. MJ redid "Lady of My Life" (written by the great Rod Temperton) a few times before Q was satisfied with the version that was released.
The reissue in 2008 hampered that album's legacy imho.
Assuming that the artist is still alive, they really only have one chance to remaster a classic album. Otherwise, it becomes a rip off and just another way of making money. Led Zeppelin is a perfect example since they've remastered their entire catalog twenty years ago that by doing it over again today with the original releases is silly. I am certainly not going to buy it over again just to get second discs of outtakes and demos when I bought the box sets. However, The Rolling Stones double extended remaster of "Exile On Main Street" was definitely worth doing because the old release on cd sounded like shit. I would have thought that Wacko would have cared enough about his most famous album to do a quality job on it in 2008 but I guess not.

“Waiting for f'loons to wake up”

Since: Dec 06

Goofybaboon's Not Listening

#43 Apr 6, 2014
Octopus wrote:
<quoted text>
Assuming that the artist is still alive, they really only have one chance to remaster a classic album. Otherwise, it becomes a rip off and just another way of making money. Led Zeppelin is a perfect example since they've remastered their entire catalog twenty years ago that by doing it over again today with the original releases is silly. I am certainly not going to buy it over again just to get second discs of outtakes and demos when I bought the box sets. However, The Rolling Stones double extended remaster of "Exile On Main Street" was definitely worth doing because the old release on cd sounded like shit. I would have thought that Wacko would have cared enough about his most famous album to do a quality job on it in 2008 but I guess not.
This is actually one of those areas where Wacko wasn't the only one who ruined the mastering process of the recordings (if that is what you are referring to). For instance,..
At one time I was really surprised at the groups and number of people who really did think that vinyl records sounded better than CD. Eddie Vedder of Pearl Jam was one of them. Upon googling the "Loudness Wars" it was easy to see why. Anybody who's hearing what today's CD's are recorded like, are also looking at the results of these recording wars where the actual artists demand the engineer/recording producers make 'hotter' sounding recording upside someone else's material. Pushing the volume level up to saturate the loudest soundwave (without driving it into the suddenly ugly digital clip) was a process of a few decades of steadily increasing improvements in compression and limiting. Even old remasters that were original analogs have suddenly been pushed to that mushy recording area where the detailed sounds get lost in the volume limiting - from the crisp sound of the slap of the bass drum making the more delicate sounds of the softer instruments disappear into the background. A good example of this is easily heard in how the vinyl versions of the Red Hot Chilli Pepper's later releases compared to the compact disc's released versions. Despite the vinyl source also having a compression applied to the music signal, it was still cleaner sounding than the same material now being released digitally. It appears the compression and limiting on the digital representation of the exact waveform became extreme enough to take out the impactfulness and the not-so subtle details. Think of listening to a set of loud radio speakers outside the car windows while driving full speed down the interstate. I blame that process (and the artists demands mostly) for the destruction of the quality of recordings now being pushed out to ever smaller media players and even crappier speakers (to include those things stuck in the ears). Music has become 'noise'= literally.
Even so, the composing side of Wacko's output was pedestrian at best. There was little effort from Michael making music. The credit should have went more to the multiple parties involved in the music making. Some people would believe that the works were created entirely by Michael Jackson when in fact, others had to put in most of the creativity needed to make the sound.
Perfectionist? Wacko Jacko's name was just a stamp to the product and he surely did not carry that insistence on perfection through the mastering process to the final disc.
If anybody knows DMP (Digital Music Products) or Telarc releases, or even Sheffield records of the 80's, just take a listen to the powerful impact and incredible details captured even by those discs (44.1khz, 16bit PCM) One would have to be very disappointed by the garbage put out by today's recording engineers.
Now fortunately, from what I've read, Neil Young has put effort into bringing the excellence of sound back into the record industry. He's among many others who have been developing a player that actually outputs at 48/96/192khz sampling 24/32bit out.

