Hatred against Juggalos
troy luginbill

United States

#23 Dec 13, 2008
Krazy K
2 examples:

1. A christian guy commits a heinous crime. People scream that all white guys suck. What happens?
The white guy goes to jail. Other christian guys then attempt to make some form of restitution to the community because even though they did not condone or commit the crime the other guys understand that to keep from being stereotyped the people around them need to see the opposite of the stereotype. The next time someone says: "christian guys are criminals" someone in the crowd says "not all of them are". I can guarantee you that the way the other christian guys changed people's minds was through action-not posting on some forum somewhere, not listening to music, not attending a concert.

2. A Juggalo commits a crime. It isn't even a bad crime, it is simply some small felony. The community says Juggalos are a gang and are bad. The juggalo family rises up on forums and screams "that guy is not a juggalo he is a juggaho!". "Why are you all hating us?", "You people don't know shit, we is a family.", "I would kill for my family, and lots of bad people deserve to die. Why? Cause ICP said so." Then....what? Nothing. You do nothing other than go listen to ICP, sulk, drink faygo, smoke a little weed, go to a concert and sulk some more because people don't understand you. Nothing positive has been done to offset the negative representation of your family to outside communities. So the next time someone says "Juggalos suck", everyone in the room says yes. Why? Not because you all are bad people that WILL commit a crime. But YOU ARE all people that obviously do not care about the victims of crime. YOU do nothing to help. And in our society, that is just as bad as committing a crime because it is condoning a crime. Thus in everyones mind you are accessories to crime and are criminals. If you want to change our minds then go do something other than sulk, listen to music and drink pop.
Krazy K

Tucson, AZ

#24 Dec 14, 2008
troy luginbill wrote:
Krazy K
2 examples:
1. A christian guy commits a heinous crime. People scream that all white guys suck. What happens?
The white guy goes to jail. Other christian guys then attempt to make some form of restitution to the community because even though they did not condone or commit the crime the other guys understand that to keep from being stereotyped the people around them need to see the opposite of the stereotype. The next time someone says: "christian guys are criminals" someone in the crowd says "not all of them are". I can guarantee you that the way the other christian guys changed people's minds was through action-not posting on some forum somewhere, not listening to music, not attending a concert.
2. A Juggalo commits a crime. It isn't even a bad crime, it is simply some small felony. The community says Juggalos are a gang and are bad. The juggalo family rises up on forums and screams "that guy is not a juggalo he is a juggaho!". "Why are you all hating us?", "You people don't know shit, we is a family.", "I would kill for my family, and lots of bad people deserve to die. Why? Cause ICP said so." Then....what? Nothing. You do nothing other than go listen to ICP, sulk, drink faygo, smoke a little weed, go to a concert and sulk some more because people don't understand you. Nothing positive has been done to offset the negative representation of your family to outside communities. So the next time someone says "Juggalos suck", everyone in the room says yes. Why? Not because you all are bad people that WILL commit a crime. But YOU ARE all people that obviously do not care about the victims of crime. YOU do nothing to help. And in our society, that is just as bad as committing a crime because it is condoning a crime. Thus in everyones mind you are accessories to crime and are criminals. If you want to change our minds then go do something other than sulk, listen to music and drink pop.
I do understand what you are saying. but that's alot easier said than done. People have been shunning us even before we were juggalos. That's why alot of us don't care what you think. the only thing that gets me is you're sitting here talkin to me, and I don't know if you can tell. but i'm not a bad person. I know quite a few decent juggalos. It just irritates me that you all are judging us just because of a few people that could just be saying their juggalos to make everyone hate us. I mean any one can put on an icp shirt and say "oh i'm a juggalo. I do anything for fam" and then go do some stupid ass shit.

I do understand that we need to start standing up for ourselves, and we have tried, the gatherings are open to any one. violent j has had multiple seminars and they all state what being a juggalo is about. not only do we have to make an attempt. But every one that decides to judge us right away should make an attempt to see what were really about.
troy luginbill

Dravosburg, PA

#25 Dec 14, 2008
Krazy K.

