Jimmy Page Calls Phil Collins 'Disast...

Jimmy Page Calls Phil Collins 'Disastrous Drummer'

There are 44 comments on the Bismarck-Mandan's Pure Classic Rock Station story from Dec 6, 2007, titled Jimmy Page Calls Phil Collins 'Disastrous Drummer'. In it, Bismarck-Mandan's Pure Classic Rock Station reports that:

“I don't want to blame anyone but the two drummers (Phil Collins and Tony Thompson of Chic) hadn't learned their parts. "You can get away with that in a pop band but not with Led Zeppelin.”

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Wes

Tucson, AZ

#22 Jul 21, 2012
Jammy Pige wrote:
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Look, all the Phil freaks get lost. I never the Gen.. was all that good anyway. I'm telling right now to a none drummer/musician I'm sure it does sound good. The fact of the matter is it might "sound" good to "you" but that doesn't mean it's right. Drummer have to keep the "beat" in "time" and play a crucial "roll" in doing so. Phil Collins is the Ringo Star of the 80s and as such nothing but a "snare/bassdrum/123/123 " drummer and there's no way in hell he even belongs on the same stage with Jimmy and Plant. His only talent is as a somewhat unique vocalist/singer for sound tracks from bad movies and in that capacity he does quite well. Jimmy was off that day, but he's Jimmy and it's his gig, and he's got the right to be "off" and mad when his drummers make things worse and did it ever occur to you that Jimmy didn't want Phil because he knows Phil sucks on the drums and so Phil screwed it up on purpose and blamed it on the other drummer??? Anyway, nobody care!!! Ancient history. Hey, maybe Plant will get back together if Jimmy will let him put Phil on drums!!! NOT!!! What a nightmare that would be...
Your analysis of Phil Collins' drumming couldn't be further from the truth. The truth is, Bonham couldn't hold a candle to the drumming that Phil Collins did back in the 70's with Genesis. Back then, Genesis was a prominent progressive rock band, and progressive music is known for being quite complicated, especially on the drumming front. Jimmy Page should know better than to infer that Phil Collins is only a pop drummer and can't handle such complicated music that Led Zeppelin produces. Not to say Led Zeppelin is simple, but compared to early Genesis music when Phil Collins was drumming AND singing backup, Zeppelin sounds like music written by children. That may sound a little harsh and I do like Led Zeppelin, but they've always sounded like shit live - due in large part to Jimmy Page's awful overly extended feedback-filled guitar solos that sound more like irritating noise than music. He sounds great on record, but induces headaches in live performances.

So before you insult my man Phil Collins' ability to play the drums, I think you should do your homework to find out how good of a drummer he really was in the 70s with Genesis. Sure, he simplified things a bit as he got older in the 80s but that doesn't diminish the fact that he was a freak behind the kit in the 70s. Don't believe me? I suggest you search on youtube for Genesis "Fountain of Salmacis" live and you might get an idea of what I'm talking about (real complicated music that miraculously finds a way to groove. I wonder why that is?).

Final Note: Phil Collins in his prime (which was NOT 1985) vs. John Bonham in his prime.......Phil Collins wins in a landslide. Listen to live Genesis in the 70s before replying please.
Duke

Barcelona, Spain

#23 Oct 18, 2012
Phil Collins is the Only One drummer, the most musical drummer ever. He is God. He is the only one who created the most beautiful rythm patterns who could be considered as complex drum riffs: listen to Genesis in Watcher of the Skies, Cinema Show -the instrumental second part of the song-, Down and Out and so on... He created amazing drum sounds -unique, powerful, dirty and cristaline at the same time-: listen to In the Air Tonight, listen to Peter Gabriel's records as solo musician -Phil played drums in one of them-, listen to Duke Genesis album. He has the best dinamycs I've heard in drummer's world, specially in first Genesis records. After, he was a master of the most powerful and beautiful fills in drums ever created. Listen to his work at Brand X too. Phil is spectacular, full of feeling, dynamics, power and creativity. But I repeat: His work on create rhythm patterns is UNIQUE. Listen to In that Quiet Earth of Genesis... Drumming is not only rhythm, big kits, amazing solos. They are music too. That's the reason why I say that Phil is the BEST in drumming history. (Oh, i forgot: Bonham is simply overrated: he was the drummer of Zeppelin, that's the reason; and Zep is probably the most overrated band in rock history).
ploop

Sheffield, UK

#24 Dec 9, 2012
If Collins was a crap drummer, he wouldn't have been hired by RP to play on 2 albums, and tour with him in 83.

