The Man With No Name versus The Duke

The Man With No Name versus The Duke

There are 28 comments on the Better Living Through Blogging! story from Jul 29, 2007, titled The Man With No Name versus The Duke. In it, Better Living Through Blogging! reports that:

You all know that Clint Eastwood is one of my heroes; has been since I discovered - belatedly, I admit - the brilliance of "The Good, The Bad, and The Ugly" several years ago. via Better Living Through Blogging!

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Bill

La Mirada, CA

#1 Aug 2, 2007
Putting Clint and Duke at equal ages seems to better determine who the real winner would be. Placing them both at the age of say 35 would have the powerfully built Duke as a clear winner. Also, in the late 1950's and 60's, a lot of movie and television cowboys participated in Hollywood "fast draw" and shooting competitions. Though young Clint participated, he was not a real competetitor as he was determined to be a slow draw and an inaccurate shooter. His appearances were due to the producers of the Rawhide show wanting publicity for the series. Now Duke on the other hand, was by many well documented accounts an excellent marksman with rifle and pistol. Additionally, he'd honed his fast draw over many years working with Yakima Canutt and other stuntmen/cowboys of the 30's and 40's and was supposedly quite good without camera or special effects aid. Pappy Ford had him demonstrate his gun handling skills prior to Stagecoach in order to determine his skill level before telling him he wouldn't be using a six-gun in the film.
lee tanner

Adelaide, Australia

#2 Aug 3, 2007
Great facts. I must admit the fastest western draw and fire was by Sammy Davis Jr.
Bill

La Mirada, CA

#3 Aug 3, 2007
A neat story about Sammy is that when he was to co-star in the Frank Sinatra/"Rat-Pack" vehicle "Sergeants 3", he asked Duke (who was a good friend) if he could borrow his "Hondo hat". Duke agreed and that is what you see in the film. Unfortunately during filming, Sinatra reportedly while joking around pulled the hat down over Sammy's head and stretched it completely out of shape. After filming finished, Sammy returned the hat with his apologies and left; whereupon Duke went and threw the hat in the trash. In later years Duke would comment when asked about the hat "I was so mad, I didn't know what I was doing. I should'a had it bronzed".
christy

Limerick, Ireland

#4 Sep 18, 2007
the fastest draw with a gun was glen ford
bill

United States

#5 Sep 20, 2007
christy wrote:
the fastest draw with a gun was glen ford
Ummm, no that was just a film he was in and was "movie magic". The movie/T.V. "fastest gun" title during the so-called cowboy heyday went to either Rod Redwing or Orville Ojalla. Both were experts with a variety of pistols or rifles, taught many stars how to draw and shoot and Ojalla was was a very famous holster maker for both movies and T.V. where he invented a steel-lined holster to assist with an even faster draw.
chrisy

Limerick, Ireland

#6 Nov 11, 2007
bill i know that glenn ford was in a movie call the fastest gun in 1956. but he was credited with being the fastest gun in hollywood westerns, able to draw and fire in 0.4 seconds, he was faster then james arness [matt dillon of gunsmoke.and rod redwing taught six gun during the western hey day in the 50 and 60 and was reknow fastdraw artist.
Bill

United States

#7 Nov 14, 2007
In a biography on Arvo Ojalla it states the following: "With an ability to cock his pistol, fire and reportedly hit his target in one-sixth of a second, he was the go-to guy for learning the art of the fast-draw during the heyday of TV westerns in the 1950s and '60s."
chrisy

Limerick, Ireland

#8 Nov 14, 2007
ps bill arvo ojala was part of the three master with andy anderson alphonso pineda and bod graham in 1959 fast draw he the only man to win a world tite 3 consecutive decades. andy anderso made rigs for hollywood celebrities.and apphonso pineda was the same his num 2 rigs was made for star like john wayne and gary cooper as the most popular. but as well you have Bob munden at 11year old in 1953 fast draw and in 1976 newspeed record less then two one hundredths second and 18 world record plus the fastest time in walk draw at 15 hundredths of a second .
Beaver

New London, CT

#9 Dec 5, 2007
No disrespect to my 2nd favorite Cowboy/Toughguy,Clint. But John Wayne wins hands down every time every senerio.
Lets also give a Honorable mention to my 3rd favorite Lee Van Clef, He is a better match up for Clint.
Hollywood has not been able to come up with anyone close to Duke since he passed on.
You know my favorite passtime is watching westerns so you no when a new one comes out, I'm all over it.
They just remade glenn fords movie 3:10 to Yuma, Made me think well maybe it would be cool to see a movie like True Grit or Rooster Cougburn remade, But who would they get for his role????
Russel Crow, Tom Cruise or worse yet Brad Pit!!! Please!
Not taking any thing from those guys (I Like there movies)But John waynes they Aint.
Thanks for your time, it would be nice to see your feed back on my thoughts
Plain Bill

Huntsville, AL

#10 Apr 29, 2008
I'm from the Augusta, Ga area and I've heard that an old friend of mine, and others, that Jack Brock ranked high in the fast draw world. He is supposed to have been able to draw and fire his six shooter in 1/10 of a second. I also heard that he taught James Arness how to fast draw. It is reputed that he is the other guy that "Matt Dillon" drew against at the beginning of "Gunsmoke" TV episodes. Whether he did this or not, he was a great guy.
Frank

