persephone

Sunnyvale, CA

#24 Apr 23, 2013
Patrick wrote:
<quoted text>
Annapolis, Md.: What are some of your scoops in the book? Please divulge.
Diane Dimond: The conduct of Juror #5 which I believe constituted juror misconduct
The actual transcripts of discussions between the 1993 boy and his psychiatrist
What that boy's mother predicts for Michael Jackson's future
How the Prosecution broke the news about the verdict to THIS boy-accuser
How MJ reacted when cops first went to Neverland with the body search warrant to take pictures of his private parts to see if they matched the boy's detailed description
What a security guard at Neverland SAW WITH HIS OWN TWO EYES between Michael Jackson and a 12 year old boy. And the guard passed TWO lie detector tests!!!
Len is this true about the security guard ??
Once again, there is NO evidence that any such description matched MJ's body. Also, none of the three boys who claimed to have seen MJ nude,(Jordan, Star, and Gavin) ever mentioned that he was uncircumcised.

And what reaction would you have expected MJ to have upon being required to be photographed nude for such a purpose? I would expect anyone to find the experience to be unpleasant and humiliating.

What were the circumstances in which the drawings were made? How many were actually done, and did Sneddon merely dispose of any which did not suit his purposes?

Lie detectors are not admitted as evidence because it is possible to fool a lie detector. I also wonder just how anxious any security guard would be in volunteering such information if he knew he would get slapped with a lawsuit for failing to report a crime against a child.

“Brevity is the soule of wit”

Since: May 09

USA

#25 Apr 23, 2013
persephony wrote:
<quoted text> Once again, there is NO evidence that any such description matched MJ's body. Also, none of the three boys who ious any security guard would be in volunteering such information if he knew he would get slapped with a lawsuit for failing to report a crime against a child.
That's quite an impassioned closing argument, Jugsy.
persephone

Sunnyvale, CA

#26 Apr 23, 2013
An NFL Fan wrote:
<quoted text>
That's quite an impassioned closing argument, Jugsy.
Many people are rightfully skeptical about the truth behind salacious claims made to tabloids which dole out large sums of money, while those who tell such tales rarely seem to make convincing witnesses when money isn't involved.

“Brevity is the soule of wit”

Since: May 09

USA

#27 Apr 23, 2013
persephony wrote:
<quoted text> Many people are rightfully skeptical about the truth behind salacious claims made to tabloids which dole out large sums of money, while those who tell such tales rarely seem to make convincing witnesses when money isn't involved.
You forgot to start your post with 'Ladies and gentlemen of the jury..."
Gawky Teenager

Manassas, VA

#28 Apr 23, 2013
Are people forgetting that two grand jury's viewed the drawing that was made by Jordan Chandler, and the photographs that were taken by the authorities and 100% agreed they were a perfect match. Plus, Michael Jackson's very own lawyer Thomas Mesereau never once tried to discredit Jordan's description. Also, Judge Rodney Melville would have reviewed the drawings and photographs, and he never once said anything about a mismatch either.
persephone

Mountain View, CA

#29 Apr 23, 2013
Gawky Teenager wrote:
Are people forgetting that two grand jury's viewed the drawing that was made by Jordan Chandler, and the photographs that were taken by the authorities and 100% agreed they were a perfect match. Plus, Michael Jackson's very own lawyer Thomas Mesereau never once tried to discredit Jordan's description. Also, Judge Rodney Melville would have reviewed the drawings and photographs, and he never once said anything about a mismatch either.
There is NO evidence that either of the two grand juries which viewed the description/photos and yet refused to indict, thought it was a match.