Listen to Selling England by the pound, or watch Duke at the lyceum 1980 on youtube, it's nothing like the simpler drumming in pop singles he has subsequently become famous for. Many famous drummers of today cite Collins as an influence.
sir

Mississauga, Canada

#25 Dec 20, 2012
i got to this page and saw that everybody on the first page of comments insulted Phil Collins as "the Ringo Starr of the 80s" and worse; I was starting to get appalled... I mean... at least Phil does a steady beat in the pop 80s... but John Bonham? Moby Dick solo SUCKS!!! It's the worst drum solo I know (I only know about 9 though).

Unfortunately, I don't think those guys from 2011 who bashed Phil Collins are going to read these posts from 2012.

My favourite youtube video of Genesis which features Phil's impressive drumming is the "Musical Box" (the belgian tv video). he doesn't just pitter-patter on the cymbals but he goes crazy in the middle.
Mr Bassman

Pittsfield, MA

#26 Jan 14, 2013
Face it.Mr. Thompson made a fairly common drummer mistake....he thought he knew the song because he had heard it a million times.What he overlooked is Bonham's amazing skills fool drummers into thinking "I can do that!".When Thompson got on the firing line without rehearsing the tune,he was lost.In the video you can see him looking at Phil for cues.Have 2 drummers on Stairway was a big mistake.I know for a fact that Phil knew every note ,so He's blameless.Oh,and not for nothing,the Rhodes does not have a strong attack so JPJ chording during the solo was worthless as arrhythmia instrument.My point,give Phil a break!
Z Rocker

Romulus, MI

#27 Jan 28, 2013
Yeah I think the whole band was off at Live Aid, not just Phil it sounded like they just decided to jam as opposed to rehearsing.

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Gretschman

Saint Louis, MO

#28 Feb 18, 2013
AJM77 wrote:
I think it's horses for courses. Collins is the best Collins-style drummer and Bonham is the best Bonham-style drummer. People complain about Phil's performance but Bonham is a tough act to follow. Equally, how would Bonham fare when playing some of Genesis' complex music- 7/8, 9/8 and 13/8 for example? Session musicians never work well for bands of LZ's stature and the chemistry cannot be re-captured, therefore, no one could do it like Phil for Genesis; the same as there was no one else like Bonham for LZ, or Keith Moon for the Who. It's chemistry as much as musicianship that make a band great and, as there was no chemistry here, there was no band. LZ finished for me in 1980 and those albums are sacred to me. We should expect no more than that. Incidently, I love both Phil and Bonham. Peace.
Totally agree with you there. I've been playing drums for 40 years, instructing for 20. Grew up on L.Z. and Genesis both. I believe there was a lot going on that day that, confusion, no time to prepare etc from what I read from the interviews. All one has to do is look at some of the early Genesis footage to see Phil was and is an incredible drummer. I would compare his early style to Michael Shrieve (Santana/Woodstock). John Bonham was one of my major inspirations, so was Phil Collins, Buddy Rich, Stewart Copeland, Dave Weckyl, and Keith Moon. All different styles. I remember when Stevie Ray Vaughn first played Montreux, they were booing him for playing Jimi Hendrix, some one told him backstage "You are No Jimi Hendrix" he replied: "Damn strait, I'm Stevie Ray fucking Vaughn...remember that!" I know from interviews Phil was a big John Bonham fan. He wasnt trying to be John, he was playing his style. Besides, since when did Zeppelin ever play the same way twice? What I liked about them is how they took liberty with their music. Phil was called on because of the studio work he had done for Robert Plant "Burning Down One Side"
Ok, that was my rant..I'll go back to my students and listen to how "Travis Barker is the greatest drummer in the world"...:p
Cheers!
Scotty