I get that you've been shunned. I couldn't ask the girl of my dreams out on a date in high school because I wore glasses. I got in lots of fights because I was told I could or could not do certain things because of how I looked. What did I do? Everytime someone stereotyped me I did not go to a nerd fest and complain (they were open to everyone too.) I went out to places where everyone gathered and did things that made me look positive in there eyes. I helped. And then one day when I was standing up to the class bullies a preppy and a stoner stood next to me. It was a weird kind of breakfast club moment but at that point I realized my allies did not lie in the people that were like me. They lay in the people that could have cared less about me. To change the Juggalo world don't go to a Juggalo deal, get a couple of other juggalos and go to a food drive, or help with habitat for humanity. When people ask you why you are there you tell them because you are a Juggalo and that doing good is what Juggalos do. Some will look at you funny sure, but they will not be able to deny that you are showing them politness and help. Actions speak louder than words and no action screams.
Charles

Bonne Terre, MO

#26 Dec 15, 2008
Krazy K wrote:
<quoted text>
for one kottonmouth kings have there own record company called suburban noize and there from cali. And ICP just gave us a way to think because you stupid ass bigots shunned us out like we were white trash. so we turned to a family that likes us for us. You can't change this country so stop acting like you can. We have a freedom of speech and expression. We are no different than the so called "christianity" religion. We all believe in god, and wether we are going to hell or heaven.
Wow, you think just because a label is based in California they have the right to exploit the culture of many? Just because you live in a place where high quality cannabis is easy to come by, doesn't mean you have the right to label yourself part of the cannabis culture. And if being shut out from your peers immediately leads you onto a life of bad dressing and violence three quarters of the nation would be like you people. Besides, I don't believe I've come across any word that comes closer to what your "family" could be called than "white trash".
"Christianity" derives from the word "Christ" and follows the teaching of Jesus, it's not a religion it's a base for many religions. I don't think Jesus ever taught anything about murder and following a crude way of life. It has nothing to do with believing in god. So next time you try to make a point get your facts straight.
Oh, and if you decide to reply to my statements again, work on your grammar and sentence structure a bit more. I counted ten upon reading your response. Stop sucking off your hatchet and go to school. ICP doesn't give a fuck about you or the "family" all they want is your mommy and daddy's pocket change.
Krazy K

Tucson, AZ

#27 Dec 16, 2008
Charles wrote:
<quoted text>
Wow, you think just because a label is based in California they have the right to exploit the culture of many? Just because you live in a place where high quality cannabis is easy to come by, doesn't mean you have the right to label yourself part of the cannabis culture. And if being shut out from your peers immediately leads you onto a life of bad dressing and violence three quarters of the nation would be like you people. Besides, I don't believe I've come across any word that comes closer to what your "family" could be called than "white trash".
"Christianity" derives from the word "Christ" and follows the teaching of Jesus, it's not a religion it's a base for many religions. I don't think Jesus ever taught anything about murder and following a crude way of life. It has nothing to do with believing in god. So next time you try to make a point get your facts straight.
Oh, and if you decide to reply to my statements again, work on your grammar and sentence structure a bit more. I counted ten upon reading your response. Stop sucking off your hatchet and go to school. ICP doesn't give a fuck about you or the "family" all they want is your mommy and daddy's pocket change.
for one, if you actually listened to the lyrics, icp follows god, each joker card has a way of representing god. And being a juggalo has made me part of a family. I'm more welcome as a juggalo than you bigots have ever made me feel. As far as my typing, i'm on a god da** computer, I don't care about sentence structure. I went to school, my best subject was writing, I know how to write but because I'm a fu**in computer, I don't give a f**k what you think.
troy luginbill

Dravosburg, PA

#28 Dec 16, 2008
Krazy K,

I've listened to your arguments on many threads here and all I see is someone who doesn't want to take responsibility for their own life and then gets mad when someone else fucks it up for them.

