The "Living With Michael Jackson" doc...

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#516 Jul 2, 2013
Octopus wrote:
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...that Elvis was so jealous of them that he wanted them deported, which is false but some believe that lie, don't they?
I've mentioned it, before, but I still remember Priscilla writing Elvis was never jealous of any performer. He felt there was always room at the top for more and was very encouraging of other musicians.

Since: Jun 13

Fuquay Varina, NC

#517 Jul 2, 2013
If you ask me which of them I pick for morale? I'd pick Elvis. He surely wasn't a narcissist like MJ and some of the Beatles were (I'm looking at you Paul). Elvis always denied he was "The King"/"King of Rock and Roll", he always said someone else was. When some fan yelled "you're the King!" at a 1971 concert, Elvis cautioned the young lady, "no ma'am, I'm no King, Jesus is the King" or something like that. When Elvis was told how he felt being king of rock and roll, he said "the real king of rock and roll is right there", pointing to Fats Domino who was at Elvis' press conference for his 1969 Las Vegas shows. You surely wouldn't get that with MJ, telling folks to call him the King of Pop or MTV wouldn't air his videos and this was right after he was "king of pop music" during the Thriller era.

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#518 Jul 3, 2013
BadMan84 wrote:
If you ask me which of them I pick for morale? I'd pick Elvis. He surely wasn't a narcissist like MJ and some of the Beatles were (I'm looking at you Paul). Elvis always denied he was "The King"/"King of Rock and Roll", he always said someone else was. When some fan yelled "you're the King!" at a 1971 concert, Elvis cautioned the young lady, "no ma'am, I'm no King, Jesus is the King" or something like that. When Elvis was told how he felt being king of rock and roll, he said "the real king of rock and roll is right there", pointing to Fats Domino who was at Elvis' press conference for his 1969 Las Vegas shows. You surely wouldn't get that with MJ, telling folks to call him the King of Pop or MTV wouldn't air his videos and this was right after he was "king of pop music" during the Thriller era.
There's another thread here on topix about Gene Simmons. Naturally, MJ fans consider Simmons a piece of human garbage because he blew the whistle on Jackson. They claim MJ was a terrific human being compared to Simmons.

My question would be, "how do you know?"

The only thing we know about MJ is what he wanted us to know. Gene Simmons let cameramen enter his house! Every week, we get to view Simmon's activities, his marital difficulties, children, his home, his businesses...etc. etc. It's far more revealing than I would be comfortable with.

My point? We know very little about Elvis and MJ personally. Both men became more reclusive as time worn on. Elvis had his circle of friends and both he and Jackson had stone cold mansions to hide in. In my opinion, we know far more about John Lennon than either of these men. That's because John didn't hesitate to talk about his successes and failures.

For this reason and this reason only, I feel as if I knew John better than Elvis and MJ combined. John wasn't perfect but he was forthright about his mistakes and the things he did to correct them. John and Yoko were co-hosts on the "Mike Douglas" show for Pete's sake! For one solid week, they invited radical activists like Jerry Rubin on the show (Much to the chagrin of a far more conservative Mike Douglas) and they spoke openly about controversial issues like the Vietnam War, the Beatles, Yoko's art, his struggles to become a US citizen and their marriage.

MJ never took responsibility for his mistakes and Elvis rarely consented to interviews. Their mystique is what their fans love about them.

ononothimagin

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#519 Jul 3, 2013
I mean.... come on!!

John and Yoko openly discussed incredibly personal subjects like Yoko’s miscarriage and their efforts to conceive a child on a primetime talk show…

…for FIVE 2-hour shows!!

Can you imagine shut-ins like Elvis Presley or Michael Jackson doing that???

I CAN'T!!

ononothimagin

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#520 Jul 3, 2013
You have to wonder why John was willing to discuss such private matters in public.

I know I do.

I wouldn’t do it!

The only explanation is that John was a very open, honest person.

Elvis and MJ don’t even come close!!

ononothimagin

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#521 Jul 3, 2013
Everyone seems to want to talk about Elvis.

OK, let's talk about Elvis....

In her book, "Elvis and Me," Priscilla describes her daily life with her husband. Priscilla notes that prescription drugs were present from the first time she visited Elvis in America. He took placidyls to get to sleep in ever increasing doses. Elvis would wake up at his normal time around 4:00 in the afternoon, but would be groggy and irritable for a few hours from the heavy dose of pills. He then began taking Dexedrine in order to wake up.

Priscilla's book describes several episodes involving Elvis' explosive temper and his jealous nature; including how he went into a rage and threatened to fire a male employee (Memphis Mafia member Jerry Schilling), who supposedly acted too "friendly" with Priscilla.

Conversely, she writes about Presley's double standard for his own behavior. His promiscuity with other women led to several confrontations. Presley admitted he had a number of affairs with some of the women who co-starred in his films.

By 1965 The Beatles had overwhelmed the music industry and Presley’s record sales declined noticeably. Uncertain about who he was and where his career was going, Elvis turned to the occult and metaphysical phenomena. He hadn't performed live for several years and labeled most of his movies a joke. By the time filming was to begin on "Clambake," Presley's growing distress with the quality of his films led to a despondency and his weight ballooned.

