Obama steps into abortion minefield, upsets some pro-choice act...

For the past week, some activists in the abortion rights community have been trying to figure out why Barack Obama, a Democrat praised for his strong defense of reproductive rights, appeared to be turning soft. Full Story
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here it comes

Minneapolis, MN

#1 Jul 10, 2008
this discussion will be ugly...
Duke

Palo Alto, CA

#2 Jul 10, 2008
Obama thinks babies are a punishment.
Scott in Orlando

Orlando, FL

#3 Jul 10, 2008
It's surprising that some of the pro-abortion groups are upset. Obama has not changed his position. It is "much ado about nothing." And what he stated and how he has voted, there is absolutely no fear that the pro-life groups will be endeared to him! This is why moderates (such as myself) resist the extreme liberal position on abortion that wants no parameters. They exhibit little understanding of the issues of life and abortion procedures.
Didaskalos

Minneapolis, MN

#4 Jul 10, 2008
"His point, he said, was that the health exception can be defined rigorously.

"It can be defined through physical health. It can be defined by serious, clinical, mental health diseases. It is not just a matter of feeling blue," Obama said. "I don't think that's how pro-choice folks have interpreted it. I don't think that's how the courts have interpreted it and I think that's important to emphasize and understand."

What a cynical evasion and reversal of the positions he's taken as a state and U. S. Senator. First of all, Obama's smart enough to realize that Doe v. Bolton's "health exception" has included every reason from fear of stretch marks to sex selection. That meaningless exception won't be affected by his suddenly moderate rhetoric.

Secondly, he was to the left of NARAL on the Born Alive Infants Protection Act. The federal Born Alive Infants Protection Act passed unanimously in the U.S. Senate and overwhelmingly in the U.S. House. Sens. Kennedy and Boxer even spoke in support on the Senate floor. NARAL expressed neutrality. Obama actively opposed nearly identical legislation in Illinois, the sole state senator to speak against Illinois' Born Alive two years in a row. In 2003, Obama single-handedly stopped identical legislation to the federal Born Alive Act from being introduced in the Illinois Senate as chairman of the committee vetting the bill.
That legislation finally passed in 2005 – the year after Obama left the Illinois Senate – refuting his claim it was unnecessary.
Rad Rethuglican

United States

#5 Jul 10, 2008
It's really quite simple folks. Don't like abortion? Don't have one. Bring on Operation Rescue again! I'm ready for some rock'in & rollin'. I want to know where the Anti-Choice slugs are going to be rallying during the RNC, so I can be there to exercise my 1st amendment rights.
The Last Word

Schaumburg, IL

#6 Jul 10, 2008
Rad Rethuglican wrote:
It's really quite simple folks. Don't like abortion? Don't have one. Bring on Operation Rescue again! I'm ready for some rock'in & rollin'. I want to know where the Anti-Choice slugs are going to be rallying during the RNC, so I can be there to exercise my 1st amendment rights.
The only thing that is simple is your thought process.
Let's apply your logic to other areas as welll, don't like dealers selling meth, fine, don't buy any. Don't like domestic abuse, great, don't slap your spouse a round.
Wow, you're right, it really is simple........
Try harder ok?
Kevin

Saint Paul, MN

#7 Jul 10, 2008
Rad Rethuglican wrote:
It's really quite simple folks. Don't like abortion? Don't have one. Bring on Operation Rescue again! I'm ready for some rock'in & rollin'. I want to know where the Anti-Choice slugs are going to be rallying during the RNC, so I can be there to exercise my 1st amendment rights.
It's really not a simple issue. For people that don't think abortion is just a choice someone makes, you statement is like saying, Don't like beating your wife, don't do it. Don't like stealing from your neighbor, don't do it. Don't like murdering someone, don't do it.

You are the radical type that gives the realistic people on the pro-abortion side of the fence a bad name.
typical politician

Rogers, MN

#8 Jul 10, 2008
They all say anything to gets votes...lets talk out of both sides of my mouth so that no one really ones what I stand for that way I can get votes form everyone...they are ALL THE SAME!!!!
Duke

Palo Alto, CA

#9 Jul 10, 2008
Rad Rethuglican wrote:
It's really quite simple folks. Don't like abortion? Don't have one. Bring on Operation Rescue again! I'm ready for some rock'in & rollin'. I want to know where the Anti-Choice slugs are going to be rallying during the RNC, so I can be there to exercise my 1st amendment rights.
Murdering babies is not a choice. The democrats are always for murdering babies.
Listen to yourselves

United States

#10 Jul 10, 2008
Rad Rethuglican wrote:
It's really quite simple folks. Don't like abortion? Don't have one. Bring on Operation Rescue again! I'm ready for some rock'in & rollin'. I want to know where the Anti-Choice slugs are going to be rallying during the RNC, so I can be there to exercise my 1st amendment rights.
Rad,