Time to step up and start making your own decisions. How would you know if ICP really wanted the Juggalos to succeed? They would give you all free records of their next release. If it is truly about god and Joe and Joey wanting you to succeed and reach shagri la then they should have no problem by now just supplying you with the message. I am sure they have made more than enough money to support a comfortable lifestyle.

I would love to hear ICPs response to the idea of giving away their records to their followers. My money is that they would laugh and spray faygo on you and call you all faggots.

And to test this particular piece out go to your local church and ask them for a free bible. I bet you get one. Go to your local buddhist temple and ask them for a copy of the sutras. I bet you get one. Go to the local mosque and ask them for a copy of the quran. I bet you get one.
XxTwIzTiD JuGgAlEtTexX

Albuquerque, NM

#29 Dec 21, 2008
hell yeah juggalos we gotta stay together and watch each and every juggalo homie cuz they all we got and those haters are hatin for no reason. at first they act as they are juggalos too and they will try and murder our asses but fuck that cuz WE DONT EVER DIE ALONE! all i want to say is watch your backs juggalos cuz u never know what kind of crazy hater will be around. whoop whoop!! mmfwcl!!
XxTwIzTiD JuGgAlEtTexX

Albuquerque, NM

#30 Dec 21, 2008
stay together juggalos!! watch our backs and fellow homies backs too cuz there r haters who would start shit. WE DONT EVER DIE ALONE!!! whoop whoop!!!!! mmfwcl!!!
troy luginbill

Dravosburg, PA

#31 Dec 21, 2008
xxtwixtid, This is your reply? This is the defense of your values?

Is dying alone really what you are afraid of? This is the basis of the Juggalo community? You guys are afraid of dying? Dying alone? Not being remembered? Not having anyone at your funeral? Not ever having amounted to anything?

Posting like this on the internet will not solve that problem. Listening to ICP will not solve that problem. If you want to have 1,000 people at your funeral then you need to get out and positively affect 1,000 peoples lives.

The simple fact of the matter is. No one cares about you unless you do something for them. They have to be given an excuse to respect you. And listening to ICP, calling yourself a juggalo, going to a gathering and posting MMFWCL on the internet will not acheive anything.

If you are afraid then get out there and confront your fear. It will eat you otherwise. It will eat you from within, digest you and make you into a pile of your own shit.
Charles

Cape Girardeau, MO

#32 Dec 28, 2008
I find it quite humorous that none of the juggalos can even stand up and reply to our posts anymore. They know they're a joke, the only person that did reply keeps running around in circles, and is obviously a damn moron. You all know your giving to something that doesn't give two shits about you so get jobs, get out of daddy's house, and maybe make the extra effort to make those friends that you thought would never accept you.
Good luck to the confused fans, but fuck the band.
Krazy K

Tucson, AZ

#33 Jan 10, 2009
Charles wrote:
I find it quite humorous that none of the juggalos can even stand up and reply to our posts anymore. They know they're a joke, the only person that did reply keeps running around in circles, and is obviously a damn moron. You all know your giving to something that doesn't give two shits about you so get jobs, get out of daddy's house, and maybe make the extra effort to make those friends that you thought would never accept you.
Good luck to the confused fans, but fuck the band.
so am I the moron you keep talkin about? I have made something out of my life, i'm going to college, I work and I'm just turning 18 and have not lived with my "daddy" for a while. And for one, I am not afraid of dying let alone dying alone. I've got all the love I need.
troy luginbill

Dravosburg, PA

#34 Jan 11, 2009
Krazy K

Glad to hear it. In your specific case I have heard you say that there is nothing you can do because you live in a small town in the middle of nowhere.

Now that you are making something of your life, what are you going to make of the Juggalos?

If nothing then, can't really say you believe much in your philosophy of life. If you Juggalos have life so good then why don't you want to share it?