Aurora, CO

#29 Feb 18, 2013
Travis Barker, oh my god. Bonham played off the bass drum hard, Collins never does that.Bonham on the last Zeppelin tour was 275 pounds and dying at the end. He wouldn't have been anywhere near Thompson or Collins by '85 tipping the scales over 300 pounds. He & Moon drank their bodies to a bloated mess. The whole band at that show was winging it unrehearsed. When LZ does their 5 night stand at The Rose Bowl in November, they will be. By the way, Page was obliterated on cocaine for most of the 80's.
BIG DICK

Chicago, IL

#30 May 13, 2013
Collins crams a lot more in without wearing it on his arms...He is MORE CHALLENGING to me as a drummer, Bonzo hits a hell of a lot harder ,both have subtle nuances which make them unique..with a slight edge to Bonzo, in the nuance department..But Bonham would have a harder time in genesis , the dynamics would pose a difficult problem for him, especially in a live setting.....

Ringo star has both of them beat, listen to the entire Rubber soul album, you'll hear what i mean...Thats drumming on another level..

And yes, Page IS A PAINFUL EXPERIENCE IN A LIVE SETTING, he absolutely stinks the place up..
Jerry

Chicago, IL

#31 May 13, 2013
Page is a bastardisation of himself. His studio work is stunning , his live presentation is bloody awful ugly. I can play better guitar with my casts on my feet .and make it look easier.. I saw him live , up close several times in his prime. I was right up front, and i can tell you , he was drooling all over himself, and the worst part of it was , he labored soooooo much on every note , sooooo much effort , and the music coming out sounded like crap ...each time i walked away asking myself, is this the same guy on the records...? if you expend that much energy into what you're.doing and producing magic , well then, i will be satisfied with the performance, but if you could see and hear what i experienced each of the 6 times i saw LZ over a 10 year period in the 1970s, you would walk away as gravely disappointed as i was..
Jerry

Chicago, IL

#32 May 13, 2013
I saw genesis , queen, the sex pistols , the ramones and frank zappa all around the same time . The pistols in SF, Queen several times in nyc from 1975 to 1977,genesis in 1977 , collins on vocals, the ramones numerous times in nyc, zappa in nyc , and the one band of this group of groups that didn't have it down
were the sex pistols, they , like led zepplin , sounded and played like shit..I must say however i saw the pistils reunion concert at the roseland in manhattan and they finally figured it out, they were fantastic, zepplin in later years were even worse than they were when they made ny bowell quiver in the 1970s...the pistols were better musicians by a long shot...
AZO

Houston, TX

#33 Jun 13, 2013
Actually Collins could play circles around Bonham technically. Plus that's not fair to blame him for shitty drumming they had that other dude from power station stepping his beats.
Jimibabywoods

Saint Helens, UK

#34 Jul 17, 2013
Jammy Pige wrote:
<quoted text>
Look, all the Phil freaks get lost. I never the Gen.. was all that good anyway. I'm telling right now to a none drummer/musician I'm sure it does sound good. The fact of the matter is it might "sound" good to "you" but that doesn't mean it's right. Drummer have to keep the "beat" in "time" and play a crucial "roll" in doing so. Phil Collins is the Ringo Star of the 80s and as such nothing but a "snare/bassdrum/123/123 " drummer and there's no way in hell he even belongs on the same stage with Jimmy and Plant. His only talent is as a somewhat unique vocalist/singer for sound tracks from bad movies and in that capacity he does quite well. Jimmy was off that day, but he's Jimmy and it's his gig, and he's got the right to be "off" and mad when his drummers make things worse and did it ever occur to you that Jimmy didn't want Phil because he knows Phil sucks on the drums and so Phil screwed it up on purpose and blamed it on the other drummer??? Anyway, nobody care!!! Ancient history. Hey, maybe Plant will get back together if Jimmy will let him put Phil on drums!!! NOT!!! What a nightmare that would be...
You have just proved you know absolutely nothing about music. Well done
Me Myself I

Maia, Portugal

#35 Jul 28, 2013
That's not true... First, Ringo was a timekeeper: no big breaks, no fireworks (hello Keith Moon) and no gimmicks at all. Phil was surely a more complete musician than Ringo. And a damn hard-worker too. Countless are the collaborations he kept between 1983 and 1986, counting Clapton, Plant, Tina, Howard Jones, Philip Bailey, not excluding Genesis and his solo career. In Live Aid he played at Wembley ans then took the Concorde and played in the JFK. So I have to say: shame on Jimmy for that comment. He didn't want Phil on drums cause he was Robert's choice, which shows how fractious was the old chemistry... and that was what destroyed Zep's performance, not Phil!
A real drummer

