'Red line' US says Syria used chemical weapons

Apr 25, 2013 Full story: KFVS12 84

U.S. intelligence has concluded with "varying degrees of confidence," that the Syrian government has twice used chemical weapons in its fierce civil war, the White House and other top administration officials said Thursday.

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Protect Yourself

Watertown, NY

#44 Apr 26, 2013
Fa-Foxy wrote:
<quoted text>
A "no-fly" zone over Syria would probably be illegal. And what good would it do anyway ? It certainly would not stop the use of chemical weapons, or other WMD's delivered by artillery, or by means other than aircraft.
Apparently "NEVER AGAIN" actually means "Well, sometimes".
And whats that useless organization called the "U.N." doing ?! Wasn't the main purpose of the establishment of the U.N. to prevent this sort of thing ?
A no fly zone would be the first step. Syria would be prevented from air dropping chemical munitions.

Using the no fly zone, we can monitor troop movements and alert rebel forces.

Now it's just unsure if we will treat it like Libya and destroy land based launchers or like Iraq after the first war where we just flew patrols.

I still think they should just have Russia take the chem warheads out of Syria instead.

If we are going to help the rebels,then we should do much more. Personally I think we lost our moment and should have stepped in before Alqueda did.
check it out

Sydney, Australia

#45 Apr 26, 2013
Mykro wrote:
<quoted text>So you found those Iraqi WMDs?
Many of the same bloggists were saying "prove that North Korea is developing a nuclear weapons capability". Then, guess what? NK now has the capability. The bloggists knew the NK were developing WMD all along. They just wanted NK to have that capability.
Now they want you to believe that all Syrian opposition members are evil head hacking, raping muderers and need to die immediately, lest Assad should fall.
They openly support his massacres, his destruction of Syria. They have put their all into supporting Assad and so, are depeserate to convey to the world how bad his opposition are.
bottlecap

Orlando, FL

#46 Apr 26, 2013
Mykro wrote:
<quoted text>The only maniac is you. If you're so concerned about what happens in Syria, get your own ass over there. We have no business in Syria or anywhere else in Sandland. Go find those Iraqi WMDs first.
Agreed!
bottlecap

Orlando, FL

#47 Apr 26, 2013
FormerParatrooper wrote:
<quoted text>
POTUS stated it was a red line if Assad used chemical weapons, is he a maniac? Or maybe the maniac is the one using Sarin gas? Sarin and cyclosarin are nasty ways to be injured or to die from.
Do we have any business to help those in need? Don't forget, no matter where things happen from earthquakes to tsunami, we are the first to offer assistance. We even sent food aid to the USSR, North Korea and anyone else who asked. Should we stop these things as well?
The "rebels" are led by Al Qaeda and the Muslim Brotherhood.

Look at the disastor in Libya. Black-Africans being slaughterd by the rascist muslim rebels, our Ambassador dead and Al Qaeda gaining strength in North Africa.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-1...

In a video message, Ayman al-Zawahiri said the Syrian rebels had the right to use whatever means they saw fit to get rid of a "cancerous regime".

Egyptian-born Zawahiri, 62, took over as head of al-Qaeda after the death of Osama Bin Laden in May 2011.

The Syrian government blamed al-Qaeda for two blasts in Damascus in December.

That double suicide bombing killed 44 people.
==========

"Earhquakes" and "tsunami" are different.
bottlecap

Orlando, FL

#48 Apr 26, 2013
Fa-Foxy wrote:
<quoted text>
A "no-fly" zone over Syria would probably be illegal. And what good would it do anyway ? It certainly would not stop the use of chemical weapons, or other WMD's delivered by artillery, or by means other than aircraft.
Apparently "NEVER AGAIN" actually means "Well, sometimes".
And whats that useless organization called the "U.N." doing ?! Wasn't the main purpose of the establishment of the U.N. to prevent this sort of thing ?
The UN?? ha ha

The UN was established by Hitler's Bankers after WWII to advance the cause of the International BANKSTERS.

