Where's Joan???
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eden

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#1 Apr 6, 2009
Did anyone see Joan on the ACM's?? I didn't see her on the red carpet or in the audience. Either she's still in Nashville or John left her at the hotel.

Is is just me or does it seem incredibly rude and controlling to leave your wife while you party and have a good time??? All for the sake of her "privacy". Is she even allowed in public?? Does he have her under house arrest except to go to his personal bar in Nashville? That's the only place I have heard that people have seen her. She's the invisible wife!

This marriage is a joke. Who acts like that? What kind of woman puts up with it? She must be stupid or desperate, there's no other explanation. And he has ZERO respect for her to treat her like that. As if cheating on her for years wasn't bad enough. There's no way they will last.
Randy

Phoenix, AZ

#2 Apr 6, 2009
I saw her in Vegas with him right after they got married and i have to tell you--she is very unattractive....def looks like a "corn-fed" kinda girl...not sure what he sees in her...
kate

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#3 Apr 6, 2009
Wasn't that for 2 shows he did 4 days after their wedding? Could he be less interested in marriage, or spending time alone with Joan on a honeymoon? I haven't heard if they even had one, and he has been promoting his new album since the wedding. I don't think they did unless it was in Vegas which seems cheap and unromantic compared to other places they could have gone. All he cares about is music and partying. She will always take a backseat to his career.

What do you mean Joan was unattractive and looked corn-fed? I've seen photos of her and she was pretty though old-looking. But she did have VERY large breasts, which I found unattractive. Maybe that's what John sees in her. She kinda looks like a stripper, and we know how John likes strippers. And the fact that she lets him cheat on her and keep her at home while he parties is probably a plus to him.

Did you meet them or just see them around? Did they seem happy and in love?
Randy

Phoenix, AZ

#4 Apr 8, 2009
She was kind of frumpy looking....had huge boobs that sagged down near her belly button and looked like she did not put any hair product on her hair cos it was all frazzled looking. In a million years--i would never put them together. They were gambling together and she was just standing near him. They did not even look like a couple. We were in the ladies room together and trust me--not attactive. But there is more to a relationship than looks...
kate

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#5 Apr 8, 2009
Are you sure it was her?? It could have been someone just standing by him or a friend of his. From photos I have seen, she didn't look frumpy, more top-heavy really, and her face was pretty.

What do you mean they didn't look like a couple? They weren't kissing or holding hands? They were newlyweds! I would expect them to be all over each other.

You would think she would have been dressed up being a former "model" married to a country star and in Vegas. But I guess she didn't like spending her honeymoon in a casino. Maybe she was mad at John about it.

Was John drinking again? Did he look happy to be married?
Randy

Phoenix, AZ

#6 Apr 9, 2009
It was def her. They walked out together and he was waving at fans and she was too. She is very plain Jane looking and like I said--pretty unattractive. No--they were not holding hands or kissing. He was drinking and so was Sabastian Bach who was there. He was ripped actually. JR did not look happy or mad. He was just sitting there gambling. She was not a model --maybe she was a promotions model--ya know for light Bud or something--but that is about it. Anyone can do that.
mary

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#7 Apr 9, 2009
Well if John was acting like that towards his wife I wouldn't be surprised if he was hitting on other girls the whole time. I guess he doesn't even bother pretending around her. The poor girl
will be miserable, but she let's him do it.

Now I kinda feel sorry for John. It looks like his marriage is pretty stale and unromantic. They didn't have to be kissing, but at least they should have looked like happy newlyweds. I guess he gets his romance somwhere else like he did while they were dating. Alot of famous men are like that.

I guess this was a practical marriage for John. I think he was just ready to start a family and have legitimate kids, so he married a girl he's known a long time and who won't interfere in his life. Pretty sad for a guy who seems so passionate about everything. But he is probably really cynical about women, so it makes sense for him to be so detached.

Personally I never believed he loved her even though he married her, because you just don't cheat on someone for years and claim to be single if you love someone. You just don't act the way he has.

And he wouldn't keep her hidden if he was proud of their relationship. I think he doesn't want her to get attention for being his wife. He doesn't want to be used, so he makes sure she doesn't benefit from the marriage. I'm sure he has a great prenup too.
lena

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#8 Apr 9, 2009
Was she fat or just had big boobs? I thought she looked kinda like a stripper, so John would like that. Getting drunk and gambling on his honeymoon...sounds like John Rich. What a jerk!