During his spiritual quest everyone around him saw Presley's personality change dramatically from vibrant and playful, to passive and introverted.

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#522 Jul 3, 2013
This is what you want, right octo?
Music Is My Radar

UK

#523 Jul 3, 2013
Top ten Iron Maiden covers?

Just my own personal list of my favorite bands best covers.

10. Iron Maiden. The debut album. Its simple yet very bizare.
9. The Number of the Beast. So Eddie is the ultimate evil, Huh.
8. Fear of the Dark. Eddie as some tree creature, its just so strange.
7. Brave New World. The detail is amazing. It's very ominous.
6. Seventh Son of a Seventh Son. Begs the question whats in the stomach. Madness indeed.
5. A matter of Life and Death. War is Hell.
4. Piece of Mind. Strange details in the full picture (the door open to nothing, the disembodied hand holdin a chain).
3. Killers. The debut album you stumble upon Eddie one night. The follow up you shouldnt have stumbled upon Eddie that night.
2. Somewhere in Time. The whole cover (front and back) together is amazing.
1. Powerslave. Ancient Egypt is fascinating, to me anyway. The detail of this is great. The people climbing the stairs to the entrance of the temple, which is Eddies crotch.
Music Is My Radar

UK

#524 Jul 3, 2013
Best 80s indie bands....... that aren't the bands everyone listens to, like The Pixies, Joy Division, The Smiths, Sonic Youth, New Order, Bauhaus, the Cure, or even Echo & the Bunnymen. Basically, I'm looking for post punk, new wave and even shoegaze bands from the 80s, which is my favorite type of music. Recently, I discovered My Bloody Valentine, Cocteau Twins, and Sioxuise & the Banshees. Can you suggest any more good bands like these?
Music Is My Radar

UK

#525 Jul 3, 2013
Pink floyd like bands?

I adore floyd and almost everything they've done (they have made some crap though), however, I'd just like some recommendations as to bands on a similar level to floyd?

I'm starting to get bored listening to same old floyd, kasabian, stone roses etc and can't stand most of the computer made rubbish on the radio. Want something trippy with long wailing guitar solos and emotion filled lyrics.

ononothimagin

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#526 Jul 3, 2013
"According to the Recording Industry Association of America (RIAA), the “most successful act of the 20th century” was the Beatles, who sold more than 106 million albums.

Elvis, however, released more albums and so had more gold (80) and platinum (43) albums than any other “act.”

The Rolling Stones had the most successful tour of anybody, with its Voodoo Lounge tour, grossing $121.3 million in 1994."

- http://www.bigsiteofamazingfacts.com/who-sold...
Octopus

Astoria, NY

#527 Jul 3, 2013
ononothimagin wrote:
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There's another thread here on topix about Gene Simmons. Naturally, MJ fans consider Simmons a piece of human garbage because he blew the whistle on Jackson. They claim MJ was a terrific human being compared to Simmons.
My question would be, "how do you know?"
The only thing we know about MJ is what he wanted us to know. Gene Simmons let cameramen enter his house! Every week, we get to view Simmon's activities, his marital difficulties, children, his home, his businesses...etc. etc. It's far more revealing than I would be comfortable with.
My point? We know very little about Elvis and MJ personally. Both men became more reclusive as time worn on. Elvis had his circle of friends and both he and Jackson had stone cold mansions to hide in. In my opinion, we know far more about John Lennon than either of these men. That's because John didn't hesitate to talk about his successes and failures.
For this reason and this reason only, I feel as if I knew John better than Elvis and MJ combined. John wasn't perfect but he was forthright about his mistakes and the things he did to correct them. John and Yoko were co-hosts on the "Mike Douglas" show for Pete's sake! For one solid week, they invited radical activists like Jerry Rubin on the show (Much to the chagrin of a far more conservative Mike Douglas) and they spoke openly about controversial issues like the Vietnam War, the Beatles, Yoko's art, his struggles to become a US citizen and their marriage.
MJ never took responsibility for his mistakes and Elvis rarely consented to interviews. Their mystique is what their fans love about them.
Elvis did plenty of interviews and said whatever he wanted to his audience from the stage. I have them all on either audio or DVD. So, John Lennon did the talk show circuit? Apparently, Michael Jackson and John Lennon had something in common. Why would Elvis lower himself by appearing on a talk show? Elvis's career was strictly about the music and Elvis fans had to pay in order to see the king in action. After Frank Sinatra's "Welcome Home, Elvis" in 1960, Elvis never did TV until his own musical specials in 1968, 1973 and finally in 1977. Mike Douglas was like seventies Oprah. Obviously, it was the best John Lennon could do since Paul McCartney was on tour and making hits with Wings. John had Yoko ruining all of his solo albums that for the most part, failed on the charts.
Octopus