Since: Feb 08

Hypoluxo Fl

#49 Apr 26, 2013
check it out wrote:
<quoted text> Many of the same bloggists were saying "prove that North Korea is developing a nuclear weapons capability". Then, guess what? NK now has the capability. The bloggists knew the NK were developing WMD all along. They just wanted NK to have that capability.
Now they want you to believe that all Syrian opposition members are evil head hacking, raping muderers and need to die immediately, lest Assad should fall.
They openly support his massacres, his destruction of Syria. They have put their all into supporting Assad and so, are depeserate to convey to the world how bad his opposition are.
What the hell are you posting about? I don't give a shit about the rebels or Assad. We don't live there. Let them figure out there own problems. We've already lost enough men and women over in Sandland. Not to mention the trillions of dollars we're pissing away. How would you like it if they came over here because the Dems and the Repubs are at each others throats?

“ WOOF ! ”

Since: Nov 12

33.00, -111.51

#50 Apr 26, 2013
Protect Yourself wrote:
<quoted text>
A no fly zone would be the first step. Syria would be prevented from air dropping chemical munitions.
Using the no fly zone, we can monitor troop movements and alert rebel forces.
Now it's just unsure if we will treat it like Libya and destroy land based launchers or like Iraq after the first war where we just flew patrols.
I still think they should just have Russia take the chem warheads out of Syria instead.
If we are going to help the rebels,then we should do much more. Personally I think we lost our moment and should have stepped in before Alqueda did.
We are NOT the policeman of the world ! Haven't our elected officials learned ANYTHING from our military adventures in Iraq and Afghanistan ?

Let the U.N. or the Europeans worry about this. There is nothing we can do, or should do, about the situation in Syria.,
bottlecap

Orlando, FL

#51 Apr 26, 2013
Mykro wrote:
<quoted text>What the hell are you posting about? I don't give a shit about the rebels or Assad. We don't live there. Let them figure out there own problems. We've already lost enough men and women over in Sandland. Not to mention the trillions of dollars we're pissing away. How would you like it if they came over here because the Dems and the Repubs are at each others throats?
Can we, as American citizens, possible imagine how much better life would be in the United States both economically and emotionally IF...IF, after Saddam Hussein invaded Kuwait in August of 1990, that Bush Sr. would have let the middle-easterners work out their own problems????

The set-up was so obvious that Mr Magoo could see it-----Osama bin Laden offered his services to the Sausi king to defend the Holyland against Saddam Hussein. The US could have played a small role in the background and have come up smelling like a rose.

“ WOOF ! ”

Since: Nov 12

33.00, -111.51

#52 Apr 26, 2013
bottlecap wrote:
<quoted text>
Can we, as American citizens, possible imagine how much better life would be in the United States both economically and emotionally IF...IF, after Saddam Hussein invaded Kuwait in August of 1990, that Bush Sr. would have let the middle-easterners work out their own problems????
The set-up was so obvious that Mr Magoo could see it-----Osama bin Laden offered his services to the Sausi king to defend the Holyland against Saddam Hussein. The US could have played a small role in the background and have come up smelling like a rose.
I read recently that not too long before the invasion of Iraq in 2003, that Saddam had sent a message thru intermediaries, that he would voluntarily step down and leave Iraq IF he were permitted to take 1 billion dollars with him, AND that he would not be prosecuted by anyone for any thing. It is reported that Bush turned the offer down.

BIG mistake ! He should have grabbed that offer immediately ! It's cost us far more in blood and treasure than it would have, had we agreed to Saddam's offer.
Protect Yourself

Watertown, NY

#53 Apr 26, 2013
Fa-Foxy wrote:
<quoted text>
We are NOT the policeman of the world ! Haven't our elected officials learned ANYTHING from our military adventures in Iraq and Afghanistan ?
Let the U.N. or the Europeans worry about this. There is nothing we can do, or should do, about the situation in Syria.,
I agree and disagree.

I have had friends in the Qatari royal family since 2004 and they have friends & business partners in Syria.

