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Rubio and Paul Embody Conservative Debate Over Foreign Policy

There are 47 comments on the The New York Times story from Jan 26, 2013, titled Rubio and Paul Embody Conservative Debate Over Foreign Policy. In it, The New York Times reports that:

Senator Rand Paul was Secretary of State Hillary Clinton's staunchest critic during her hearing before the Senate Foreign Relations Committee on Wednesday.

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Wall Street Government

Sebastian, FL

#22 Jan 26, 2013
Bluebonnets-Thistle wrote:
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It was no different than attacking wrong ships in WWII by British and Ameican forces. It happens, they thought it was Egyptian, Israel has paid millions to the families as reparations.
We haven't recieved a penny from those bastards that bombed the US Embassy in Narobi, the Air Force Barracks in Saudi, the Marine Barracks in Beruit, the Cole or 9/11. NOT one fkn dime.
We see where the dems continue to pander to them. They're building back up again..........after W killed and captured much of their base. Pathetic.
None of those country's military were involved, why would they pay when the attacks weren't endorsed by or on the behalf of their government?

Killed much of thier base?

Didn't Bush say that before?:

"Major combat operations in Iraq have ended. In the battle of Iraq, the United States and our allies have prevailed." -- George Bush -- speaking underneath a "Mission Accomplished" banner aboard the USS Abraham Lincoln, May 1, 2003

Or was it Dick?:

"I think they're in the last throes, if you will, of the insurgency." --Vice President Dick Cheney, on the Iraq insurgency, June 20, 2005

He was doing some "pandering" too:

"My belief is we will, in fact, be greeted as liberators." –Vice President Dick Cheney, "Meet the Press," March 16, 2003

And you don't want to piss off the boss:

News Corp.'s second-largest shareholder, after the Murdoch family, is Prince Alwaleed bin Talal.

The nephew of Saudi Arabian King Abdullah, and one of the world's richest men.

Through his Kingdom Holding Co., Alwaleed owns about 7% of News Corp., or about $3 billion of the media giant.

Earlier this year, News Corp. invested $70 million for a 9% stake in Alwaleed's Middle Eastern media and entertainment company, Rotana, which "owns the Arab world's largest record label and about 40% of the region's movies -- most of which are Egyptian -- and operates 11 free-to-air television channels, two of which are through a partnership with News Corp.," according to Reuters.(Rotana broadcasts Fox movies and TV shows throughout the Middle East.) News Corp. has an option to double its stake in Rotana for another $70 million within 18 months.

Since: Dec 07

Athens, TX

#23 Jan 26, 2013
Wall Street Government wrote:
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None of those country's military were involved, why would they pay when the attacks weren't endorsed by or on the behalf of their government?
Killed much of thier base?
Didn't Bush say that before?:
"Major combat operations in Iraq have ended. In the battle of Iraq, the United States and our allies have prevailed." -- George Bush -- speaking underneath a "Mission Accomplished" banner aboard the USS Abraham Lincoln, May 1, 2003
Or was it Dick?:
"I think they're in the last throes, if you will, of the insurgency." --Vice President Dick Cheney, on the Iraq insurgency, June 20, 2005
He was doing some "pandering" too:
"My belief is we will, in fact, be greeted as liberators." –Vice President Dick Cheney, "Meet the Press," March 16, 2003
And you don't want to piss off the boss:
News Corp.'s second-largest shareholder, after the Murdoch family, is Prince Alwaleed bin Talal.
The nephew of Saudi Arabian King Abdullah, and one of the world's richest men.
Through his Kingdom Holding Co., Alwaleed owns about 7% of News Corp., or about $3 billion of the media giant.
Earlier this year, News Corp. invested $70 million for a 9% stake in Alwaleed's Middle Eastern media and entertainment company, Rotana, which "owns the Arab world's largest record label and about 40% of the region's movies -- most of which are Egyptian -- and operates 11 free-to-air television channels, two of which are through a partnership with News Corp.," according to Reuters.(Rotana broadcasts Fox movies and TV shows throughout the Middle East.) News Corp. has an option to double its stake in Rotana for another $70 million within 18 months.
The mission accomplished banner was on the ship as they were finishing their cruise, bozo. They all do that when heading home. But the left never misses a chance for false propaganda.

