Is Keanu's Career in the Toilet?

Is Keanu's Career in the Toilet?

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#1 Oct 15, 2011
Judging from this topic board, I'd say yes. I was browsing some of the older stuff. The discussions were much more interesting and lively. There were quite a few contributors. The interest has died down. There are the same few contributors, all expressing the same glazed over Keanu-worship. And then there's Donna.

I don't think that many people are interested in Keanu Reeves anymore. He's very dated. And the whole Sad Keanu meme was such a joke. His book wasn't promoted in the US at all, just that little thing in LA. No one gave a damn.

If Brad Pitt or George Clooney wrote a book, there would be mob scenes in every major bookstore.

Compare Keanu's vanity project (which I liked) to Brad Pitt and George Clooney's latest, Moneyball and Ides of March. I didn't like either one and yes, I realize that neither one is a big BO success, but they are both major productions which made at least some money, while HC was a tiny indie production that made chump change and came and went. Keanu doesn't have clout. Now he's going to China. I mean, come on.

Yeah, bring it on. I know that Keanu's followers on this board will say, "that's the way he wants it, he's real and low key," but that's BS. He's a big star and big stars all want success.

I think his star is fading. If Ronin doesn't do well his career will be very damaged.

And no one talks about him here except 5 or 6 people.

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#2 Oct 15, 2011
Hmm,

The difference between KR and GC and BP is that GC and BP need to spend millions of dollars in marketing to make people pay attention TO THEIR WORK.

KR works. He doesn't care who shows up. Having said that, all KR has to do is to step out from the shadow and the glistening paps are there to pay attention to HIM. Worse, his PR doesn't call ahead.

That is the difference between longevity and not.
ardith

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#3 Oct 15, 2011
I have to agree but I'm actually wondering what happened? What caused his fall from grace? He seems to get no support from his manager or his agent, or a studio. Yet he is hired to make a very expensive film...with a nobody director? Is some extremely wealthy person from Japan, paying for the film? I'm puzzled.

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#4 Oct 15, 2011
George Clooney reminds me of Rock Hudson.

He was close to Rosemary Clooney. Do you think she groomed him re "old h'wood"?:0)

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#5 Oct 15, 2011
Sophia_Sophia wrote:
And no one talks about him here except 5 or 6 people.
I think KR would *l*o*v*e* it that nobody talked about him. OMG to be able to work (in whatever capacity he defines that to be) and to be able to walk amongst "the living" with no one reporting on his bike rides/tank fills/date nights... that would be "excellent".

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#6 Oct 15, 2011
ardith wrote:
I have to agree but I'm actually wondering what happened? What caused his fall from grace? He seems to get no support from his manager or his agent, or a studio. Yet he is hired to make a very expensive film...with a nobody director? Is some extremely wealthy person from Japan, paying for the film? I'm puzzled.
What fall from grace? He is working on film that interests "him". One that his manager/agent/studio doesn't have a monetary "interest" in.
He is a GLOBAL star. There is "life" outside of (bankrupt) H'wood.
OMG say it ain't so.(says so sarcastically)

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#7 Oct 16, 2011
my queen, could you please pass the popcorn? this is getting interesting ;)

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#8 Oct 16, 2011
the reason that the anount of people have dropped off here is the slander that is written in the form of truth, its just soooo boreing and samey, who wants to stay around that.

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#9 Oct 16, 2011
ardith wrote:
I have to agree but I'm actually wondering what happened? What caused his fall from grace? He seems to get no support from his manager or his agent, or a studio. Yet he is hired to make a very expensive film...with a nobody director? Is some extremely wealthy person from Japan, paying for the film? I'm puzzled.
Erwin Stoff came up with the money. Somehow, somewhere, some way. A rich Japanese? That is as possible as any theory but I don't think so. I am not a Japan expert but I do know that Japan doesn't have the same billionaire culture as we do, or the Arabs, or the Europeans. They have rich people but not billionaires because of their tax structure.

Also, do you think a rich Japanese would invest in a foreign movie with a (mostly) Caucasian star, about the most cherished story in Japanese culture? I have my doubts.

