Jimmy Page Calls Phil Collins 'Disast...

Jimmy Page Calls Phil Collins 'Disastrous Drummer'

There are 53 comments on the Bismarck-Mandan's Pure Classic Rock Station story from Dec 6, 2007, titled Jimmy Page Calls Phil Collins 'Disastrous Drummer'. In it, Bismarck-Mandan's Pure Classic Rock Station reports that:

“I don't want to blame anyone but the two drummers (Phil Collins and Tony Thompson of Chic) hadn't learned their parts. "You can get away with that in a pop band but not with Led Zeppelin.”

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Nick

Sydney, Australia

#42 Jun 17, 2014
It's really quite simple. They didn't rehearse enough, a lot of LZ's music, while in terms of meter is much simpler than most of the stuff that Collins ever played with Genesis, still has accents that are pretty essential to keep time and give the song the right feel. No amount of technical accomplishment will allow a drummer to just be able to play those parts without sufficient practice.

Having said that, even if Collins had sat the set out, it wouldn't have improved things much. You can actually see Collins not playing in chunks of the set, because he correctly knew he didn't know how things were supposed to go. The other drummer was playing through, but clearly wasn't familiar with all the material either. Jimmy's voice was on the way out after other gigs, and he was probably doped up to the eyeballs at the time anyway.

Everyone has a bad day at the office, and it's not any one person's fault. That's life. For what it's worth, I'm glad that Phil and Led Zeppelin playing together was a thing, and that we can still enjoy it, even though it was a little ratty.
Nick

Sydney, Australia

#43 Jun 17, 2014
Sorry, Robert. But Jimmy was looking a little unpracticed as well. But ah well.
Serge

New York, NY

#44 Jul 3, 2014
Collins is a superb and refined drummer. His drumming on Robert Plant's "The Principle of Moments" is a perfect complement to Plant on that album, for example.

Whatever went wrong in the live performance, that was ungracious of Page to diss a talented fellow musician in this way.
jammy piggy

UK

#45 Aug 15, 2014
watch and learn
&t= 18m34s
Cheeseman

Asbury Park, NJ

#46 Mar 23, 2016
Zep at Live Aid. Who the hell cares. They played for like 20 minutes. Jimmy Page is just always bitter and nervous and over productive over Zeppelin in every interview. It's all he has. And it's now very very old. 35 years gone. He has no right to even talk about that dumb performance or even mention Phil Collins. Holy Christ. Poor Jimmy. He hasn't done a damn good thing since 1980.
mortcola

Huntington, NY

#47 Mar 9, 2017
And, finally, we have Johhn Wetton, RIP, bassist and vocalist of King Crimson and UK, bands revered for instrumental prowess and precision, when asked who was the best drummer he had ever played with (Not Bruford, Not Bozzio, not Carl Palmer), said People r surprised when I tell 'em Phil Collins is the best drummer I've played with. Why?

John Wetton ‏@arkangel2605
Technically brilliant,strong & musical. Plus, he listens to what the fuck I'm playing.qed.

and Neil Peart, who, in a tribute to Phil article written in Rhythm Magazine, UK, praised Collins for his extraordinarily lyrical way of playing for the song, his refined technique, his groove, which Neil thought he could spend a lifetime never reproducing, and who called Collins playing on Genesis' Selling England by the Pound, "an enduring, perfect masterpiece of progressive rock drumming". Says Neil Peart about Phil Collins.
mortcola

Huntington, NY

#48 Mar 23, 2017
Jason wrote:
Before Jimmy insulted Phil Collins' drumming, Phil Collins insulted their performance right after their performance when they were all doing a joint interview. And if you ask me, Jimmy was right! Phil blew it and didn't know his parts. Phil blames the band for his own fuck up because his ego is too huge to admit he fucked up.
He should have rehearsed more. Other drummers have played with those songs and did a fine job. Jimmy's playing wasn't at his peak but it wasn't bad really. The guitar was a little out of tune and maybe too much flange. But it wasn't bad. It was pretty decent considering it was Led Zeppelin's first gig after 5 years and Bonham was absent.
Jimmy, I know, wouldn't openly insult any "highly regarded rock" musician unless that person was being a dick. But once Phil insulted the band, Jimmy didn't hold back how he really felt. I agree, If you listen to the performance and be honest, the drumming was the #1 key thing that was off about the whole thing.
Robert invited Phil to "sit in". Tony Thompson (not Chester, as someone else said), ignored Phil - someone who has played high-complexity music with other drummers and percussionists throughout his career- and wouldn't work out the shared parts. Phil walked into a set he hadn't been ASKED to rehearse, thinking he was gonna play Whole Lotta Love, having jammed on this and other songs hundreds of times in his life, had just arrived from London, and, having been the go-to drummer, on short notice and in the studio and live, for dozens of top-notch musicians, found himself the odd man out in a band of whom only Robert, unilaterally asked him to be there. And Page, I think, WAS out of it. To be fair, Phil has nailed many sit-in-at-the-last-minute gigs with top notch people as well as being tour drummer for Plant, Clapton, and sought out by Fripp, Wetton, YES, et al. It was disastrous chemistry, Phil had reason to think he cold pull it off but had to contend with another drummer who wouldn't sit and work it through for a half hour, and actually stopped hitting anything but a simple 4/4 once he realized it was a whole other gig than he had been INVITED to play. The guy has done as much as anyone alive to support musicians, famous and not, treating them like regular people, just because he liked their music, and never deserved the set-up or the blame he received. And Page was a stoned dick (not known for being a nice guy) who wouldn't even say hello, much less welcome the drumming legend and help him understand what he was about to be asked to play.
mortcola

