Why MJ Is Innocent!
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BullyBully2

United States

#2 Dec 12, 2013
The Ugly American wrote:
The mentally challenged compare MJ to a neighbor luring kids off the street, neglecting the simple fact that wealth and celebrity, coupled with a press that sensationalized everything MJ, adds the motive of extortion to the facts of this case.
I didn't compare MJ to what you would do about a pedophile in your own neighborhood... YOU ARE!!

Could it be that you're reluctant to talk about it cuz you're afraid your answers might reflect badly on MJ?

It seems to me that we should be able to discuss what we would do about a real life sexual predator in our own neighborhood, shouldn't we?
BullyBully2

United States

#3 Dec 12, 2013
When did THAT become a big secret?
BullyBully2

United States

#4 Dec 12, 2013
Remove MJ from this situation:

Pretend a child that you care about has told you that the weirdo down the street molested him or her. When you confront this guy, he’s wearing a clown outfit and inviting kids inside for milk and cookies! He tells you, "Don't worry about it! I'm just a big 45 year old kid myself!" When you call the cops, they say this guy got accused of molesting children a few years ago.

Would you press charges against him?

(Don’t forget to leave MJ out of it.)
BullyBully2

United States

#6 Dec 13, 2013
The Ugly American wrote:
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BTW, you believe a man could catch a pedophile in the act of molesting his son and not beat him to death on the spot, or in the very least call the police right then and there?
This is what you believe?
Thats loco, Ono.
It wouldn't be necessary for you to "catch him in the act" or "beat him to death."

It's not your job to be the judge, jury and executioner here.

Your job is to be a good citizen and protect the children in your neighborhood!

If it was all a misunderstanding and that guy was found innocent and cleared his name in court, you could apologize to him later!
BullyBully2

United States

#7 Dec 13, 2013
You ask why I repeat that scenario. Perhaps its because you keep getting details confused. I said a child you care about (possibly your own) informed you that the clown down the street molested him or her.

All you know is a child that trusts you to protect him or her came to you for help. This motivates you to confront this Bozo and when you do, he was acting very inappropriately.

That wouldn't be enough for you to file charges on him?

You'd let him continue luring children inside his house until you had time to conduct your own personal investigation? What are you gonna do, trespass on his property and peek into his windows?

Who do you think you're fooling?
Smarty Pants

Nottingham, UK

#8 Dec 13, 2013
BullyBully2 wrote:
<quoted text>
It wouldn't be necessary for you to "catch him in the act" or "beat him to death."
It's not your job to be the judge, jury and executioner here.
Your job is to be a good citizen and protect the children in your neighborhood!
It is? I thought you classed such people as vigilante hicks and their compassionate police as corrupt. What changed?
You wish