Because of their support for the rebels and placing them as Syria's representative to the Arab League is enough to tell me they believe it
s the right thing.

When any stray munitions get into Turkey or Israel, they do not contact the Syrian government... They retaliate immediately.

If the UN or Europe take more action then it's even more reason we should assist. Syria is only the size of New York State.

BUT

My reason against doing anything is simply that Russia has a base and facilities there.

It seems to already be like Iraq with just senseless random bombs.

That said I find it funny that Alqueda has all this hate for us and Israel for being in the Middle East but now they have left a stain, sourness and fear in their own lands. Failures to their own cause. All of them. Fight using money, politics and showing people a better way. Not by killing peaceful locals on purpose.
bottlecap

Orlando, FL

#54 Apr 26, 2013
Fa-Foxy wrote:
<quoted text>
I read recently that not too long before the invasion of Iraq in 2003, that Saddam had sent a message thru intermediaries, that he would voluntarily step down and leave Iraq IF he were permitted to take 1 billion dollars with him, AND that he would not be prosecuted by anyone for any thing. It is reported that Bush turned the offer down.
BIG mistake ! He should have grabbed that offer immediately ! It's cost us far more in blood and treasure than it would have, had we agreed to Saddam's offer.
I don't know if Saddam was willing to do that or not----but if true, then that would have been a bargain price.

The REAL ISSUE to me though, is why Iraq in the first place????

It was the sick Wahhabist freaks from Saudi Arabia that attacked the United States; and a joint police action against the freaks, carried out by the Saudi Government and the US Government would seem the obvious course of action.
mxlplx

United States

#56 Apr 27, 2013
Protect Yourself wrote:
<quoted text>
Actually, no-fly zone is being organized as we speak for Syria.
Regardless of which side is responsible, if a chem weapon is used by either side we will step in.
Well, that's pretty stupid. It would obviously guarantee that the rebels would use them, wouldn't it?

Or is that the point?

Somebody should check McCain's garage to make sure nothing suspicious is missing.
mxlplx

United States

#57 Apr 27, 2013
As we speak, thousands of rebels and their al qaeda affiliates are sitting around campfires, mapping out the co-ordinates for any chemical weapon stockpiles, and concentrating their efforts on them, not least because they're convinced that drawing red lines is not the white house's burden but theirs. With such toys in hand and after the red lines are drawn, erasing Israel's border lines are next on their agenda.

Throw some water in your face. You need a wake up call.
historian

United States

#58 Apr 27, 2013
Fa-Foxy wrote:
<quoted text>
I agree. Since Germany never attacked us, that damn Democrat FDR, NEVER should've declared war on Germany and gotten us involved in a land war in Europe !
Japan attacked us and Japan and Germany were one axis. Has it escaped your attention that we didn't enter the war until Pearl Harbor?

“ WOOF ! ”

Since: Nov 12

33.00, -111.51

#59 Apr 27, 2013
historian wrote:
<quoted text>
Japan attacked us and Japan and Germany were one axis. Has it escaped your attention that we didn't enter the war until Pearl Harbor?
Yes. Japan attacked us at Pearl Harbor.(And contrary to what many Americans believe, we fired the first shot at Pearl Harbor, when the USS Ward sank a Japanese submarine attempting to sneak into the harbor, many hours before the aircraft attacked). Therefore< FDR should've asked congress to declare war only on Japan. Not Germany.
Oliver Cromwell

Preston, UK

#60 Apr 27, 2013
Fa-Foxy wrote:
<quoted text>
I read recently that not too long before the invasion of Iraq in 2003, that Saddam had sent a message thru intermediaries, that he would voluntarily step down and leave Iraq IF he were permitted to take 1 billion dollars with him, AND that he would not be prosecuted by anyone for any thing. It is reported that Bush turned the offer down.
BIG mistake ! He should have grabbed that offer immediately ! It's cost us far more in blood and treasure than it would have, had we agreed to Saddam's offer.
Yes but just think of the billions in profit those Neocon Nazis made,first they destroy Iraq then the likes of Rumsfeld and Cheney get the contracts for the re build,and just think about all the weapons that have to be replaced,how many millions is a Cruise missile these days,or i should say how many tax dollars,those bastards should be Hung for what they did.
Oliver Cromwell

