What's The Point?

What's The Point?

There are 27 comments on the Hartford Courant story from Apr 17, 2008, titled What's The Point?. In it, Hartford Courant reports that:

James Carville, an unpaid adviser to Hillary Clinton , is author of one of the most famous stereotypes about Pennsylvania and its small-town, largely white working class.

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Ron

Woodland Hills, CA

#1 Apr 17, 2008
What we witnessed last night was not a debate, It was an ambush.Was last night's debate supposed to be a joke or did it just turn out that way because of the incompetent moderators ? Charlie Gibson and George ( can't enough of those good years that I worked for the Clintons ) Stephanoupoulos. Did anybody notice that Chelsea had her own lighting to try and make her look good and even a soft filter in front of the lens....Do you think that maybe she had her own camera devoted to only her close ups ?How can McCain possibly lose this election. He has such a commanding grasp of economical issues . His way to fix the problem of soaring gas prices is " Let's give the people a tax holiday." I am afraid that it is John McCain who needs a holiday
Kulturkampf

Howell, NJ

#2 Apr 17, 2008
Sotp clinging to those g******ed guns and that g********ed religion! g*****it!!!!
melZ

Manhattan Beach, CA

#3 Apr 17, 2008
Should the questions journalists ask the candidates cover their differences in issues? YES!
I know that name-calling and cherry-picking controversial things from competing candidates has been around forever. This has been the way of politics since the beginning of our nation.
It would be nice though to have thought that we were a bit past some of the nastiness. However, we obviously have not evolved to that level.
It seems that some journalists and talk-show hosts get a great catharsis by stirring up the masses to get to hating.
I wonder if the human race will always be so angry.
david

United States

#4 Apr 17, 2008
its not about being from the elite, its about being ELITIST.

if you think that the average american is a dope then you are an elitist. FDR didn't think that the average american is a dope. obama does. that's the difference.
Blah Blah Blah

United States

#5 Apr 17, 2008
"We all know about the research that says Americans' votes are based on who they like or least dislike, not on whether they agree with the candidate on issues."

Someone or some group actually wasted time and money to research something so glaringly obvious?

One only has to look back at Minnesota's gubernatorial race of 1998 when they elected WWF "star" Jesse "The Body" Ventura.

What's the point, indeed.
Blah Blah Blah

United States

#6 Apr 17, 2008
david wrote:
its not about being from the elite, its about being ELITIST.
if you think that the average american is a dope then you are an elitist. FDR didn't think that the average american is a dope. obama does. that's the difference.
Sorry to say, I believe Obama may be on the right track. If the majority of posts on these nationwide Topix boards is any indication, we're in a world of hurt.
Shirley

Pompano Beach, FL

#9 Apr 17, 2008
When I listen to all the mean-spirited, lying, malicious, unethical, and downright evil individuals on TV commenting on the presidential candidates, it makes me sad about the future of the U.S. I do believe that God's purpose will be fulfilled - and His purpose doesn't seem to be the improvement of the status quo. One lesson history has taught us is that civilizations are dynamic - they rise and fall. Are we facing our downfall?
say WHAT

Suffolk, VA

#10 Apr 17, 2008
Blah Blah Blah wrote:
<quoted text>
Sorry to say, I believe Obama may be on the right track. If the majority of posts on these nationwide Topix boards is any indication, we're in a world of hurt.
Blah Blah Blah, you have figured it out. All anyone has to do is look at these comments on Topix and see all of the bitterness, anti-immagration sentiment and anger to realize that what Obama said was SPOT ON. People don't want to admit it, because the truth hurts. A lot of US citizens want to spew anger towards others that don't look like us, worship like us, or speak like us, and then go to church on Sunday to try to clean it all up. DOESN'T WORK THAT WAY FOLKS !!!
Holyoke Dave

Natick, MA

#11 Apr 17, 2008
Dear jacksmith,

You need to go on a word diet. Or are they paying you by the word? Sheesh...

I'm not an idiot, and I supported Bill Clinton when he was president (he was "The Best President Money Could Buy"), but Barack's got Hillary beat fair and square and he'll crush McCain in November. I just hope the counter-revolution doesn't respond violently as they are wont to do when this all happens.

When you say "If Obama is the democratic nominee for the national election in November he will be slaughtered.", I feel a sense of dread that reminds me of Senators Wellstone and Carnahan... and Kennedy.

Obama has connected with the voting public in a profound and powerful way. Clinton, sadly for her, doesn't even come close. Again, I hope for the best yet legitimately fear real or threatened violence. 1968 was not so long ago, and Wellstone's plane crashed in 2002, 11 days before he would have been re-elected.