Avon, CT

#11 Dec 13, 2013
The Ugly American wrote:
The mentally challenged compare MJ to a neighbor luring kids off the street, neglecting the simple fact that wealth and celebrity, coupled with a press that sensationalized everything MJ, adds the motive of extortion to the facts of this case.
MJ was not some guy down the street luring kids into his home that he barely knew to molest them. He was a close family friend whose parents knew him very well before they allowed their kids to stay in his bedroom as he slept on the floor.
Emmanuel Lewis states this clearly.
http://youtu.be/dkrKWvDDINg
The 93 accusation was based on a planted false memory by the father using Sodium Amytal to make his own child make false statements, to a psychiatrist known to be a master at getting kids to make false accusations, coordinated by a civil attorney that wanted money.
The father plotting to extort MJ.
http://youtu.be/dlBFTKgRQRc
A very good article on how Sodium Amytal was used to create a false accusation in the Chandler extortion.
http://m.psychologytoday.com/blog/the-skeptic...
Thousands of kids spent time with Michael Jackson, yet only three claimed to have been molested - and all through the law office of Larry Feldman.
Larry Feldman was the civil attorney who coordinated the scheme by referring his clients to a corrupt psychologist named Stan Katz - whose method was to convince children that lying would protect other children - to receive a settlement.
The McMartin Preschool Scandal.
http://law2.umkc.edu/faculty/projects/ftrials...
Stan Katz methods led to the worst case of children falsely accusing innocent people in legal history, known as the McMartin Preschool Scandal, and Larry Feldman knew this to use him to extort money from Michael Jackson, because MJ had a public image as being eccentric.
http://youtu.be/1BhNd3C7dCc
Tom Sneddon knew all of this, and ignored it because he wanted the fame of destroying the biggest entertainer in history.
Only the worst kind of people can learn the facts of this case, hang out in a censored place like this, and still think MJ was anything more than a victim of extortion.
Rush Limbaugh saw the extortion.
http://youtu.be/dkrKWvDDINg
Gary Coleman sums up why some people need to believe MJs guilt.
http://youtu.be/JFc9KEWcMu0
This is why you hate and insult.
1) bill dworin, ken lanning and many others interviewed jordie floon. All deemed him credible . No way sodium would enable repeated questioning revealing the same answers floon .
2) the description matched floon. I guess to you troglodyte it's dumb luck . Smh
3) per j taborrelli, mj loved pt Barnum and loved to hype fool. It was your pedo pan that planted the hyperbaric chamber and elephant bone stories to increase sales ( backfired to wacko jacko ) and the king still outsold in albums, singles and hits .( sucks to be you )
care to explain floon why a social worker on a train was so alarmed by the sound of mj in jordie she called the authorities ?
That Aaron carter states mj gave him liquor and drugs ? That he woke up Aaron at 5 am?
That per Sean Lennon he watched porn with mj when he was 12?
That seasoned detectives thought mj was a pedophile . The house, the books , the begging for children at night
The only diff between Seville and mj was that mj had better attorneys
You wish

Avon, CT

#12 Dec 13, 2013
Tom Sneddon knew all of this, and ignored it because he wanted the fame of destroying the biggest entertainer in history.

&sn s=em

1) 2013 Gwr " Elvis is the highest selling solo artist in hx with a billion " > lil mj 400 million
2) 2012 chart company " Elvis is the highest selling single artist in hx 26 million" > lil mj 15 mill
3) " number one artist on billboard is ep" Joel whit burn > lil mj is 9
4) ep has 18 number ones> lil mj has 13
5) only actor in hx where all his movies made profit > lil mj in biggest movie flop of all time ( the wiz)
6) social historians rate ep impact much bigger than lil mj
7) Elvis commonly known as the king , mj commonly known as wacko jacko
8) ep recently named king of digital streaming ( mj didn't crack top ten )

Lastly floon, Elvis was a singles artist because of the economy who still outsold mj in everything floon. Until the seventies , singles were the dominate purchase,not albums. Your pedo pan had the benefit of a better economy and mtv. Mj was obsessed with the king who even had commissioned platings with the king .

You lose floon
TCB!

In all stats , ep surpasses mj
You wish

Avon, CT

#13 Dec 13, 2013
The Ugly American wrote:
The mentally challenged compare MJ to a neighbor luring kids off the street, neglecting the simple fact that wealth and celebrity, coupled with a press that sensationalized everything MJ, adds the motive of extortion to the facts of this case.
MJ was not some guy down the street luring kids into his home that he barely knew to molest them. He was a close family friend whose parents knew him very well before they allowed their kids to stay in his bedroom as he slept on the floor.
Emmanuel Lewis states this clearly.
http://youtu.be/dkrKWvDDINg
The 93 accusation was based on a planted false memory by the father using Sodium Amytal to make his own child make false statements, to a psychiatrist known to be a master at getting kids to make false accusations, coordinated by a civil attorney that wanted money.
The father plotting to extort MJ.
http://youtu.be/dlBFTKgRQRc
A very good article on how Sodium Amytal was used to create a false accusation in the Chandler extortion.
http://m.psychologytoday.com/blog/the-skeptic...
Thousands of kids spent time with Michael Jackson, yet only three claimed to have been molested - and all through the law office of Larry Feldman.
Larry Feldman was the civil attorney who coordinated the scheme by referring his clients to a corrupt psychologist named Stan Katz - whose method was to convince children that lying would protect other children - to receive a settlement.
The McMartin Preschool Scandal.
http://law2.umkc.edu/faculty/projects/ftrials...
Stan Katz methods led to the worst case of children falsely accusing innocent people in legal history, known as the McMartin Preschool Scandal, and Larry Feldman knew this to use him to extort money from Michael Jackson, because MJ had a public image as being eccentric.
http://youtu.be/1BhNd3C7dCc
Tom Sneddon knew all of this, and ignored it because he wanted the fame of destroying the biggest entertainer in history.
Only the worst kind of people can learn the facts of this case, hang out in a censored place like this, and still think MJ was anything more than a victim of extortion.
Rush Limbaugh saw the extortion.
http://youtu.be/dkrKWvDDINg
Gary Coleman sums up why some people need to believe MJs guilt.
http://youtu.be/JFc9KEWcMu0
This is why you hate and insult.
“We believed what the child was telling us,” says Bill Dworin, a retired detective and expert on pedophilia.
A 34-year veteran of the LAPD, he’s investigated more than 4,000 sexual exploitation cases. He was also one of the lead detectives investigating the charges against Jackson. And for the first time, he is talking about the investigation from the inside, exclusively with “Dateline.”
Dworin:“Everybody who listened to this child,‘cause he’s not only interviewed by my officers, he was interviewed by Department of Children and Family Services, he was interviewed by the district attorney’s office at a later date, we were all satisfied he was a very credible witness.”