I don't understand why you say he doesn't get support from his manager. That is Stoff, right? If Stoff can shark up all this $$$ for a weird story like a white guy in 47 Ronin, that strikes me as a lot of support. But maybe you know things I don't.

I don't know anything about his relationship with Huvane.

Jean-Luc Godard said, "the audience meets us halfway, and we meet them." When a major movie actor's career goes stale, it's because he's gone stale. I feel that Keanu is just plain bored, and the audience sees that.

Mind you ardith, I sort of liked Henry's Crime and you didn't. Our mileage varies. Whatever. I hope we can disagree cordially on matters of taste such as movies. I think Keanu might be able to get his groove back in indie projects, hopefully better than HC, and you never know what might happen.

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#10 Oct 16, 2011
Andromeda-1 wrote:
Hmm,
The difference between KR and GC and BP is that GC and BP need to spend millions of dollars in marketing to make people pay attention TO THEIR WORK.
Every in HW does. What world are you living in? Ever hear of a marketing budget? What do you think the marketing budget for MATRIX (or TITANIC, or any HW movie is) was?
Andromeda-1 wrote:
KR works. He doesn't care who shows up.
You can read his mind? Do you honestly think that he wouldn't care if no one showed up for his films?

Look, vanity projects like HC show up what a star's pull is, without the machine pulling people in.

HC netted $150K

MEN WHO STARE AT GOATS, which I thought sucked donkey balls, grossed $32M in US,$69M worldwide.

Big difference.

Clooney is a major star. Keanu Reeves is not, not anymore.

"Having said that, all KR has to do is to step out from the shadow and the glistening paps are there to pay attention to HIM. Worse, his PR doesn't call ahead."

Andromeda you are truly a sad case. Sad. The papps snap Keanu at the usual papp hangouts, which he is careful to go to occasionally. The last time Keanu took the subway, the only person who noticed him was the guy who secretly photo'd him, but the woman he gave his seat to didn't know him from Adam.

If Clooney or Pitt (or Will Smith or Denzel Washington) were on the subway, they would cause a riot.

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#11 Oct 16, 2011
Sophia_Sophia wrote:
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Andromeda you are truly a sad case. Sad.
Re "sad" and "Look, vanity projects like HC show up what a star's pull is, without the machine pulling people in.
HC netted $150K
MEN WHO STARE AT GOATS, which I thought sucked donkey balls, grossed $32M in US,$69M worldwide."

Having a differing opinion isn't "sad". What's sad and disingenuous is that you try to talk over my head thinking I don't know the difference between net and gross. Or that I couldn't possibly see the difference between a WW marketed/release film and comparatively, a limited release film to two micro markets with next to zero marketing.(KR did a handful of interviews just two weeks before HC opened in the UK). The "American market" was limited to only 15 theatres houses (read: not a major player chain,) http://jabcatmovies.com/2011/04/henrys-crime-...

If you want to appear credible, at least compare apples with apples.

As for HC being a "vanity project", IMO, I think HC was about KR cutting his teeth on something bigger he wants to do, not about his ego. Throughout the project I believe he was careful to make sure the investors got their return (probably via video sales). Beyond that, IMO, I don't think it was about "debuting" Keanu Reeves's the producer or his ego.

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#12 Oct 16, 2011
Sophia_Sophia wrote:
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Every in HW does. What world are you living in? Ever hear of a marketing budget? What do you think the marketing budget for MATRIX (or TITANIC, or any HW movie is) was?
Depending on the film/director/etc., the budgets vary. Was there more marketing than usual attached to the Matrix or was it that the film was so revolutionary people couldn't stop talking about it?
They ran out of money when making the Matrix. KR forfeited his back end "profits" so they could finish the film. So I will go with the marketing machine wasn't that big for the Matrix. It was the public momentum and the surprised Kenau Reeves' naysayers (like Quentin Tarantino) that inadvertently marketed the film and helped to create a lot of buzz/hype/buy-in.