Joan's website is firstclassmodels.com . You can see her on there as the owner, and I think she's in some of the group pics too, but I'm not sure that it's her (long dark hair and huge boobs: in a pink tank top, and one in a black outfit?? not sure). Those must be old pictures when she was younger and prettier, but still not that great looking (and a little cross eyed).

Alot of the girls are not classy looking, but look cheap and slutty like porn stars. And it's definitely not "real modeling" -- more like promotions, golf tournaments, wet t-shirt contests, and beverage serving, etc. If that's all Joan has ever done, then she has been given too much credit for being a "model".
kylie

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#9 Apr 9, 2009
Randy-

Since you actually saw them in person, do you think they are in love? Did Joan look happy? Was John ignoring her or just busy gambling?

It sounds like John wasn't enjoying having a wife around while in Vegas. I guess he didn't bring her last weekend so he could have fun.

I didn't think she looked fat in pics, just top-heavy. But maybe she was pregnant. On nashvillegab.com there were New Year's pics of them where her dress draped over her stomach like she was around 3-5 months pregnant, not huge but bulging a little.

It would explain the quickie surprise wedding and why he's keeping her hidden. Maybe he doesn't want to admit that he only married her because she's having his baby?? His private life was very public until the wedding, everyone saw him with other women. So maybe he is just being quiet if there is a baby involved, and he doesn't want to explain his womanizing and keeping a secret girlfriend.
Nic

Mio, MI

#10 Apr 13, 2009
I just want to say that Joan Bush appears to be a very attractive lady with a growing career and a new marriage - Everyone should give the poor woman a break - She seems to be a private person by choice, and she doesn't deserve unkind speculation.
carrie

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#11 Apr 13, 2009
What growing career? All she does is recruit girls to serve drinks at parties. That's not so impressive, and I wouldn't call it a career exactly.

Is it unkind to criticize a woman for letting her boyfriend publicly cheat on her for years, and still marry him? Only a very weak-willed or desperate woman would put up with that. Most people would be scornful of a woman like that.

Joan hasn't shown herself to be strong enough to handle John, or even to help him with his alcoholism. She lets him keep her on a very short leash. I have no respect for a woman like that. No matter who she is married to.

And he seems totally underwhelmed by her. Unemotional when he talks about her, and aloof when they are seen together. This ain't no fairy tale love story.
kay

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#12 Apr 13, 2009
People will judge Joan by what they know of John. He has a bad reputation for a reason, and his reputation reflects on Joan. There are lots of red flags if you open your eyes and look.

1. He has been a womanizer for years while they were dating, and EVERYONE knew about it.-- She had to have known. So obviously she let him get away with it.

2. He excludes her from his professional life (events, red carpets)- for HIS privacy he says, it's not her choice.... And if people see them together in public, it won't hurt her, she's a former "model". Being seen is her job, right. People rightly assume he is hiding her.-- How would you feel if your spouse didnít want to be seen publicly with you??? Privacy is at home. In public, your true privacy is not in danger, you are just 2 people out together.

3. He doesn't want her to get any attention and seems to be very controlling and restrictive of her (He is out all over Nashville every night partying, in Vegas and New York, but she has only been seen at his personal bar. Is she allowed out alone or just with him?)-- Most new brides would want to accompany their husbands to celebrate their success WITH them. Why doesn't Joan? Or maybe it's John that doesn't want her with him. How many newlyweds do you know like that?

4. He is still getting drunk, in fights, and sued left and right. Any wife would try to sober up her husband and keep him out of trouble. Where is Joan when he is drunk and getting thrown out of bars? She isn't helping him get his life under control. They've been together 8 years, and he has only gotten worse.

5. And apparently he doesn't treat her like his brand new bride when they are in public from what Randy says above.... Having concerts, drinking, and gambling on their honeymoon, while she just stands by and watches. Not even holding hands. And not even looking happy. John is too passionate about everything to be this aloof. I agree, he is underwhelmed or bored already.
Carrie

Chaska, MN

#13 Apr 18, 2009
Check out GAC's behind the scenes for the Shuttin Detroit Down video. Joan is there right next to JR but you have to watch. Just because he doesn't parade her around by his side constantly doesn't mean she's not around. And right now John has a great new song out that speaks so honestly about what's going on in our world today and that should be the news not his marriage.
lisa

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#14 Apr 19, 2009
She's around when he lets her be around. Otherwise he leaves her at home. He does not keep her by his side, and he doesn't want her to be seen by anyone. I think it was just accidental that the camera caught her. But it makes sense that she would be at that video shoot. It's a big deal for John, and it was done locally in Nashville.
But just because he let her be at his video shoot doesn't mean he has changed his ways. Why wouldn't she be there? It's a controlled environment with no fans, only people they know. I guess John didn't think his privacy would be in danger.