http://www.nbcnews.com/id/3080078#.Uqscx7K9KS...

Mankiewicz:“You’ve been at this a long time. You no doubt have interviewed children whose stories were rehearsed or coached for one reason or another.”
Dworin:“That’s correct. In this instance, we didn’t feel that it was coached. We felt that the child was telling us the truth.”

Dworin:“We found books and the books depicted children in the nude. This itself is not a crime.”
The nude photographs were not pornography, by the legal definition, and Jackson says he does not remember having them. But to Dworin any nude photo of a child in the home of a 34-year-old man is suspicious.
Dworin:“Pedophiles will frequently have this material available.”
Mankiewicz:“Because?”
Dworin:“Because they can obtain it legally It’s not illegal to possess, and it’s used for sexual satisfaction and arousal.”

You fail floon, anyone would trust the expert
You wish

Avon, CT

#14 Dec 13, 2013
http://www.nbcnews.com/id/3080078#.Uqscx7K9KS...

“We believed what the child was telling us,” says Bill Dworin, a retired detective and expert on pedophilia.
A 34-year veteran of the LAPD, he’s investigated more than 4,000 sexual exploitation cases. He was also one of the lead detectives investigating the charges against Jackson. And for the first time, he is talking about the investigation from the inside, exclusively with “Dateline.”
Dworin:“Everybody who listened to this child,‘cause he’s not only interviewed by my officers, he was interviewed by Department of Children and Family Services, he was interviewed by the district attorney’s office at a later date, we were all satisfied he was a very credible witness.”
Mankiewicz:“You’ve been at this a long time. You no doubt have interviewed children whose stories were rehearsed or coached for one reason or another.”
Dworin:“That’s correct. In this instance, we didn’t feel that it was coached. We felt that the child was telling us the truth.”

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Dworin:“We found books and the books depicted children in the nude. This itself is not a crime.”
The nude photographs were not pornography, by the legal definition, and Jackson says he does not remember having them. But to Dworin any nude photo of a child in the home of a 34-year-old man is suspicious.
Dworin:“Pedophiles will frequently have this material available.”
Mankiewicz:“Because?”
Dworin:“Because they can obtain it legally It’s not illegal to possess, and it’s used for sexual satisfaction and arousal.”