Astoria, NY

#528 Jul 3, 2013
ononothimagin wrote:
I mean.... come on!!
John and Yoko openly discussed incredibly personal subjects like Yoko’s miscarriage and their efforts to conceive a child on a primetime talk show…
…for FIVE 2-hour shows!!
Can you imagine shut-ins like Elvis Presley or Michael Jackson doing that???
I CAN'T!!
Michael Jackson couldn't get enough attention, Kracker. Had John Lennon lived he probably would've done reality television also. With Yoko.
Octopus

Astoria, NY

#529 Jul 3, 2013
ononothimagin wrote:
You have to wonder why John was willing to discuss such private matters in public.
I know I do.
I wouldn’t do it!
The only explanation is that John was a very open, honest person.
Elvis and MJ don’t even come close!!
Is that why he ignored his first son, Julian for an aging Japanese hag the squealed like a tortured cat in heat?
Octopus

Astoria, NY

#530 Jul 3, 2013
ononothimagin wrote:
Everyone seems to want to talk about Elvis.
OK, let's talk about Elvis....
In her book, "Elvis and Me," Priscilla describes her daily life with her husband. Priscilla notes that prescription drugs were present from the first time she visited Elvis in America. He took placidyls to get to sleep in ever increasing doses. Elvis would wake up at his normal time around 4:00 in the afternoon, but would be groggy and irritable for a few hours from the heavy dose of pills. He then began taking Dexedrine in order to wake up.
Priscilla's book describes several episodes involving Elvis' explosive temper and his jealous nature; including how he went into a rage and threatened to fire a male employee (Memphis Mafia member Jerry Schilling), who supposedly acted too "friendly" with Priscilla.
Conversely, she writes about Presley's double standard for his own behavior. His promiscuity with other women led to several confrontations. Presley admitted he had a number of affairs with some of the women who co-starred in his films.
By 1965 The Beatles had overwhelmed the music industry and Presley’s record sales declined noticeably. Uncertain about who he was and where his career was going, Elvis turned to the occult and metaphysical phenomena. He hadn't performed live for several years and labeled most of his movies a joke. By the time filming was to begin on "Clambake," Presley's growing distress with the quality of his films led to a despondency and his weight ballooned.
During his spiritual quest everyone around him saw Presley's personality change dramatically from vibrant and playful, to passive and introverted.
Actually, Jerry Schilling still works for EPE. He is a friend of Priscilla's. You are speculating a certain event in Priscilla's book and trying to prove jealousy on the part of Elvis but it doesn't work. Elvis walked into the kitchen and saw them talking. Means nothing. And during the height of the British Invasion, 1963-1965, Elvis had nine top 10 albums. I don't see how nine top 10 albums is a decline by any standard. Most artists would loved to have those numbers in a two year time frame.
Octopus

Astoria, NY

#531 Jul 3, 2013
*would have loved...
Octopus

Astoria, NY

#532 Jul 3, 2013
ononothimagin wrote:
"According to the Recording Industry Association of America (RIAA), the “most successful act of the 20th century” was the Beatles, who sold more than 106 million albums.
Elvis, however, released more albums and so had more gold (80) and platinum (43) albums than any other “act.”
The Rolling Stones had the most successful tour of anybody, with its Voodoo Lounge tour, grossing $121.3 million in 1994."
- http://www.bigsiteofamazingfacts.com/who-sold...
Old, outdated information you goggled. Elvis is very close to The Beatles today. Neck to neck. Besides, the RIAA neglects to start the rock era in 1956-1957 when Elvis had his biggest hits because the chart wasn't called Billboard as we know it. It had different charts like Cashbox. Benefits The Beatles. Elvis still sold more.

ononothimagin

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#533 Jul 3, 2013
Octopus wrote:
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Is that why he ignored his first son, Julian for an aging Japanese hag the squealed like a tortured cat in heat?
Oh, I see….

You were hoping people would only say nice things about Elvis while you were blaming John for getting killed and Paul for marrying a gold digger, right?

The worst thing about is that you’re right, both John and Yoko shoulder some of the responsibility for John’s death. John didn’t want to be a recluse like Elvis, so he dismissed his bodyguards a few weeks prior to his death.

But you don’t have to rub it in, unless you want others to concentrate on Elvis’ many faults too!!

You wrote something very “floon-like” the other day, how we should admire Elvis for donating to charity, calling it a “loving thing to do.” Well, when John returned to NYC to record “Double Fantasy,” he bought bulletproof vests for the NY Police Dept.

Then he got rid of his bodyguards.

It was a foolish thing to do.

Much like how fame killed MJ and Elvis. They thought they required drugs to fall asleep and more drugs to wake up. That was foolish too.

Elvis was a good man. So was John.

Why not leave it at that?

ononothimagin

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#534 Jul 3, 2013
Octopus wrote:
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Elvis still sold more.
Bullshit.

You're talking out of your ass.

Anything goes when you're protecting your idol, huh?

ononothimagin

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#535 Jul 3, 2013
You're right, that was an outdated count.

"The Beatles have sold over 1.3 billion (Yes, with a "B") albums, and Elvis is a close second with just over 1 billion. As a career, Micheal Jackson has "only" sold 350 million units."

That's hardly "neck and neck" though, is it????

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