What most people are skeptical about their relationship for is the fact that John was with so many other girls while they were dating. He was a well-known womanizer as recent as a few months before their wedding. I honestly feel sorry for Joan, and she must be the only person in Nashville who doesn't know. His cheating is even documented in court filings found on nashvillegab.com . I don't know why people defend him about it.
If a man is that comfortable cheating on his longtime girlfriend, then he won't have a problem cheating on his wife, especially since she lets him get away with it. And since he often chooses to travel without her, he will have plenty of oppotunities to cheat - which is maybe how he wants it.

Why did John have such a bad reputation for chasing girls while he was dating Joan? It's funny how people have forgotten about it since the wedding. Cheaters don't change just because they get married. I don't think this marriage will last.
kristin

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#15 Apr 21, 2009
Why do people defend this guy and this farce of a relationship?! Everyone knows he's a womanizer and always has been. And wow, she been seen once at his video shoot, big deal. Why wouldn't she be there??
He doesn't have to parade her around. He could be like other fairly normal country singers and take his spouse with him to events and appearances, but he doesn't want her with him as much as he wants his "privacy". What is he hiding? We know they're married. They don't lose privacy by being seen together. His logic makes no sense. His evasiveness and cheating are exactly why people are so skeptical about this marriage.

If Joan doesn't care, she's an idiot, but that's her problem. She's gonna be miserable while John cheats, and parties, and always puts his career before her.

I just can't stand hypocrites. And he is so fake to have these sappy love songs about her on his new album, when we all know he's been cheating on her for years. Who is actually falling for that crap - besides Joan?
Carrie

Chaska, MN

#16 May 5, 2009
Actually there is footage on the web of John in rehearsal for the ACM's and he's wearing his wedding ring and Joan was there. I just wish people would leave him and Joan alone and focus on the music. If you like the man's music then be a fan if you don't then move on. And if you don't have anything nice to say then shut up because I'm tired of seeing this crap everywhere. It's like the old saying goes,'if you don't like what's on tv, then change the channel.'
eden wrote:
Did anyone see Joan on the ACM's?? I didn't see her on the red carpet or in the audience. Either she's still in Nashville or John left her at the hotel.
Is is just me or does it seem incredibly rude and controlling to leave your wife while you party and have a good time??? All for the sake of her "privacy". Is she even allowed in public?? Does he have her under house arrest except to go to his personal bar in Nashville? That's the only place I have heard that people have seen her. She's the invisible wife!
This marriage is a joke. Who acts like that? What kind of woman puts up with it? She must be stupid or desperate, there's no other explanation. And he has ZERO respect for her to treat her like that. As if cheating on her for years wasn't bad enough. There's no way they will last.
meredith

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#17 May 6, 2009
Well Carrie, John has earned his reputation as a womanizer, so you should be able to understand why so many people are skeptical about them. I don't suppose you would be ok with your boyfriend publicly running around on you, right?

But from what is quietly said around Houston, it seems that they had an open relationship. Joan had a fiance, and John was her lover when he came to town. I think that shows that John was never very possesive of her if he was ok with her being with other men. But then he has girlfriends all over the country, so maybe it's a very relaxed arrangement and they let each other have affairs.

Most of the criticism of them is justified, and when you start to realize how distasteful alot of their behavior has been, you tend to forget how talented John is. It's hard to like him as a person, even if you enjoy his music. Nobody is denying his talent - they just disapprove of his behavior and are voicing their opinions.
Carrie

Chaska, MN

#18 May 12, 2009
meredith wrote:
Well Carrie, John has earned his reputation as a womanizer, so you should be able to understand why so many people are skeptical about them. I don't suppose you would be ok with your boyfriend publicly running around on you, right?
But from what is quietly said around Houston, it seems that they had an open relationship. Joan had a fiance, and John was her lover when he came to town. I think that shows that John was never very possesive of her if he was ok with her being with other men. But then he has girlfriends all over the country, so maybe it's a very relaxed arrangement and they let each other have affairs.