Please pay attention. The First Amendment prohibits restrictions on speech imposed by the government. Speech that is meant to create an immediate violent reaction is NOT protected. So if someone smashes you in the face, they have only lowered themselves to your level of angry arguing, NOT violated your free speech. Your 1st Amendment rights are only restrictions on the government. Come on, any moron knows that. But jobless people that resent personal accountability don't.
Ron G

United States

#11 Jul 10, 2008
No matter what Obama says during is rush to the political center, he still will support the angry liberals who cling to their high taxes, environmental wacko policies, and abortion on demand for any reason.
Eaganite

Saint Paul, MN

#12 Jul 10, 2008
Obama Hussein is doing the Texas Two Step once again.
tyler

Saint Paul, MN

#13 Jul 10, 2008
Get used to it. Obama is a two-face and a liar. Hopefully as he continues to lie about his positions more and more people will see past his media-given rock star facade.
Red Ryder

Monroe, LA

#14 Jul 10, 2008
'Right to know' abortion law upheld

http://www.onenewsnow.com/Legal/Default.aspx...

Women considering an abortion in South Dakota will receive more complete information about how the procedure will affect their bodies and what will actually happen to their unborn child thanks to a ruling by the 8th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals.

South Dakota passed a law in 2005 requiring abortionists to inform women that the procedure ends the life of a living human being, and that they could suffer physical harm from the procedure as well. Jordan Lorence, senior counsel with the Alliance Defense Fund (ADF), says Planned Parenthood immediately sued to block implementation of the law.

"They don't want to tell women all the facts because, if women decide not to get abortions based on that total package of information, Planned Parenthood wouldn't get money," Lorence explains. "The doctors, therefore, have a conflict of interest."
the proud CONTRARIAN

Saint Paul, MN

#15 Jul 10, 2008
here it comes wrote:
this discussion will be ugly...
Don't you mean "bloody".....
the proud CONTRARIAN

Saint Paul, MN

#16 Jul 10, 2008
I love it when the right plays GOD on this issue. Guess what righty's? He doesn't care!

run JESSE run!
Red Ryder

Monroe, LA

#17 Jul 10, 2008
Reason for abortion: About 73 percent of patients said they didn't want children at this time.

When they state this, they are ignoring the following:
Economic Reasons - 37.2%
Emotional Health is at Stake - 6.0%
Unknown or Refused to Answer - 9.3%
Other Stated Reasons:
Single parent of 1 or more children - 7.4%
Educational Goals - 6.4%
Already have children, don't want any more - 2.5%
Relationship Issues - 2.6%
You can't add these up since the women interviewed could have given more that one response. However, you can add up the ones that were for medical reasons:
Physical Health at Stake - 4.7%
Continued pregnancy will cause impairment of major bodily function - 0.15%
Pregnancy resulted in fetal anomalies - 1.1%
This totals up to 6.0%.

>>> This would indicate that in over 90% of cases, abortion is used as a means of birth control. <<<

Also in the report:
Total state funds used to pay for out of state abortion procedures, including incidental expenses:$36,461.91
SEE REPORT :

http://www.health.state.mn.us/macros/main/200 ...
Snowball

Farmington, MN

#18 Jul 10, 2008
Duke wrote:
Obama thinks babies are a punishment.
Babies _are_ a punishment. They are damn expensive, and there is a 40% chance they will turn out autistic, homosexual or republican. It's not worth the risk.
Didaskalos

Minneapolis, MN

#19 Jul 10, 2008
Red Ryder wrote:
'Right to know' abortion law upheld
http://www.onenewsnow.com/Legal/Default.aspx...
Women considering an abortion in South Dakota will receive more complete information about how the procedure will affect their bodies and what will actually happen to their unborn child thanks to a ruling by the 8th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals.
South Dakota passed a law in 2005 requiring abortionists to inform women that the procedure ends the life of a living human being, and that they could suffer physical harm from the procedure as well. Jordan Lorence, senior counsel with the Alliance Defense Fund (ADF), says Planned Parenthood immediately sued to block implementation of the law.
"They don't want to tell women all the facts because, if women decide not to get abortions based on that total package of information, Planned Parenthood wouldn't get money," Lorence explains. "The doctors, therefore, have a conflict of interest."
[from the story you linked] "A three-judge panel of the 8th Circuit initially blocked the law from going into effect, but the full court recently ruled 8-7 that states can require doctors to provide "truthful, non-misleading" information to women who are considering an abortion -- even if that information may encourage them to choose to let the child live."

"... even if that information may encourage them to choose to let the child live."

Letting an unborn child live: why is that such a haunting specter for abortionists and abortion acolytes? Lady Macbeth ("Yet do I fear thy nature; It is too full o' the milk of human kindness") must be the patron saint of this group.
Duke

Palo Alto, CA

#20 Jul 10, 2008
Snowball wrote:
<quoted text>
Babies _are_ a punishment. They are damn expensive, and there is a 40% chance they will turn out autistic, homosexual or republican. It's not worth the risk.
Babies are a gift from God. You are a punishment.

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