Are you selfish or are you just lying to yourselves?
CiciexXxjuggalet te_4_lyfe

Richardson, TX

#35 Jan 12, 2009
juggalos must die wrote:
icp is a no talent bunch of queers
oh you wanna say that again you f-ing b!tch @ss hoe?!?!?
troy luginbill

Dravosburg, PA

#36 Jan 14, 2009
cicie

Heres a point for you. Ignore the haters and they will go away. You make no points in defense of Juggaloness when you respond to hacks like Juggalos must die. The argument isn't who likes ICP and who doesn't the argument is about why you, as a Juggalo, are condoning rape, murder, arson, and theft.
Krazy K

Tucson, AZ

#37 Jan 18, 2009
troy luginbill wrote:
Krazy K
Glad to hear it. In your specific case I have heard you say that there is nothing you can do because you live in a small town in the middle of nowhere.
Now that you are making something of your life, what are you going to make of the Juggalos?
If nothing then, can't really say you believe much in your philosophy of life. If you Juggalos have life so good then why don't you want to share it?
Are you selfish or are you just lying to yourselves?
we dont' have it good, I'm busting my ass just to survive right now. Never once did I say I have it good.
I C Princess

Sun Prairie, WI

#38 Jan 20, 2009
Charles wrote:
The band and the culture is a disgrace to modern society. ICP has manipulated a large number of our teenagers across the United States into bad dressing and violence. African Americans hate the group because of its rap imitation. Caucasians hate it for multiple reasons, mine personally being against the Kottonmouth Kings for shedding a bad light on cannabis culture. Our culture has never condoned violence, and all the Kottonmouth Kings have done is used the medicine as a rouse to make their own wallets fatter. You've all been brainwashed into this way of life just to make an untalented group of people who you'll never hear from in your life rich. Get some clothes with color, get jobs, listen to real music that you like and not what everyone around you likes. You all make myself and the rest of America fucking sick.

all i have to say is that the kottonmouth kings have nothing to do with violance! if a kid wants to go do dumb shyt it aint cuz the kottonmouth kings told them too. and if they did...its that kidds dumbass that isnt smart enough to not do it. so fukk all these haters! ya'll dont know shyt!
troy luginbill

Dravosburg, PA

#39 Jan 20, 2009
Krazy K, my mistake. I thought that going to college, having a job and being engaged were good things. Generally what most people think of as making something of your life. But I guess Juggalos must think that is backwards, that a good life is unemployment, homelessness, abuse, crime, lack of education and most importantly no one but your "family" to love you.

Thank the gods you guys have each other, you have turned your backs on everything and everyone else. But then again that is what you wanted. It justifies you not having to do anything for anyone. It justifies you not having to actually feel good in life.

Why is it that you are all so afraid to be happy. Jokers smile described being a Juggalo as an anarchistic denial of the madness of chaos. You should listen to him. That is better than the nihilism you all seem to crave. You want the world to devour you, because in your twisted world it somehow proves you right. How has failing ever made anyone right?
Krazy K

Tucson, AZ

#40 Jan 21, 2009
troy luginbill wrote:
Krazy K, my mistake. I thought that going to college, having a job and being engaged were good things. Generally what most people think of as making something of your life. But I guess Juggalos must think that is backwards, that a good life is unemployment, homelessness, abuse, crime, lack of education and most importantly no one but your "family" to love you.
Thank the gods you guys have each other, you have turned your backs on everything and everyone else. But then again that is what you wanted. It justifies you not having to do anything for anyone. It justifies you not having to actually feel good in life.
Why is it that you are all so afraid to be happy. Jokers smile described being a Juggalo as an anarchistic denial of the madness of chaos. You should listen to him. That is better than the nihilism you all seem to crave. You want the world to devour you, because in your twisted world it somehow proves you right. How has failing ever made anyone right?
No see, I am happy that I'm engaged, but busting my ass to only get 13 hours a week so that I can barely live is what pisses me off.
And don't tell me to look for another job, there is no where, MI has the highest percentage rate for unemployement right now.

all this time, I have not been trying to prove anything right, I am just saying that, you sit here and say we have to do this and that to make ourselves look better, but what has any one done to get to know us. You admitted that you fear for your life when a juggalo is around, but have you taken the time to get know other los, as far as I know I have not said anything disrespectful to you or any one that is not in agreement with us. I have kept my cool for the past few months. So please all I ask is stop stereo typing us when I have not stereo typed you or any one else.
troy luginbill

Dravosburg, PA

#41 Jan 21, 2009
Krazy K,

I am glad to hear that the only thing making life difficult right now is work. I understand that. You will have an even greater difficulty when you have a career that you hate and love at the same time.