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#13 Oct 16, 2011
Sophia_Sophia wrote:
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Clooney is a major star. Keanu Reeves is not, not anymore.

This is my observation about that.

Regardless how you want to weigh [it]. If KR as insignificant as you claim he is, he wouldn't be snapped at all. Most importantly, he wouldn't be getting the parts he *still* does. It would be more "newsworthy" to report on the more relevant (reality) "star du jour" hanging out at (fill in establishment name here).

Lastly, Clooney and Pitt would never be caught dead riding the subway, outside of character, so that's a moot point. Clooney and Pitt would never go anywhere without a posse. Regarding ordinary things: Funny how the paps always know where and when Brad or her will be out doing "regular folk" type stuff with the kids.

KR is known to be accessible and unpretentious in that manner.(Re the latest in UK GQ.)

Clooney and Pitt are stars because they "act" like one read: buy the glitzy lifestyle for all to see/admire/envy. KR doesn't act like a star "that way". He has his public (working) life. And then when he's done working, he goes home/out of sight. He doesn't travel in the ego-centric H'wood "circle" by choice. This has probably worked against him in regards to being "acknowledged" (awards) but he is also on record about that, too. He doesn't "buy" into them if you get my drift.

KR has worked hard throughout his career to be different from everyone else. It may have cost him on one hand, but he says he has the freedom to do what he wants today. The best part being that he doesn't have to be motivated by money, i.e., living hand to mouth.

IMO,*that* is being successful.

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#14 Oct 16, 2011
LucaM wrote:
my queen, could you please pass the popcorn? this is getting interesting ;)
[queen almost drops the popcorn from giggling. YOU made my day!!]
Here ya go, I have gummibears too..umm, forgive me? I ate most of the pineapple ones..[queen bears a sheepish grin before pulling out a fresh bad of gummibears]

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#15 Oct 16, 2011
gummibears? oh, the good ole times... my queen, you ARE spoiling me...
yes, please.

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#16 Oct 16, 2011
"the reason that the anount of people have dropped off here is the slander that is written in the form of truth, its just soooo boreing and samey, who wants to stay around that."

My computer won't let me reply. I have to cut and paste.

The logic of this is that the regulars here (you, Andromeda, Luca) are people who enjoy reading slander.

I might agree with that.

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#17 Oct 16, 2011
"a limited release film to two micro markets with next to zero marketing.(KR did a handful of interviews just two weeks before HC opened in the UK). The "American market" was limited to only 15 theatres houses (read: not a major player chain,) http://jabcatmovies.com/2011/04/henrys-crime -...
If you want to appear credible, at least compare apples with apples."

Thanks for proving my point. Comparing Keanu with Clooney and Pitt isn't comparing apples with apples. I agree.

With 22 "producers", Keanu could muster only a tiny budget and very limited release.

Pitt and Clooney raise millions more on the strength of their names only. MONEYBALL had 4 producers. Why did a tiny little film like HC need 22 producers? Because no one would pony up more than a few thou.
The name Keanu Reeves does not mean the same thing in HW as the names Clooney and Pitt.

The money says so.

Regarding the subway, of course I know that neither Clooney nor Pitt would take the subway. Neither man lives in NYC, and if they took the subway, they'd never get out alive.

You guys are fun. It's like talking to cult members.

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#18 Oct 16, 2011
You imply that there is nothing but slander here for us regulars to read/post to. That's not true. :0)

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#19 Oct 16, 2011
Sophia_Sophia wrote:
The logic of this is that the regulars here (you, Andromeda, Luca) are people who enjoy reading slander.
Of course I do ( enjoy it). It gets me off. Sometimes ;)

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#20 Oct 16, 2011
LucaM wrote:
gummibears? oh, the good ole times... my queen, you ARE spoiling me...
yes, please.
[with a BIG smile on her face, queen hands Luca a fresh bag]..'to the good ole times'.

Ahhh buggars...my posting took too long and my lengthy reply went to outter space..ah well, guess I'm meant to read more..lol! Hmm or do my chores hehehe!

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