Most of the criticism of them is justified, and when you start to realize how distasteful alot of their behavior has been, you tend to forget how talented John is. It's hard to like him as a person, even if you enjoy his music. Nobody is denying his talent - they just disapprove of his behavior and are voicing their opinions.
I certainly don't share your point of view on this subject. And I say unless you have real proof that John and Joan had this open relationship that was so bad I would stop spreading rumors, because that's all it is a rumor. You even say its quietly said, by who and if it's real then why not put it out there. I know why because it's a lie and people are jealous or whatever.

As for John having girlfriends everywhere, who are they, where are they, show me the proof or shut up because again I'm sick of listening to lies. I really think because you obviously don't like John Rich that you should find someone else to lie about and leave this man alone.
meredith

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#19 May 13, 2009
Had you ever heard of John Rich before 2009? If you had, then you would have known that he was widely considered a violent alcoholic and a womanizer. The definition of a womanizer is a man who sleeps with many women and is not faithful to any girl in particular. That was his reputation. I didn't make his reputation. He did.

That is exactly why everyone - including people in the music industry who knew him - were so shocked when he got married. Because whether he had a secret girlfriend or not, they knew he had MANY other girls on the side, and no one would consider that the behavior of a man in love. It was common knowledge, not rumor.

No, I don't know names. That doesn't mean it didn't happen. Until he married Joan he never acknowledged a relationship with anyone, including Joan. So you shouldn't be surprised that names aren't known, though the behavior IS well-known. Rumors are often the story everyone is aware of, not something made up. Real proof, such as photos, aren't exactly handed out to the public. But the people who know the story tell it to others, and it gets spread around. It's called gossip.

If you go to nashvillegab.com , which another poster mentioned above, you will find "proof". The legal documents mention him with multiple women during the time he was supposedly dating his wife - including bringing girls to his hotel room only 2 months before his wedding.

To be honest I used to like John Rich. I think he's extremely talented. But now I think he's a lying, cheating, hypocrite. Most people in Nashville say he's an obnoxious ass. Maybe if his behavior wasn't so sordid people wouldn't want to badmouth him. You assume he's innocent and misunderstood, but then why do so many people say the same things about him? Maybe you should find out his history before you blindly defend him. However I'm totally disillusioned with him.
Carrie

Chaska, MN

#20 May 14, 2009
meredith wrote:
Had you ever heard of John Rich before 2009? If you had, then you would have known that he was widely considered a violent alcoholic and a womanizer. The definition of a womanizer is a man who sleeps with many women and is not faithful to any girl in particular. That was his reputation. I didn't make his reputation. He did.
That is exactly why everyone - including people in the music industry who knew him - were so shocked when he got married. Because whether he had a secret girlfriend or not, they knew he had MANY other girls on the side, and no one would consider that the behavior of a man in love. It was common knowledge, not rumor.

No, I don't know names. That doesn't mean it didn't happen. Until he married Joan he never acknowledged a relationship with anyone, including Joan. So you shouldn't be surprised that names aren't known, though the behavior IS well-known. Rumors are often the story everyone is aware of, not something made up. Real proof, such as photos, aren't exactly handed out to the public. But the people who know the story tell it to others, and it gets spread around. It's called gossip.
If you go to nashvillegab.com , which another poster mentioned above, you will find "proof". The legal documents mention him with multiple women during the time he was supposedly dating his wife - including bringing girls to his hotel room only 2 months before his wedding.
To be honest I used to like John Rich. I think he's extremely talented. But now I think he's a lying, cheating, hypocrite. Most people in Nashville say he's an obnoxious ass. Maybe if his behavior wasn't so sordid people wouldn't want to badmouth him. You assume he's innocent and misunderstood, but then why do so many people say the same things about him? Maybe you should find out his history before you blindly defend him. However I'm totally disillusioned with him.
First off yes I've heard of John Rich before 2009 because I've been a fan of his since his Lone Star days. Secondly, you said it yourself it's gossip so that's not fact.. You know what, believe what you want I don't share your thoughts and I'm not wasting my time trying to get you to see he's not the guy you think he is. And you know what else, even if he was this guy I'd still like him because I admire his musical talent. What he does in his private life is his business and only God can judge us.

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