There is also NO evidence that either Mesereau or Melville thought it was a match. That's only in your own warped imagination.
Patrick

Canton, CT

#30 Apr 23, 2013
persephone wrote:
<quoted text> Once again, there is NO evidence that any such description matched MJ's body. Also, none of the three boys who claimed to have seen MJ nude,(Jordan, Star, and Gavin) ever mentioned that he was uncircumcised.
And what reaction would you have expected MJ to have upon being required to be photographed nude for such a purpose? I would expect anyone to find the experience to be unpleasant and humiliating.
What were the circumstances in which the drawings were made? How many were actually done, and did Sneddon merely dispose of any which did not suit his purposes?
Lie detectors are not admitted as evidence because it is possible to fool a lie detector. I also wonder just how anxious any security guard would be in volunteering such information if he knew he would get slapped with a lawsuit for failing to report a crime against a child.
You are incorrect . Bill dworin the lead lapd detective confirned the match . There is no testimony anywhere that Jordan stated mj was or was not curcumcised . Funny mj camp never sued anyone for criminal extortion if he was innocent . I am a father . There is no excuse in the world why a grown non relative should be sleeping with children . Also that Jordan saw mj privates . It's disgusting . Go ask your neighbor if there child can sleep in your bedroom . See what reaction you get . Mj bought his way out .he was a oedophilr
Mustafa Tite-Wun

Sydney, Australia

#31 Apr 23, 2013
persephone wrote:
<quoted text> Mesereau was defending MJ from the charges filed from the Arvizos, not Jordan Chandler, who, I notice, absolutely refused to be of any help whatsoever.
Hey phony, what page of the transcripts is Star's testimony about him thinking Wacko was "all white" on? You still haven't given that link yet...

*laughter*

“at yet more f'loonspin”

Since: Aug 11

I live far away from f'loons

#32 Apr 24, 2013
Patrick wrote:
<quoted text>
Annapolis, Md.: What are some of your scoops in the book? Please divulge.
Diane Dimond: The conduct of Juror #5 which I believe constituted juror misconduct
The actual transcripts of discussions between the 1993 boy and his psychiatrist
What that boy's mother predicts for Michael Jackson's future
How the Prosecution broke the news about the verdict to THIS boy-accuser
How MJ reacted when cops first went to Neverland with the body search warrant to take pictures of his private parts to see if they matched the boy's detailed description
What a security guard at Neverland SAW WITH HIS OWN TWO EYES between Michael Jackson and a 12 year old boy. And the guard passed TWO lie detector tests!!!
Len is this true about the security guard ??
Yes. His testimony is in the transcripts. It made my stomach churn.

“at yet more f'loonspin”

Since: Aug 11

I live far away from f'loons

#33 Apr 24, 2013
persephone wrote:
<quoted text> There is NO evidence that either of the two grand juries which viewed the description/photos and yet refused to indict, thought it was a match.
There is also NO evidence that either Mesereau or Melville thought it was a match. That's only in your own warped imagination.
There you go, again, talking about two grand juries. Please provide me a link. I really do want to read that.

Oh...there is evidence Mesereau thought it was a match. Carefully read the five-page document. Nowhere in there did he deny it was a match. And don't give me your b.s. about Mesereau not seeing the drawing, description, and photos. Part of discovery for a trial is to have both sides view all material that might be introduced into the courtroom. You should know that, give your experience with gawky teenagers.

http://www.sbscpublicaccess.org/docs/ctdocs/0...
Patrick

United States

#34 Apr 24, 2013
Len is Disgusted wrote:
<quoted text>
Yes. His testimony is in the transcripts. It made my stomach churn.
Len is it true the security guard passed 2 lie detector tests ???
Doing Research

UK

#35 Apr 25, 2013
persephone wrote:
<quoted text> Detectives, police, psychologists, etc., are not superhuman creatures who are incapable of misjudgments and making mistakes.
I have conclusively come to the conclusion that, you don't have to have the IQ of Stephen Hawking to determine whether a drawing made by a young boy matched with photographs that were taken by a highly skilled and highly professional officer of the law.

