Jimmy Page Calls Phil Collins 'Disastrous Drummer'

Dec 6, 2007 | Posted by: roboblogger | Full story: Bismarck-Mandan's Pure Classic Rock Station

“I don't want to blame anyone but the two drummers (Phil Collins and Tony Thompson of Chic) hadn't learned their parts. "You can get away with that in a pop band but not with Led Zeppelin.”

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Jimmys_spokesman

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Dec 6, 2007
 
I don't know how true this is if you look back at the performance; let me just say the it was wild w/so many people going crazy and everybody was a little bit off beat---not just Phil, but we didn't give a damn it was the coolest thing in rock n roll history. Everybody's hopes were up and now they are again. We don't care about perfection anymore---whatever you guys come up with especially w/Bonham the later we'll be happy. Bring on the Mighty Zep!!!
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Dec 8, 2007
 
I remember it well Jimmys_spokeman.

I loved it and was going out of my mind watching it.

And if I never saw it a second time I would have said it was fantastic.

I didn't like the drummers nor what's his name playing bass on Stairway from Plants solo band. He also helped ruin the day.
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Dec 9, 2007
 
Jimmyb, I just went on youtube and took a look at the arms footage of Jimmy doing stairway instrumental with Clapton and I believe Beck coming on stage to back him up and I thought Page delivered an awsome performance. But when I took a look at the Live Aid Stairway---I thought Jimmy"s solo does seem to be a little off. Still, I think that's the chances you've got to take when you mix it up a little---otherwise it's the same old shit for them and no magic involved.
Here's the thing, sometimes Jimmy likes to change up or improvise the solo and that's where Phil and this other guy failed to do what BONZO did so well. BONZO was very intuitive at knowing whenever Jimmy decided to go off on a tangent and followed Jimmy's ques superbly---something that Jimmy probably found lacking with Phil. And I think the very reason for the magic that came to life on The Song Remains the Same extended solo.
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Dec 9, 2007
 
Jimmys_Spokesman wrote:
Jimmyb, I just went on youtube and took a look at the arms footage of Jimmy doing stairway instrumental with Clapton and I believe Beck coming on stage to back him up and I thought Page delivered an awsome performance. But when I took a look at the Live Aid Stairway---I thought Jimmy"s solo does seem to be a little off. Still, I think that's the chances you've got to take when you mix it up a little---otherwise it's the same old shit for them and no magic involved.
Here's the thing, sometimes Jimmy likes to change up or improvise the solo and that's where Phil and this other guy failed to do what BONZO did so well. BONZO was very intuitive at knowing whenever Jimmy decided to go off on a tangent and followed Jimmy's ques superbly---something that Jimmy probably found lacking with Phil. And I think the very reason for the magic that came to life on The Song Remains the Same extended solo.
I agree, I went and looked at the official release of The Arms Concert and no Clapton or Beck. You can read Jimmy's lips though at the end of Stairway he says,"where's Jeff". I seen the footage your talking about and that must have been amazing to witness.
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I remember watching it live in 1985. Phil Collins has played with Eric Clapton and did it great as usual. He has just toured with Robert Plant and was invited by him to play with Led Zeppelin. What i saw and you can check it out on You Tube, was a Plant that couldnt reach a higher note without beijg out of tune and a Page that looked drunk to say a little, and making a lot of mistakes. Phil is used to double drumming, but the other guy was note and tried to compete with him.. That was when Phil decided to give up. Page was trying to put the blame on Phil because he simply didnt want him, cause Plant invited.
Just for the record: Bonzo taught his son Jason to play drums along with Turn It On Again by Genesis with Phil on drums. Page was wrong.
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It definitely sounds like a mess. Something to note, however, if you listen to the actual performance (available on Youtube) -- there are two drummers, and it just sounds like one drummer. Which seems to indicate the the drummers know what's up. Which seems to indicate that it's not the drummers, but rather Mr. Page who was sucking.

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Phil had no business being there,period

nuff said

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Jammy Pige

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Sunderbrook wrote:
It definitely sounds like a mess. Something to note, however, if you listen to the actual performance (available on Youtube)-- there are two drummers, and it just sounds like one drummer. Which seems to indicate the the drummers know what's up. Which seems to indicate that it's not the drummers, but rather Mr. Page who was sucking.
Look, all the Phil freaks get lost. I never the Gen.. was all that good anyway. I'm telling right now to a none drummer/musician I'm sure it does sound good. The fact of the matter is it might "sound" good to "you" but that doesn't mean it's right. Drummer have to keep the "beat" in "time" and play a crucial "roll" in doing so. Phil Collins is the Ringo Star of the 80s and as such nothing but a "snare/bassdrum/123/123 " drummer and there's no way in hell he even belongs on the same stage with Jimmy and Plant. His only talent is as a somewhat unique vocalist/singer for sound tracks from bad movies and in that capacity he does quite well. Jimmy was off that day, but he's Jimmy and it's his gig, and he's got the right to be "off" and mad when his drummers make things worse and did it ever occur to you that Jimmy didn't want Phil because he knows Phil sucks on the drums and so Phil screwed it up on purpose and blamed it on the other drummer??? Anyway, nobody care!!! Ancient history. Hey, maybe Plant will get back together if Jimmy will let him put Phil on drums!!! NOT!!! What a nightmare that would be...
Jammy Pige