“Waiting for f'loons to wake up”

Since: Dec 06

Goofybaboon's Not Listening

#44 Apr 7, 2014
Octopus wrote:
<quoted text>
"Hot Street" is actually one of the better outtakes I've heard and it was recorded during the "Thriller" sessions in 1982. It even contains some nice sax. I am surprised that Wacko never used it for his expanded version of "Thriller 25" which he ruined in 2008. It was total garbage. Sony seems to want to follow that tread.
Then this makes sense as the others literally put me to sleep after listening to them. Lots of overdubbing throughout that stuff. And YES, the awful mastering got ahold of one of them particularly:
"If You Do Not Love Me". Makes sense if this track is from the Invincible era. That track was jacked up to the limit. There wasn't any room for the dynamics and the average sound level appeared to be restricted and flattened too.

“Why can't you share your bed?”

Since: May 13

Canada

#45 Apr 7, 2014
I WANT YOU BACK MICHAEL wrote:
They are asking fans to pre order because its going to be massive.Number one all over the world
For the number one selling artist of all time
I think you mean a massive #1 flop.
Octopus

Schenectady, NY

#46 Apr 7, 2014
Reality_Awaits wrote:
<quoted text>
Then this makes sense as the others literally put me to sleep after listening to them. Lots of overdubbing throughout that stuff. And YES, the awful mastering got ahold of one of them particularly:
"If You Do Not Love Me". Makes sense if this track is from the Invincible era. That track was jacked up to the limit. There wasn't any room for the dynamics and the average sound level appeared to be restricted and flattened too.
You seem to have a lot of knowledge of how recordings are remastered, Reality Awaits. I know that some people prefer vinyl over digital and to me that makes sense. However, I definitely notice a lack of quality on how new music is being recorded today. Artists really do not have to go into a proper studio to make their albums. I miss the channel separation and the warmth of how it was done in the past. They were just produced better. Remastering an old recording can do wonders but I guess it depends on who does it. I've heard some great sounding stuff and I've heard remasters where the music dips, clips and fades through out the disc. I have The Beatles remaster of "Rubber Soul" that is like that. Totally unlistenable. What is strange is that I replaced it with the bootleg, "The Soul Sessions" and it has brilliant sound, crisp and clear.
I WANT YOU BACK MICHAEL

London, UK

#47 Apr 7, 2014
Reality_Awaits wrote:
Here is the notable order of the album's tracks that I have found for the "Resurrection" release indicated by a date of 2013. I couldn't tell if this is the "Xscape" somebody may know about.
Do You Know Where Your Children Are
Blue Gangsta
If You Don't Love Me
Xscape
Cheater
Sunset Driver;
She Got It
Got The Hots
Hot Street
Anybody else familiar with these?(Wacko-Jacko worshipers need not reply. I want the real news on this badly composed album)
cheater and sunset drivers was released on the ultimate collection along side monkey bussness,someone in the dark but thats been released on ET story book album.fall again on the line the way you love me.to name Just a few
Songs that should be on the album hopefully
Never alone
Mind the magic
Place with no name
Everyday stronger
Believe
Take the wait off me
Shes loving me
Little bit of rain
The tides will turn
Tonight an angel came
Slave if the rhythum
She was loving me
Days of gloucestershire
Water amazing video
And many more
This album will be massive. Its awesome.number one.for sure.by the number one selling artist if all time and the greatest entertainer the worlds ever known.MJ forever
I WANT YOU BACK MICHAEL

London, UK

#48 Apr 7, 2014
If you love me awesome Amazing and brillant

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Since: Dec 06

Goofybaboon's Not Listening

#51 Apr 7, 2014
Here is the beginning of this album, in particular, the Resurrection (2013) version of whatever "Do You Know Where Your Children Are?"

http://tinyurl.com/p9jkg5u

Not so clear, right? But it's typical for the time period

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