Laval, Canada

#36 Aug 4, 2013
Technically and musically, Phil Collins stands way above John Bonham. Period. Whay is all this fuss about Bonham? He's tight and swings while he plays his rock'n'roll. Ian Paice and Phil Collins come first, then comes Bonham, God rests his soul.
A real drummer

Laval, Canada

#37 Aug 4, 2013
Phil's drumming in 70s Genesis makes Bonham look like an amateur. Bonham was good and all, but he was nowhere near the best drummer of his era, let alone of all time (Bruford, Palmer, and Peart were also all better drummers than Bonzo). Bonham's legacy as "the best" is mostly due to his dying young. Meanwhile, Collins is not remembered for the great drummer he once was, but the cheese ball pop star he turned into in the 80s. In their respective heydays, Phil was the better drummer.
Ded Zep

Schenectady, NY

#38 Aug 4, 2013
Of course, there are millions of drummers better than the dead John Bong Ham that shat down his filthy fat legs on his drum stool. It is well known that a portable potty was brought in while the rapists were playing their three hour bang a thons concerts on stage to their clueless masses that apparently are still in denial that Ded Zep stole every song they screamed and bashed out. Jimmy's Age's filthy tongue slobbering from his drooling mouth as he counted the money he robbed from the blues masters and the original artists that wrote the material. As far as I know, Phil Collins might have turned into a hit pop singer but his reputation as an excellent drummer is solid. Ded Zep have been exposed as the hacks that they really were. Wipe that dribbling, wrinkled and sagging chin, you old bastard.
Jack

Helsinki, Finland

#39 Oct 16, 2013
How can you even debate this?!?!:D Yes, plant (especially in rock n roll) was way off, and page was like page had been since 1977 (to some extent 1975)= not that good (except from time to time when the "real" page was seen from under all the shit):D BUTBUTBUT Phil Collins, just to give a COUPLE of exemples, totally missed the hits in the whole lotta love "solo" and then ended the song in a drumfillcresendo when it was actually time to play the outro solo (that zep always played live during the 70s) so as someone said, page and plant and jones had the "right" to be off, and they actually played quite well compared to some other shows, especially page actually was better than during most of the 80s, BUT phil collins should have known the structure of the songs if he was gona play with them, futhermore he played in the wrong style and the wrong sound for zeppelin, but the latter part is OK as he was invited, it is not his fault he sounds like him...:D
DRUMMER TONY THOMPSON

Adelaide, Australia

#40 Nov 26, 2013
The Drummer is Tony Thompson (Chic/Bowie/Powerstation/Madon na etc etc etc)
NOT Chester Thompson.
Tony when interviewed later that year told of how he was recovering from a car crash just before Live Aid and they only rehearsed the day before as Led Zeppelin. Robert and Jimmy were in the throws of heavy drug use, Jimmy hadn't even taken an amp to Live Aid the one he used was Andy Taylor's. Tony wasn't told Phil Collins was to play with them, he didn't want to do a drum duet, he was the drummer. I think if you watch the performance out of tune vocals and a dribbling Jimmy Page probably high lighted they'd lived off their names long enough and they needed repair to move on and thank god they did!
Anonymous

Merchantville, NJ

#41 Dec 31, 2013
Mr Bassman wrote:
Face it.Mr. Thompson made a fairly common drummer mistake....he thought he knew the song because he had heard it a million times.What he overlooked is Bonham's amazing skills fool drummers into thinking "I can do that!".When Thompson got on the firing line without rehearsing the tune,he was lost.In the video you can see him looking at Phil for cues.Have 2 drummers on Stairway was a big mistake.I know for a fact that Phil knew every note ,so He's blameless.Oh,and not for nothing,the Rhodes does not have a strong attack so JPJ chording during the solo was worthless as arrhythmia instrument.My point,give Phil a break!
I have to agree with you. Phil in the 70's and early 80's was one the best all time drummers and Jimmy Page, who some people adore, blows live I think. He was so messed up on drugs that I don't think he even knew what good sounded like. On an album he sounds good, but live he is Horrible.

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