Preston, UK

#61 Apr 27, 2013
mxlplx wrote:
As we speak, thousands of rebels and their al qaeda affiliates are sitting around campfires, mapping out the co-ordinates for any chemical weapon stockpiles, and concentrating their efforts on them, not least because they're convinced that drawing red lines is not the white house's burden but theirs. With such toys in hand and after the red lines are drawn, erasing Israel's border lines are next on their agenda.
Throw some water in your face. You need a wake up call.
If those Wahabi savages have used Chemical Weapons in a false flag i don't think they would have got them in syria,i believe one of their supporters maybe in the gulf have provided them,or most probable they came from Libya because that Country is now a Charnel House,there are plenty of Jihadist maniacs there some have been sent to Hell when they went to Syria.
bottlecap

Orlando, FL

#62 Apr 27, 2013
Oliver Cromwell wrote:
<quoted text>
Yes but just think of the billions in profit those Neocon Nazis made,first they destroy Iraq then the likes of Rumsfeld and Cheney get the contracts for the re build,and just think about all the weapons that have to be replaced,how many millions is a Cruise missile these days,or i should say how many tax dollars,those bastards should be Hung for what they did.
Let us not forget Bush Sr. here. He was the one who involved the US in GULF WAR I. If he would have let Saddam from Iraq and Osama bin Laden from Saudi Arabia fight it out, with the middle-easterners picking sides the US, as well as England, would be much better off.
orion

Cape Town, South Africa

#63 Apr 27, 2013
FormerParatrooper wrote:
<quoted text>
POTUS stated it was a red line if Assad used chemical weapons, is he a maniac? Or maybe the maniac is the one using Sarin gas? Sarin and cyclosarin are nasty ways to be injured or to die from.
Do we have any business to help those in need? Don't forget, no matter where things happen from earthquakes to tsunami, we are the first to offer assistance. We even sent food aid to the USSR, North Korea and anyone else who asked. Should we stop these things as well?
Indeed all chemical weapons are a nasty way to die, but so are phosphor (Germany) napalm (VietNam) depleted uranius (Iraq). In Fallujah the US tested chemical weapons on the population so what is new. The difference as somebody pointed out is that if the opposition use them, it is a crime against humnity, but when the US use them, it is US policy. Peaceful assistance to other other countries has got nothing to do with supporting 'regime change" or arming terrorists. As to food shipments it is an instrument of foreign policy. When there are surplus, suddenly it is discovered that the population of such and such country is malnourished. The American people are then brainwashed into believing that "something must be done". So the US government use taxpayers money to buy those surplus which are given free of charge to anybody who needs it. The American farmers are happy, as the price of cereals is being kept up. The US taxpayer is being conned and the receiving countries are also happy. The ones who are unhappy are those farmers in receiving countries who must stop farming as they cannot compete against free food, re-inforcing the problem as they move to town and become squatters, dependant on US hand outs. More slaves for the new World Order!
orion

Cape Town, South Africa

#64 Apr 27, 2013
bottlecap wrote:
<quoted text>
I don't know if Saddam was willing to do that or not----but if true, then that would have been a bargain price.
The REAL ISSUE to me though, is why Iraq in the first place????
It was the sick Wahhabist freaks from Saudi Arabia that attacked the United States; and a joint police action against the freaks, carried out by the Saudi Government and the US Government would seem the obvious course of action.
The main sin of Saddam, a CIA puppet who became rogue, was his intention to ask Euros in payment of his oil. Same with Iran. Countries buying oil are forced to buy dollars first in order to pay for the commodity, effectively keeping the value of the dollar. The US is just printing pieces of paper called dollars with no intrisinct value, except that they are needed for the oil trade. In 45 a deal was made with the Saudis that in exchange for the protection of the kingdom, all oil would be traded in dollars. All other petro-states followed until Saddam decided to rock the boat.

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