You ask what has anyone done to get to know you? You are right, 99% of the people out there have done nothing. Nor do they want to. If they come complain at me about being ignorant about other than Juggalos then I will have very little sympathy for them as well.

You ask what have I done? I have been skulking around these boards arguing with Juggalos for about 4 months now. I truly am trying to understand, but of the 4 dozen or so Juggalos that have posted (and 4 dozen or so haters) I have only really been answered with any level of intelligence and effort by 3 Juggalos. You, jokerssmile and Emmybodykilla. Of you 3 only Jokerssmile has made a concentrated effort to help me to understand and I hope in turn for me to help him clarify what Juggalos really are. The remaining posts beyond the three of you have ranged from useless to pointless to out right threatening. This is an overwhelming voice that says to me, the best of you are few and far between, the most of you are pretty lost or spouting rhetoric, and that some of you (unfortunately more than the best of you) are violent and want to do something with that violence. From a statistical average that says to me that to find any redeeming value among Juggalos I have to look pretty hard.

Yet I have looked, and I have stayed, and I have said some very hard things to many of you and I hope challenged you. Why? Because in and amongst the lost, the violent, the naive, the haters and the users, I have found 3 Juggalos that very much believe in themselves and their family and have found something of value among ICPs music that has encouraged them to take responsibility for their lives and to try to make something better from them instead of wallowing in the violent faygo scenery of the carnival.

So I don't feel I have stereotyped, I feel I have evaluated, and I have found some silver lining in the dark cloud that is Juggalos. Will I trust a Juggalo any time I meet one? No. That would be stupid on my part. Would I trust a blood or a reformed blood any time I meet one? No. Although there are some bloods out there right now working very hard to wash away their own gang affiliation, often at the loss of their life. Would I trust you, emmybodykilla or jokes smile? Probably, at least I wouldn't be afraid of you three.

What I ask of you is to use what has been given to you: intelligence, the ability to communicate in a thoughtful manner, politeness, and a desire to make something of the dreams you have. You can do this for you only, which is fine by me, or you can do this for Juggalos as well, which is also fine by me. But don't, please don't, succeed in realizing your dreams and let your "family" take credit for your hard work. Don't have a great marriage, kids, education, and life and think that you did that because you were a Juggalo. joe and joey don't have that kind of power, the jokers cards don't, the lyrics from a song on an album don't. Only you do. Don't defend those that have kept you down on purpose or accident, even if they are your parents, siblings, or friends.

The hardest lessons in life to learn are the ones that reveal that stereotyping is a necessary survival trait, that overcoming stereotyping has not actually been done although many think they have. These lessons illustrate that to live you must sometimes do the wrong thing. To help others live you can only do the right. But how can do the right thing when you are dead? The one lesson that every martyr has learned is simple. When you can't correct what people think you said you will be misquoted.
lorixluantic

Jasper, GA

#42 Jan 27, 2009
Krazy K wrote:
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for one kottonmouth kings have there own record company called suburban noize and there from cali. And ICP just gave us a way to think because you stupid ass bigots shunned us out like we were white trash. so we turned to a family that likes us for us. You can't change this country so stop acting like you can. We have a freedom of speech and expression. We are no different than the so called "christianity" religion. We all believe in god, and wether we are going to hell or heaven.
SERIOUSLY NOT ONLY JUGGALO/JUGGALETTES DRESS IN BLACK and its the music we like not what you like
we listen to wht the f*** we want
and the way your attacking people for what they listen to and wear is really lame and shows your ignorance we could prob do the same to you
it sop stupid how your threatened by a little difference so back the f*** off you don't know s*** about what your talking about

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