You left out al gore selling current to Al Jazerra To Al Jazeera! The fact that Al Jazeera is state run is only one part of a larger scandal. This report breaks down how master con man Al Gore is scamming consumers and more.[The Real Problem With Al Gore's $100 Million Payday From Selling Current To Al Jazeera] www.forbes.com All sorts of people are hurling all sorts of criticisms at former Vice President Al Gore over the $500 million sale of his Current TV network to Al ... of course, big al has conned millions of lefties in donating to his global warming scam too.....gullible. He's laughing all the way to the bank.

Those countries shouldn't have to pay??? They're not meathead...they want us gone and your messiah is selling Egypt 20 F 16's.

Fkn brilliant

The Murdoch Family is Australian...and big allies of America. Soros who owns the major chunk of msnbc propaganda channel...isn't..

Get a brain.

“Sustainability Now!”

Since: May 08

Vadnais Heights

#24 Jan 26, 2013
I am glad that there is SOME debate going on with the Republicans on these issues. Maybe there IS hope when even THEY start questioning the continuous US military presence in Europe -- over 60 YEARS after the cessation of war!

It is clear to most that US military spending could be cut in half, with no lack of ability to protect the country from today's hostile forces. We don't need armored divisions, destroyers, and more deadly fighter planes to fend off fanatics armed with box cutters and exploding underwear -- we need a powerful and well-resourced intelligence operation to warn us of those maniacs trying to blow up commercial airliners and other cowardly tactics.
Cat7

United States

#25 Jan 26, 2013
We will always protect Isreals interests, and thre is nothing the Muslim sympathzers in the Obama Administration can do about it.
Ninthman

“Obama Shames the USA”

Since: Apr 09

Location hidden

#26 Jan 27, 2013
Jun 13, 2011 –“Racism against black people may be the strongest form of racism in China.
Obama wants to get us more into debt with China.
The GOP doesn't.
If you are black, who's really on your side?
Wall Street Government

Sebastian, FL

#27 Jan 27, 2013
Bluebonnets-Thistle wrote:
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The mission accomplished banner was on the ship as they were finishing their cruise, bozo. They all do that when heading home. But the left never misses a chance for false propaganda.
You left out al gore selling current to Al Jazerra To Al Jazeera! The fact that Al Jazeera is state run is only one part of a larger scandal. This report breaks down how master con man Al Gore is scamming consumers and more.[The Real Problem With Al Gore's $100 Million Payday From Selling Current To Al Jazeera] www.forbes.com All sorts of people are hurling all sorts of criticisms at former Vice President Al Gore over the $500 million sale of his Current TV network to Al ... of course, big al has conned millions of lefties in donating to his global warming scam too.....gullible. He's laughing all the way to the bank.
Those countries shouldn't have to pay??? They're not meathead...they want us gone and your messiah is selling Egypt 20 F 16's.
Fkn brilliant
The Murdoch Family is Australian...and big allies of America. Soros who owns the major chunk of msnbc propaganda channel...isn't..
Get a brain.
"Major combat operations in Iraq have ended. In the battle of Iraq, the United States and our allies have prevailed."

ALL ships do NOT have the president on board saying MAJOR combat operations have ended and our ALLIES have prevailed.

"In this battle, we have fought for the cause of liberty, and for the peace of the world. Our nation and our coalition are proud of this accomplishment -- yet, it is you, the members of the United States military, who achieved it. Your courage, your willingness to face danger for your country and for each other, made this day possible. Because of you, our nation is more secure. Because of you, the tyrant has fallen, and Iraq is free".

Now, why would he say that?