As you stated prior floon, his opinion matters .
you wish

Mountain View, CA

#18 Dec 13, 2013
The Ugly American wrote:
Look, you are constructing hypothetical scenarios in order to make a case that your position about MJ's guilt is valid, and you are repeating the mantras of the delusional people on this website to do so.
<quoted text>
You asserted this notion that Evan Chandler saw Michael Jackson molesting his son, and thats why he wanted revenge in reference to his statements about if he goes through with this he gets everything he wants.
http://youtu.be/dlBFTKgRQRc
<quoted text>
When Even Chandler claims to have seen his son being molested, and did nothing except contact a civil attorney, that is simply an unbelievable story and clearly indicates extortion.
<quoted text>
I am hardly confused about this, you are, and it shows in the way you attempt to construct hypotheticals that have no relationship to what actually happened.
The Chandler kid did not go to his father telling him Michael Jackson molested him, the father put his son under the influence of Sodium Amytal to plant the false memory that he was molested, so Evan Chandler could get everything he wanted from Michael Jackson.
The abuse of the Chandler kid did not occur at the hands of Michael Jackson, the abuse of that poor kid came from the actions of his own father.
<quoted text>
If I was trying to fool people, I would be here making bare assertions, copy/pasting long news articles to pretend I knew what I was talking about, while calling people names and acting like a child.
Weird...
A innocent man

Would take a lie detector test
Would cooperate fully with authorities
Would not plead the fifth
Would never settle civilly

Your pedo pan did none of those!
you wish

Mountain View, CA

#20 Dec 13, 2013
Ignorance is you floon.
So mj can sue for money,but no one else can? smh

“at yet more f'loonspin”

Since: Aug 11

I live far away from f'loons

#29 Dec 13, 2013
Subliminal Deletions wrote:
The mentally challenged compare MJ to a neighbor luring kids off the street, neglecting the simple fact that wealth and celebrity, coupled with a press that sensationalized everything MJ, adds the motive of extortion to the facts of this case.
MJ was not some guy down the street luring kids into his home that he barely knew to molest them. He was a close family friend whose parents knew him very well before they allowed their kids to stay in his bedroom as he slept on the floor.
Emmanuel Lewis states this clearly.
http://youtu.be/dkrKWvDDINg
The 93 accusation was based on a planted false memory by the father using Sodium Amytal to make his own child make false statements, to a psychiatrist known to be a master at getting kids to make false accusations, coordinated by a civil attorney that wanted money.
The father plotting to extort MJ.
http://youtu.be/dlBFTKgRQRc
A very good article on how Sodium Amytal was used to create a false accusation in the Chandler extortion.
http://m.psychologytoday.com/blog/the-skeptic...
Thousands of kids spent time with Michael Jackson, yet only three claimed to have been molested - and all through the law office of Larry Feldman.
Larry Feldman was the civil attorney who coordinated the scheme by referring his clients to a corrupt psychologist named Stan Katz - whose method was to convince children that lying would protect other children - to receive a settlement.
The McMartin Preschool Scandal.
http://law2.umkc.edu/faculty/projects/ftrials...
Stan Katz methods led to the worst case of children falsely accusing innocent people in legal history, known as the McMartin Preschool Scandal, and Larry Feldman knew this to use him to extort money from Michael Jackson, because MJ had a public image as being eccentric.
http://youtu.be/1BhNd3C7dCc
Tom Sneddon knew all of this, and ignored it because he wanted the fame of destroying the biggest entertainer in history.
Only the worst kind of people can learn the facts of this case, hang out in a censored place like this, and still think MJ was anything more than a victim of extortion.
Rush Limbaugh saw the extortion.
http://youtu.be/dkrKWvDDINg
Gary Coleman sums up why some people need to believe MJs guilt.
http://youtu.be/JFc9KEWcMu0
This is why you hate.
You have not posted legal documents. Had you gone to the Santa Barbara County website, you would have learned Michael insisted Jordan's parents receive some of the settlement to silence them. You would have learned Judge Melville and the attorneys agreed Jordan accurately described Michal's penis. You would have learned the Arvizos went to Masada to stop the Bashir program from airing and to get their visas bac from Michael, who sent them to Dickerman, who sent them to Dr. Katz and Feldman, who went to CPS. You would have learned no civil suit was ever planned.