Hollywood, FL

#11 May 8, 2008
In 1979, after John Wayne had died, me, a young dumb kid then, decided to play a practical joke.
So, one night in an ,"old man's bar" with my young teen friends around, I tarted to make some prank phone calls from the Bars pay phone.
I looked in the phone book, and in those days, was able to find the rea code for the most desolate part of Texas.
Every call was made collect to random numbers with the rural area code starting it off.
"Mister, this is John Wayne. Seems I'm in a bit of trouble, my car ran off the road..........
EVERY SINGLE PERSON THAT I CALLED, ASKED WHERE I WAS AND RAN OUT OF THE HOUSE TO COME TO THE DUKE'S RESCUE.......
Dead? That'll be the day..........
Lamar Lincolnton

Trenton, GA

#12 Jun 23, 2008
can anyone identify the gunslinger who drew against matt dillion at the beginning of each episode
bill

La Mirada, CA

#13 Jun 24, 2008
Lamar Lincolnton wrote:
can anyone identify the gunslinger who drew against matt dillion at the beginning of each episode
Arvo Ojala
Lamar Lincolnton

Trenton, GA

#14 Jun 24, 2008
bill wrote:
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Arvo Ojala
Was he the one in the black and white episodes also, lamar
rusty

Fort Collins, CO

#15 Feb 1, 2009
ok if you all want to know who was the fastest draw, it was hands down Clint Eastwood. For one on his movies he had his own custom holster, and two he did his own shooting on the movies. if you are talking about a rifle then yes he was slower but that is not what this is about. With a Pistol No Name was faster and with a rifle the duke was faster. the reason being they both where smart enough to have their own custom guns and holsters and guns that they knew how to use even in real life. all other actors had nothing on these two.
bill

La Mirada, CA

#16 May 5, 2009
Ummm...again, no. Clint was "movie" fast only and was cut and framed to look good. Duke on the other hand, was well documented to be fast and accurate with pistol and rifle. A misconception came out of Rio Bravo where Sheriff
Chance answers Ricky Nelson's question of why he carried a rifle "I found some were faster'n me with a short gun". The reality was he did not need a trainer like Ojala or Redwing and did not have a steel insert in his holster or a spring in the bottom or what have you like certain actors. His training came with actual day-in/day-out use and repetition on all those oaters he made in the 30's, and from hanging around with the "real" cowboy stuntmen from "Gower Gulch" on set and property masters who could and did build and repair every cowboy weapon from derringers to Gatling guns. Clint himself acknowledged some years back that he did not need to be very fast and did not find it essential to his work. He appeared at fast draw competions, though did not compete effectively.
Ray Walker

Franklin, TN

#17 May 25, 2009
Lamar Lincolnton wrote:
can anyone identify the gunslinger who drew against matt dillion at the beginning of each episode
The guy drawing against Dillon was Arvo Ojjala, the guy who made the fast draw holsters.
Ray Walker

Franklin, TN

#18 May 25, 2009
For all you fast draws fans of old, I competed in several Las Vegas Fast Draw competitions. When you mention draw speeds you need to understand there are always two speeds recorded. Your self decided draw, and one against a clock, when the hand moves you draw. Two very different speeds. On the second draw you have to wait until the clock moved before you draw, measuring reaction time. The first draw you have your pistol hand on the button on a pole at about hip high. When you remove the hand to draw the clock moved and it times your draw speed minus reaction time.

Although Rod Redwing seldom competed, he did a show on Johnny Carson that was amazing. With a knife in a scabbard on his back, with the handle about shoulder high, and a single action Army Colt on his right hip, he drew the knife, threw it at a blank target, drew the pistol and fired, the knife entered the bullet hole. That's fast.

Rod was a personal friend and taught me much about guns and horses. He was an Oxford graduate, the grandson of the Cherokee Maiden, "Pretty Redwing", a famous song of the 20s and 30's.

Rod was the head of Stembridge Gun Studios, a part of Warner Bros,, and his job was to make sure the weapons used for a film were correct fdr the period the film represented. He also at times appeared in Warner Westerens, as he said, "as the dumb Indian." Dumb he wasn't. He introduced me to Indian charities, helping some remarkable people get an education and health care.

As you might suspect, I tried to duplicate the knife throw and fast draw. I put a steel plate canted 45 degrees under the holster to deflect the occasional firing before it got out of the holster. I estimate I practiced about 1000 rounds overa period of 3 years. I came close, but never did it quite fsst enough. It's a beautiful thing to watch, and he did it consistently. S

So I'll rate Rod Redwing as the best and fastest gun handler I've ever seen r known about.
Jesse

Mobile, AL

#19 Jun 1, 2009
the difference is..the duke had morals to abide by..the man with no name woulda just shot him from behind and been done with it

in other words..the duke is lame and played out..whereas clint eastwood is much better
Danger Dave

La Mirada, CA

#20 Jun 2, 2009
Don't know of any instance that would lead one to believe Clint could be a back-shooter. Though both had/have their deficiencies, the first comment in this section appears accurate.

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