The Qatar-based pan-Arab media conglomerate has struggled to gain access to American viewers, and the acquisition of Current TV — to be shut down and replaced by a new channel based in New York, provisionally named Al Jazeera America — will pipe it into some 40 million U.S. homes.

Qatar?

Aren't they one of our "allies"?

Beginning in 1992, Qatar has built intimate military ties with the United States, and is now the location of U.S. Central Command’s Forward Headquarters and the Combined Air Operations Center.

Qatar has attracted an estimated $100 billion in investment, with approximately $60 to $70 billion coming from the United States in the energy sector. It is estimated that Qatar will invest over $120 billion in the energy sector in the next ten years.

Why, yes THEY would be.

You bare one stupid teabagger.

The bad part is repeating what FAUX and Limbaughtomy tells you, you don't even know it.
Wall Street Government

Sebastian, FL

#29 Jan 27, 2013
Cat7 wrote:
We will always protect Isreals interests, and thre is nothing the Muslim sympathzers in the Obama Administration can do about it.
Muslim sympathizers?

Saudi Prince Alwaleed bin Talal now owns a 7 percent stake in Rupert Murdoch's News Corp., the parent company of Fox News, making him the company's largest shareholder outside of Murdoch's own family. Alwaleed is best known for going to Ground Zero after the 9/11 World Trade Center attacks and personally handing then-mayor Rudolph Giuliani a check for $10 million to help finance relief efforts. Afterwards, Alwaleed released a statement blaming the attacks not on the Saudi airline hijackers, but on U.S. policies in the middle east.

As a result, Giuliani returned the prince's donation, gaining him praise from Fox News for doing so. Now that Alwaleed has a controlling ownership in News Corp., he is gaining influence over Fox News. In 2005, just months after Alwaleed acquired his first 5.4 percent stake in News Corp., Fox News covered riots in Paris under a banner saying "Muslim riots." Alwaleed allegedly called Murdoch and had him change the banner to say "Civil riots." Investigative journalist Joseph Trento also reported that a comment he recently made on a Fox Network morning news show, Fox and Friends, about Saudi Arabian money still financing Al Qaeda, was edited out of the show.

Not only does Alwaleed own a stake in News Corp., Murdoch owns an even more substantial stake (18.97 percent) in Alwaleed’s Arabic media company Rotana.

Within the Alwaleed-Murdoch-Rotana galaxy is a 24-hour-Islamic outlet called Al Risala, which Alwaleed founded in 2006. The channel’s director and popular “tele-Islamist” is Tareq Al-Suwaidan, widely reported to be a leader of the Muslim Brotherhood in Kuwait. The station’s “Supreme Advisory Committee” includes Abdullah Omar Naseef, who, according to former federal prosecutor Andrew C. McCarthy, is “a major Muslim Brotherhood figure” involved in the financing of al-Qaida.

Al Risala, then, would seem to fit right into the Al Jazeera-Qaradawi-Muslim-Brothe rhood lineup.

Don't piss off your bosses.

Poor teabaggers.
the rest of us

Saint Paul, MN

#30 Jan 27, 2013
Wall Street Government wrote:
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BLAH,BLAH,FART.....
Don't piss off your bosses.
Poor teabaggers.
Poor dumb, cut and paste leftist turd. Your failed life is not our problem and will not be fixed by government.

“Hillary, thirty years of lying”