God bless America and may he bless and protect ALL the candidates.

Keep this in mind please when you use terms like "slaughtered".

Thank you.
Torre

East Haven, CT

#12 Apr 18, 2008
The lies Hillaary tells have built a mountain. Can't believe ehe ever tells the truth. Obama on teh other hand has no exeprience and just his association with the whacko minister is enough to turn me off
Lil Em-Kel

Orlando, FL

#13 Apr 18, 2008
From the editorial:

"At Wednesday's Democratic debate, far too much time was devoted to quibbling over Mr. Obama's "bitter" quote, how often he wears a flag pin, how close he is to a Chicago man who was in the radical Weather Underground when Mr. Obama was 8 years old, and more questions about Mrs. Clinton's misstatements about sniper fire in Bosnia. It was a boring broken record."

The sad fact is that this is pretty much all that the candidates have given us to talk about.
vmax944

United States

#14 Apr 18, 2008
Words do matter, Obama's longtime association with Rev. Wright and various and sundry other radicals should be an issue.A person's history is often a good indicator of what he values and of how he will comport himself.Once again democrats have fallen in love with a canidate that will be unelectible by november.
No More Lies

United States

#15 Apr 18, 2008
So top Clinton adviser Carville said,
"It's Pittsburgh in the west, Philadelphia in the east and Alabama in between."

Bill Clinton said,
"economically insecure white people who are scared to death."

And Hillary, the famous Bosnian fabricator accuses Barack Obama of being "elitist"???

Give us a break ABC and the Clinton Gang. Try looking in a mirror.
Mary H

Ludlow, MA

#16 Apr 18, 2008
From the CBS News Website:

"It was at the Chicago home of Ayers and Dohrn that Obama, then an up-and-coming “community organizer,” had his political coming out party in 1995."

"Barack Obama made a joint appearance with Bill Ayers in 1997 at a University of Chicago panel on the outrage of treating juvenile criminals as if they were, well, criminals. Obama apologists say,“So what? People appear with other people all the time.” Nice try. This panel was orchestrated by none other than Michelle Obama, then an Associate Dean of Student Services. Ayers didn’t happen to be there -- he was invited by the Obamas to educate students on the question before the house:“Should a Child Ever Be Called a ‘Super Predator?’”

I also find Obama's association with the Woods Foundation troubling - some basic research raises several questions about the foundation's ethics and grants to questionable groups.
Mary H

Ludlow, MA

#17 Apr 18, 2008
Ron wrote:
What we witnessed last night was not a debate, It was an ambush.Was last night's debate supposed to be a joke or did it just turn out that way because of the incompetent moderators ? Charlie Gibson and George ( can't enough of those good years that I worked for the Clintons ) Stephanoupoulos. Did anybody notice that Chelsea had her own lighting to try and make her look good and even a soft filter in front of the lens....Do you think that maybe she had her own camera devoted to only her close ups ?How can McCain possibly lose this election. He has such a commanding grasp of economical issues . His way to fix the problem of soaring gas prices is " Let's give the people a tax holiday." I am afraid that it is John McCain who needs a holiday
If Obama wants to be President, he needs to answer these questions. The reason they are "tough" is that he HAS no good answers - otherwise he would welcome the opportunity to respond as frequently as necessary to allay the public's concerns. His free pass from the press has expired and the honeymoon is over.

Obama's responses to questions on the economy were an embarassment.

Are you suggesting that Obama should not be held accountable to the American voters for his controversial statements, associations and stand on the issues?

This is the first time the press has done its job with Obama - and it made him squirm.

And that had nothing to do with the lighting on Chelsea - it had to do with the light shining on the real Obama.
first lady BILL

United States

#18 Apr 18, 2008
Do you agree with me that it was the right thing to do when I pardoned 2 of Ayers partners?

Good, I'm glad to know that Hillbilly's supporters can't read between the lines, because if they could; they would see the dead, in jail, and newly charged criminals that we have had partnerships and dealings with..........

..........that reminds me, I need to call my good buddy Frank Giustra, I sure do owe him a favor or two!

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/01/31/us/politics...

......you see, if the American public got the whole picture; they would see, that me and my business partner wife are actually very similar to the Bush/ Cheney's as far as our "business dealings" go, the only difference is when we are in office we raise taxes for the wealthy and distribute them more fairly to the poor. Hill's promises of universal healthcare will never get through the house and senate, none of the republicans will help to pass ANY of Hill's plans. It's just another pandering lie for all of you less intelligent people to buy into, so you'll vote for us!