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Apr 27, 2008
 
Jammy Pige wrote:
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Look, all the Phil freaks get lost. I never the Gen.. was all that good anyway. I'm telling right now to a none drummer/musician I'm sure it does sound good. The fact of the matter is it might "sound" good to "you" but that doesn't mean it's right. Drummer have to keep the "beat" in "time" and play a crucial "roll" in doing so. Phil Collins is the Ringo Star of the 80s and as such nothing but a "snare/bassdrum/123/123 " drummer and there's no way in hell he even belongs on the same stage with Jimmy and Plant. His only talent is as a somewhat unique vocalist/singer for sound tracks from bad movies and in that capacity he does quite well. Jimmy was off that day, but he's Jimmy and it's his gig, and he's got the right to be "off" and mad when his drummers make things worse and did it ever occur to you that Jimmy didn't want Phil because he knows Phil sucks on the drums and so Phil screwed it up on purpose and blamed it on the other drummer??? Anyway, nobody care!!! Ancient history. Hey, maybe Plant will get back together if Jimmy will let him put Phil on drums!!! NOT!!! What a nightmare that would be...
My appoligies to Phil Collins, but your drumming style is NOT anything like Bonzo and you should have played Stairway like Bonzo not Phil as you were playing Staiway. With that in mind your drumming work was quite well for Genesis, but that is very different music all together. Peace.
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john bonham are always, nr 1..........
Jammy Pige

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May 1, 2008
 
sweden wrote:
john bonham are always, nr 1..........
Thank You!!! Yes!!! Thank YOU!!! YES!!! BONHAM Rocks!!
SWEDEN Rocks!!!
JIMMYB Rocks!!!
MARCUS Rocks!!!
LEDZEP69 Rocks!!!
JAMMY PIGE Rocks!!!
BRING ON THE MIGHTY ZEP!!!
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Sep 11, 2009
 
I think it's horses for courses. Collins is the best Collins-style drummer and Bonham is the best Bonham-style drummer. People complain about Phil's performance but Bonham is a tough act to follow. Equally, how would Bonham fare when playing some of Genesis' complex music- 7/8, 9/8 and 13/8 for example? Session musicians never work well for bands of LZ's stature and the chemistry cannot be re-captured, therefore, no one could do it like Phil for Genesis; the same as there was no one else like Bonham for LZ, or Keith Moon for the Who. It's chemistry as much as musicianship that make a band great and, as there was no chemistry here, there was no band. LZ finished for me in 1980 and those albums are sacred to me. We should expect no more than that. Incidently, I love both Phil and Bonham. Peace.
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Jammy Pige wrote:
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Phil Collins is the Ringo Star of the 80s and as such nothing but a "snare/bassdrum/123/123 " drummer
Listen to Brand X and you'll realize how stupid you sound.
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Jan 18, 2010
 
I liked the drums on Page&Plants "Walking into ClarksDale"

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Chuck

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Jan 18, 2010
 
i just watched phil trying to play drums for Zep in 85 , terrible!!!

the gorillia in the advert was good!
A Real Drummer

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....responds to said real drummer(s) above....Phil Collins and old Genesis easily bury anything and everything in the Zep canon technically. Period. Anyone can have an off day with poor monitors playing outdoors with a rag tag band of aged out of practice players who are not used to playing with living drummers for over a decade.
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Mar 2, 2010
 
They should have Jason Bonham on drums for the reunion tour. It would be cool, you know, since he's Bonzo's son.
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Jun 6, 2011
 
Let's face it Jimmy is right, you can get away with that stuff in a pop band but Led Zeppelin is a entity, if you will. And you could tell they were just mailing it in, so to speak and Chester Thompson is a fine drummer but it didn't look like he did his homework that much either. Just a professional opinion!!
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Jul 13, 2011
 
I speak as a Zeppelin fan of 30 years. Live-aid needed to be nailed, it had to be near perfect, this was no place for going-off on tangents. This was the whole world watching and if you look at acts like Queen and U2 they rehearsed and rehearsed and fine tuned their performance to fit the event. Zep did not. They were totally under rehearsed, there is no point in going off on a tangent at an event like this, it needed to be done professionally but they were unrehearsed and totally out of it, which is a great shame as it does not come across well to the general public, they made the same mistake at the Atlantic Party event. Look at how much Queen crammed in 15 mins, yet with Zeppelin no imagination or thought about the set list, almost sleep walking through the obvious hits
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Before Jimmy insulted Phil Collins' drumming, Phil Collins insulted their performance right after their performance when they were all doing a joint interview. And if you ask me, Jimmy was right! Phil blew it and didn't know his parts. Phil blames the band for his own fuck up because his ego is too huge to admit he fucked up.
He should have rehearsed more. Other drummers have played with those songs and did a fine job. Jimmy's playing wasn't at his peak but it wasn't bad really. The guitar was a little out of tune and maybe too much flange. But it wasn't bad. It was pretty decent considering it was Led Zeppelin's first gig after 5 years and Bonham was absent.
Jimmy, I know, wouldn't openly insult any "highly regarded rock" musician unless that person was being a dick. But once Phil insulted the band, Jimmy didn't hold back how he really felt. I agree, If you listen to the performance and be honest, the drumming was the #1 key thing that was off about the whole thing.

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