Since: Nov 08

Paris

#31 Jan 27, 2013
Wall Street Government wrote:
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On June 8, 1967, US Navy intelligence ship USS Liberty was suddenly and brutally attacked on the high seas in international waters by the air and naval forces of Israel. The Israeli forces attacked with full knowledge that this was an American ship and lied about it. Survivors have been forbidden for 40 years to tell their story under oath to the American public. The USS Liberty Memorial web site tells their story and is dedicated to the memory of the 34 brave men who died.
After surveilling USS Liberty for more than nine hours with almost hourly aircraft overflights and radar tracking, the air and naval forces of Israel attacked our ship in international waters without warning. USS Liberty was identified as a US naval ship by Israeli reconnaissance aircraft nine hours before the attack and continuously tracked by Israeli radar and aircraft thereafter. Sailing in international waters at less than five knots, with no offensive armament, our ship was not a military threat to anyone.
The Israeli forces attacked without warning and without attempting to contact us. Thirty four Americans were killed in the attack and another 174 were wounded. The ship, a $40-million dollar state-of-the-art signals intelligence platform, was later declared unsalvageable and sold for scrap.
Repuplicans/Neocons and Teabaggers:
Pandering to those who hate America for over 50 years.
Hey goosestepper, You said they lied about it. Where's the proof they knew. Is it down in one of your boots?
Wall Street Government

Sebastian, FL

#32 Jan 27, 2013
the rest of us wrote:
<quoted text>
Poor dumb, cut and paste leftist turd. Your failed life is not our problem and will not be fixed by government.
Teabagger/Bachmann troll.
Wall Street Government

Sebastian, FL

#33 Jan 27, 2013
Le Jimbo wrote:
<quoted text>Hey goosestepper, You said they lied about it. Where's the proof they knew. Is it down in one of your boots?
Israel claimed it was an Egyptian ship.

Retired Adm. Thomas Moorer accused the U.S. and Israeli governments yesterday of covering up evidence surrounding the 1967 Israeli attack on the American intelligence ship USS Liberty.

Thirtyfour American crewmen were killed and 171 wounded in the combined air and sea attack June 8, 1967, against the reconnaissance ship, cruising in international waters 15 miles off the Sinai Peninsula during the SixDay War.

Israel maintains its fighter pilots, who buzzed the ship for eight hours before the attack, and torpedo boat crews, mistook the Liberty for an Egyptian ship.

"The Israelis maintain this was simply a case of mistaken identity, but this clearly does not hold water," said Moorer, who was chief of naval operations at the time of the attack. "In clear visibility, this unique ship was very easy to identify.

"The Israeli forces circled the ship and then proceeded to attack over an extended period of time. There is Simply no way the fighter pilots and torpedo boat crews could have come to such a conclusion," he said.

The U.S. 6th Fleet, positioned nearby, received a distress call from the Liberty, and one carrier dispatched a squadron to search for the disabled ship. Before the ship was found, the fleet received orders from Washington ordering the planes back. Moorer called on Congress to, once and for all clear up the uncertainties, speculation and unanswered questions surrounding this tragedy, which is still thought by many to be a deliberate coverup on the part of the government of Israel as well as the government of the United States.
Wall Street Government

Sebastian, FL

#34 Jan 27, 2013
The U.S. Government had posted the Liberty off the coast of Gaza, in international waters, to monitor developments in the region during the Sixday War.(The Liberty's mission will be discussed in detail below.) At dawn 8 June, Israeli aircraft began reconnoitering the ship, some flying so close that the pilots could clearly be seen, and as low as masthead height, obviously photographing it. This extensive observation lasted seven hours and involved eight separate observations, at about 0600, 0900, 1000, 1030, 1100, and 1130, 1200 and 1215 p.m. U.S. intercept stations twice overheard Israeli pilots reporting that the ship was American. The visibility conditions were perfect; the ship's American flag was flying free and clear in a good breeze.

At 1400 a well coordinated attack by jet aircraft and torpedo boats began. Jets hammered the virtually unarmed ship with cannon and rockets, and napalmed it. Its forward machineguns were wiped out in the first firing pass, and whatever transmitting antennas survived that pass were disabled by the second. Nine minutes into the attack, crewmen juryrigged a transmitter to an antenna. But the radiomen discovered that four out of five of the ship's radio frequencies, including the international distress frequency, were being jammed. Ironically, the only time Liberty could transmit was while the jets were firing their missiles. A frantic cry for help was sent to the Sixth Fleet, only 400 miles away and off Crete; despite the Israeli jamming, the Liberty's plea for assistance was received. The patchwork transmitting arrangement ceased functioning soon afterward.
Wall Street Government

Sebastian, FL

#35 Jan 27, 2013
Le Jimbo wrote:
<quoted text>Hey goosestepper, You said they lied about it. Where's the proof they knew. Is it down in one of your boots?
They were like FAUX.