Huntington, NY

#49 Mar 23, 2017
Watch the YouTube video above at 28 minutes. and
. Watch Firth of Firth from this or any concert video - More complex and subtle - and intense - as anything Zeppelin ever recorded. You have to know it was the situation. Why else would Plant (and Clapton, et al) have asked Phil to go out as their TOUR drummer - artist after artist trusted his drumming, acknowledged by a huge majority of prog drummer as up in the top ten, or better, of all the rock drummer in history. Bonham was important, and tasty, but was far behind Collins in technique and subtlety (great bass drum, though), and its not supposed to be a competition.
GuyWithGuitars

Woodstock, GA

#50 Apr 6, 2017
Gonna give this one to Phil too. Anyone who cut their teeth on 80's Phil Collins is missing out on his most brilliant work in early-mid Genesis (up to and including Trick of the Tail, sans Peter Gabriel). Bonham was a one-trick pony on drums. ZERO dynamics, like a gorilla with drum sticks. Not to say it didn't fit what Zep was doing but if Jimmy Page thinks Phil Collins can't play Zeppelin songs, I shudder to think of what kind of mess John Bonham would've done to pretty much ANY Genesis song, given the same opportunity.
GuyWithGuitars

Woodstock, GA

#51 Apr 6, 2017
Cheeseman wrote:
Zep at Live Aid. Who the hell cares. They played for like 20 minutes. Jimmy Page is just always bitter and nervous and over productive over Zeppelin in every interview. It's all he has. And it's now very very old. 35 years gone. He has no right to even talk about that dumb performance or even mention Phil Collins. Holy Christ. Poor Jimmy. He hasn't done a damn good thing since 1980.
1980? You're giving Jimmy a lot of runway here. I'd say 1970. lol.
Iracord

North Hollywood, CA

#52 Apr 24, 2017
Jammy Pige wrote:
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Look, all the Phil freaks get lost. I never the Gen.. was all that good anyway. I'm telling right now to a none drummer/musician I'm sure it does sound good. The fact of the matter is it might "sound" good to "you" but that doesn't mean it's right. Drummer have to keep the "beat" in "time" and play a crucial "roll" in doing so. Phil Collins is the Ringo Star of the 80s and as such nothing but a "snare/bassdrum/123/123 " drummer and there's no way in hell he even belongs on the same stage with Jimmy and Plant. His only talent is as a somewhat unique vocalist/singer for sound tracks from bad movies and in that capacity he does quite well. Jimmy was off that day, but he's Jimmy and it's his gig, and he's got the right to be "off" and mad when his drummers make things worse and did it ever occur to you that Jimmy didn't want Phil because he knows Phil sucks on the drums and so Phil screwed it up on purpose and blamed it on the other drummer??? Anyway, nobody care!!! Ancient history. Hey, maybe Plant will get back together if Jimmy will let him put Phil on drums!!! NOT!!! What a nightmare that would be...
Nothing wrong with Ringo-he's fine, and Phil is a Great drummer!
Saw him many times with Genesis (& Bill Bruford-also great!)!
I'm a Recording Engineer, and have worked with some of the best drummers of all time-from Buddy Rich to Terry Bozzio! Jimmy is amazing and a great guy, but "sloppy" a Lot! As is Plant!
Love them all, but CLEARLY you have NO CLUE what you're talking about! So shut up FFS!!!
Do you even play or compose!? What gives you the right-learn how to spell!
Prrrrrdiddy

Miamisburg, OH

#53 Apr 29, 2017
Jimmys_spokesman wrote:
I don't know how true this is if you look back at the performance; let me just say the it was wild w/so many people going crazy and everybody was a little bit off beat---not just Phil, but we didn't give a damn it was the coolest thing in rock n roll history. Everybody's hopes were up and now they are again. We don't care about perfection anymore---whatever you guys come up with especially w/Bonham the later we'll be happy. Bring on the Mighty Zep!!!
Not to to be too late to the party, but just watches this for 67089092 time and under the influence that PhilCollins was a little toooooo big for his britches.... main event of a show that has Clapton Beck and Led Zeppelin...Really, Phil Collins. Although there was no jacket required to play drums there was a prerequisite to be able to keep time... hmmmm.... not saying that Pages was always n time he was always Pagey and YOU should know that it's not just straightforward Boom boom boom life you're accustomed to. Yes the was 22 years ago but I defend my BOY Jimmy
mortcola

Huntington, NY

#54 May 11, 2017
Prrrrrdiddy wrote:
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Not to to be too late to the party, but just watches this for 67089092 time and under the influence that PhilCollins was a little toooooo big for his britches.... main event of a show that has Clapton Beck and Led Zeppelin...Really, Phil Collins. Although there was no jacket required to play drums there was a prerequisite to be able to keep time... hmmmm.... not saying that Pages was always n time he was always Pagey and YOU should know that it's not just straightforward Boom boom boom life you're accustomed to. Yes the was 22 years ago but I defend my BOY Jimmy
Considering that Phil has been called by Neil Peart one of the most technically accomplished, lyrical drummers out there, who set the bar for HIM - Peart - to aim for in how to play complex progressive drums with feel; and that Plant and Clapton sought Phil to be their TOUR drummer, album drummer, producer, and that John Wetton of King Crimson called Collins by far the greatest drummer he has ever played with, beyond Bruford in musicality, ability to rock, lock in with the bassist, listen, and demonstrate phenomenal technique.....it was a situation in which Plant asked Phil to sit in, the rest of the band hand't planned on it, Tony Thompson wouldn't rehearse or even DISCUSS the set with Phil....you're talking about someone who is widely regarded by drummers of every generation as a uniquely gifted, drummer one of the greatest of all time.....you really don't know his legacy.

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