Do you realize how desperate you make yourself look when you don't post links to legal documents?
You wish

Avon, CT

#30 Dec 13, 2013
Deleted Poster wrote:
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Weird is an American seething ignorance of American justice, or even what it means to be an American.
Civil settlements are reached when the financial costs are leas then contesting them. True victims of crime also do not seek financial settlements before criminal convictions.
JC Penny settled a civil claim of sexual assault by the Arviso's, I see no intelligent people claiming JC Penny the corporation was guilty of that crime.
Americans do not have to prove their innocence in court, and an attorney would be negligent to even allow them to in a case that was not proven by the prosecution.
American's also have no obligation to corporate with authorities that are clearly on a witch hunt, trusting the honesty of authorities has led many people to be wrongly convicted. Any lawyer will tell their clients this, and every American should know their rights. Rights are not only for the guilty, they are also there for the innocent.
Lie detectors are not infallible, which is why they are not permissible in court.
I have yet to run into a person who uses the term "floon" who has shown any intelligence, and you are no exception.
If Michael Jackson was a child molester, he would have had hundreds of victims

Not everyone who comes in contact with a child molester will be abused. Although this finding may seem obvious, some interpret the fact that an abuser didn't molest a particular child in their care to mean that those children who do allege abuse must be lying. In truth, sex offenders tend to carefully pick and set up their victims Thus while sex offenders may feel driven to molest children, they rarely do so indiscriminately.

Research with sex offenders confirms that they tend to carefully select and "groom" their victims (Conte, Wolf, & Smith, 1989). For instance, Elliott, Browne and Kilcoyne (1995) interviewed with 91 child molesters, the all-male sample reported that they most often chose children who had family problems, were alone, lacked confidence, and were indiscriminate in their trust of others -- especially when the child was also perceived to be pretty, "provocatively" dressed, young, or small.

Rather than being a sudden, initially traumatic occurrence, most sex abuse involves a gradual "grooming" process in which the perpetrator skillfully manipulates the child into participating (Berliner & Conte, 1995). To ensure the child's continuing compliance, sex offenders report using bribes, threats and force (Elliott et al.,1995).

Below, a young pedophile describes the careful planning that went into finding his next victim.

When a person like myself wants to obtain access to a child, you don't just go up and get the child and sexually molest the child. There's a process of obtaining the child's friendship and, in my case, also obtaining the family's friendship and their trust. When you get their trust, that's when the child becomes vulnerable and you can molest the child.(Salter, 2003, p. 42). Sound familiar? Just look at MJ's actions with his young friends AND their families.

Read more: http://www.mjfacts.info/was-mj-a-child-molest...

So again floon, why would a pedophile like mj, molest every child ?
Smarty Pants

Liverpool, UK

#31 Dec 14, 2013
Subliminal Deletions wrote:
Damn Ono, you denying you said that is Jina Loco.
The only things I deny saying are the things you put in my mouth, for example that Gandhi was a paedophile.

Anyway, how come you got deleted again, simplistic xenophobe? Thought of a juicy conspiracy to justify it?
BullyBully2

United States

#32 Dec 14, 2013
I don't know why your account keeps getting deleted.

You aren't doing anything different than the other MJ fans in this forum have done.... posting your opinions and calling them "facts."
BullyBully2

United States

#34 Dec 14, 2013
Deleted Poster wrote:
<quoted text>
Thats just because you have poor analytical skills and see the world based on what is repeated, instead of what is true.
What I've done is post comments from people that knew MJ personally!

MJ created a "see no evil, hear no evil, speak no evil" policy at Neverland, thinking his employees would always cover for him.

His problems began when he started FIRING THEM!!

That's when their loyalty to "THE KING" went straight down the crapper and they refused to lie for him under oath!!
BullyBully2

United States

#35 Dec 14, 2013
Should I believe a drug- addicted, over-pampered pop star that can't even come clean about how much plastic surgery he's had done or what his own employees and children testified to under oath?

Hmmmm...

TOUGH CHOICE!!!

“at yet more f'loonspin”

Since: Aug 11

I live far away from f'loons

#36 Dec 14, 2013
Deleted Poster wrote:
<quoted text>
Thats just because you have poor analytical skills and see the world based on what is repeated, instead of what is true.
It isn't rocket science to read legal documents and then realize Michael was a pedophile.
BullyBully2

United States

#37 Dec 14, 2013
I’d swear that MJ fans think that Michael Jackson looked so "sexy" when he gave society the finger, that gives THEM the right to!!

God, I'll be glad when this madness is over!!

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