..........I hope all of this works out, so I can hire interns for Hill, and conduct 'whale tail' thong inspections, and I might even get to play secretary with another cigar!

..........Who knows~
JBC

Greenfield, MA

#19 Apr 18, 2008
Regardless of what was said last night. Regardless of who "won this sham of a debate". It is more than evident that the democrat party is in ruins because of its kidnapping by the left-lunatic fringe, and the support of it's "leaders" - Teddy, Pelosi, Reid, Shapton, Barney Franks, Dean, Gore, Byrd, Jesse, Al Francken, for God's sake, and on and on and on.

A couple hours on name-calling. Similar to the distractions Slick Willie had while smokin' in the Oval Office, and got nothing else done.

I would be embarassed to be a democrat today.
Linda Pepitu

United States

#20 Apr 19, 2008
Hillary will never ever be president. Linda Pepitu just said so and thus it shall be.
Linda Pepitu

United States

#21 Apr 19, 2008
jacksmith wrote:
DON'T BE DUPED !!!
Large numbers of Republicans have been voting for Barack Obama in the DEMOCRATIC primaries, and caucuses from early on. Because they feel he would be a weaker opponent against John McCain. With Hillary Clinton you are almost 100% certain to get quality, affordable universal health care very soon.
But first, all of you have to make certain that Hillary Clinton takes the democratic nomination and then the Whitehouse. NOW! is the time. THIS! is the moment you have all been working, and waiting for. You can do this America.“Carpe diem”(harvest the day).
I think Hillary Clinton see’s a beautiful world of plenty for all. She’s a woman, and a mother. And it’s time America. Do this for your-selves, and your children’s future. You will have to work together on this and be aggressive, relentless, and creative. Americans face an even worse catastrophe ahead than the one you are living through now.
You see, the medical and insurance industry mostly support the republicans with the money they ripped off from you. And they don’t want you to have quality, affordable universal health care. They want to be able to continue to rip you off, and kill you and your children by continuing to deny you life saving medical care that you have already paid for. So they can continue to make more immoral profits for them-selves.
Hillary Clinton has actually won by much larger margins than the vote totals showed. And lost by much smaller vote margins than the vote totals showed. Her delegate count is actually much higher than it shows. And higher than Obama’s. She also leads in the electoral college numbers that you must win to become President in the November national election. HILLARY CLINTON IS ALREADY THE TRUE DEMOCRATIC NOMINEE!
As much as 30% of Obama's primary, and caucus votes are Republicans trying to choose the weakest democratic candidate for McCain to run against. These Republicans have been gaming the caucuses where it is easier to vote cheat. This is why Obama has not been able to win the BIG! states primaries. Even with Republican vote cheating help.
Hillary Clinton has been OUT MANNED! OUT GUNNED! and OUT SPENT! 4 and 5 to 1. Yet Obama has only been able to manage a very tenuous, and questionable tie with Hillary Clinton.
If Obama is the democratic nominee for the national election in November he will be slaughtered. Because the Republican vote cheating help will suddenly evaporate. All of this vote fraud and republican manipulation has made Obama falsely look like a much stronger candidate than he really is. YOUNG PEOPLE. DON’T BE DUPED! Think about it. You have the most to lose.
The democratic party needs to fix this outrage. Everyone needs to throw all your support to Hillary Clinton NOW! So you can end this outrage against YOU the voter, and against democracy.
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i could go point by point, but i think it's clear to any half-wit that this is a gigantic load of bs. hillary supporters have to be delusional, have terrible judgement of character or have some kind of screw loose to support such a transparently phony, corrupt, sinister and completely self-absorbed lowlife. the clintons are nothing but a pair of crooked, mediocre lawyers from arkansas (and bill is a serial sex offender). the fact that so many americans can be duped by them is a just pathetic.

hillary will never be president.
Mallard

New Milford, CT

#22 Apr 19, 2008
I never thought I would see someone make Hillary look good.

If Obama can't handle some softball questions then he will not be able to deal with John McCain and is not prepared to handle the stress of being President. Sorry people but they were softball questions. Nothing new that he hasn't had months to prepare answers for.

As a conservative I couldn't ask for anything better than this spat but I really have to ask just who is Senator Obama? Is he the all inclusive candidate who wants to move past race and focus on solving problems like he used to claim to be?. Or is he just another champagne socialist bitter at the country and the system that enabled him to achieve so much? And the whole Reverend Wright issue would be laughable if a possibe President didn't claim him as his personal advisor.

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