I'm getting the distinctive impression that you have had run-ins with the law, and now you have a very bitter and personal vendetta against them.
Doing Research

UK

#36 Apr 25, 2013
persephone wrote:
<quoted text> Leaving aside for the moment whether or not anything matched,(which I doubt) let's look at exactly how the drawings were made.
In what sort of situation were the drawings made? How many drawings were made and were some discarded? If so, then why? Did the prosecution allow themselves the luxury of choosing exactly which drawings were to be used?
Are you suggesting that the officers of the law, who were investigating Michael Jackson made the young boy who accused him make multiple drawings until they were satisfied that it was a match?

If you have proof that this is true, I would very much like to see this evidence, as this will be going straight into my book, which will be available sometime in the future at all good WH Smith stores.
Doing Research

UK

#37 Apr 25, 2013
persephone wrote:
<quoted text> Mesereau was defending MJ from the charges filed from the Arvizos, not Jordan Chandler, who, I notice, absolutely refused to be of any help whatsoever.
Why are you making a very bitter and personal attack on Mr Chandler if he had nothing to do with with that particular trial? I have noticed during my research into Michael bizarre and potentially illegal behaviour on this very helpful and informative forum that you are always viciously attacking him when it suits you, but then pretend he is completely irrelevant to the Arvizo case when certain pieces of evidence, like the spotted penis is mentioned.
Doing Research

UK

#38 Apr 25, 2013
persephone wrote:
<quoted text> Once again, there is NO evidence that any such description matched MJ's body. Also, none of the three boys who claimed to have seen MJ nude,(Jordan, Star, and Gavin) ever mentioned that he was uncircumcised.
I have seen many angry and bitter Michael Jackson fans claim that Mr Chandler said he was circumcised but I have yet to find any evidence to suggest anything of the kind.

What kind of evidence, can you present to me, that doesn't involve anger or hostility that proves Mr Chandler incorrectly claimed Michael Jackson's penis was circumcised?

Thank you please.
Doing Research

UK

#39 Apr 25, 2013
persephone wrote:
<quoted text>
And what reaction would you have expected MJ to have upon being required to be photographed nude for such a purpose? I would expect anyone to find the experience to be unpleasant and humiliating.
I think any respectable and decent adult man would happily presented their penis to the waiting officers of the law in a professional and timely manner. From my research into MJ's bizarre and potentially illegal behaviour he did not do that. Instead, MJ threw a tantrum, as documented by the very helpful and highly respected, Dr. Richard Strick.
Doing Research

UK

#40 Apr 25, 2013
persephone wrote:
<quoted text>
What were the circumstances in which the drawings were made? How many were actually done, and did Sneddon merely dispose of any which did not suit his purposes?
Once again, I am detecting anger and hostility issues towards officers of the law. You really should not allow your personal experiences with the law get in the way of people seeking helpful and informative information regarding Michael Jacksons bizarre and potentially illegal behaviour on this forum.
Doing Research

UK

#41 Apr 25, 2013
I too would also like to know for my research purposes when Gavin's brother Star said that Michael Jackson was "all white."
persephone

Mountain View, CA

#42 Apr 25, 2013
Doing Research wrote:
<quoted text>
I have seen many angry and bitter Michael Jackson fans claim that Mr Chandler said he was circumcised but I have yet to find any evidence to suggest anything of the kind.
What kind of evidence, can you present to me, that doesn't involve anger or hostility that proves Mr Chandler incorrectly claimed Michael Jackson's penis was circumcised?
Thank you please.
Accusing the opposition of 'anger or hostility' because they challenge your opinions won't strengthen your argument.

I never said that Jordan said MJ was circumcised. Once again, it was because none of the three young males commented on the fact that MJ wasn't circumcised, that makes me doubt their stories. In the US it's somewhat unusual for a man not to be circumcised, and one would think at least one of the young males would have commented on that.
persephone

Mountain View, CA

#43 Apr 25, 2013
Doing Research wrote:
<quoted text>
Once again, I am detecting anger and hostility issues towards officers of the law. You really should not allow your personal experiences with the law get in the way of people seeking helpful and informative information regarding Michael Jacksons bizarre and potentially illegal behaviour on this forum.
So you think such people are never wrong, never make mistakes, and should always be believed and trusted no matter what?

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