They left out details that didn't fit their agenda.

Like you do, consistently.

Poor teabagger.

Since: Feb 11

Location hidden

#36 Jan 27, 2013
Le Jimbo wrote:
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REPORT: Emails show FBI investigating Dem senator for sleeping with underage Dominican prostitutes.
If they were young boys, then we'd know it was the GOP senator.

Since: Feb 11

Location hidden

#37 Jan 27, 2013
Le Jimbo wrote:
<quoted text>Hey goosestepper, You said they lied about it. Where's the proof they knew.
The Americans who where there know the Israelis knew, and if you had ever served your country, you'd know the giant American flag and the giant hull numbers indicated that it was an American ship, and since the Israelis had the ship under surveillance for two weeks before they attacked it, and they flew over the ship just above the mast with slow prop observation planes:

we don't have to pretend otherwise.

PS: If you had served your country with a remote connection to ECM, you would know that Israel knew it was positively an American ship because it jammed the discrete channels the US used to communicate with the rest of the fleet.

Since: Feb 11

Location hidden

#38 Jan 27, 2013
Bluebonnets-Thistle wrote:
The mission accomplished banner was on the ship as they were finishing their cruise, bozo. They all do that when heading home.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAAH!

Do show us ONE other ship that has a Mission Accomplished banner paid for by the White House, just for a photo op.

The GOP never tires of spin.

“Hillary, thirty years of lying”

Since: Nov 08

Paris

#39 Jan 27, 2013
Wall Street Government wrote:
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Teabagger/Bachmann troll.
Obama, Clinton defend record in Middle East... Yes, the 60 minutes rehearsed Dog and Pony show that OBAMA REQUESTED CBS DO, is a staged puff piece to get the press to lay off Clinton and let Benghazi die faster than the Ambassador and three others.

ABCNEWS COVERUP: NO QUESTIONS TO SENATOR ON PROSTITUTES... What's new with the MSM.......Marxist Stooges & Mo Fo's.

CBSNEWS Runs Segment:'Let's Give Up On The Constitution'... Well isn't that exactly what the left has been trying till the courts just slapped Obama down for abuse of power.

“Hillary, thirty years of lying”

Since: Nov 08

Paris

#40 Jan 27, 2013
Wall Street Government wrote:
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They were like FAUX.
They left out details that didn't fit their agenda.
Like you do, consistently.
Poor teabagger.
give us the examples where FOX left out the details. Come on cupcake put up or STFU.

“Hillary, thirty years of lying”

Since: Nov 08

Paris

#41 Jan 27, 2013
Wall Street Government wrote:
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Israel claimed it was an Egyptian ship.
Retired Adm. Thomas Moorer accused the U.S. and Israeli governments yesterday of covering up evidence surrounding the 1967 Israeli attack on the American intelligence ship USS Liberty.
Thirtyfour American crewmen were killed and 171 wounded in the combined air and sea attack June 8, 1967, against the reconnaissance ship, cruising in international waters 15 miles off the Sinai Peninsula during the SixDay War.
Israel maintains its fighter pilots, who buzzed the ship for eight hours before the attack, and torpedo boat crews, mistook the Liberty for an Egyptian ship.
"The Israelis maintain this was simply a case of mistaken identity, but this clearly does not hold water," said Moorer, who was chief of naval operations at the time of the attack. "In clear visibility, this unique ship was very easy to identify.
"The Israeli forces circled the ship and then proceeded to attack over an extended period of time. There is Simply no way the fighter pilots and torpedo boat crews could have come to such a conclusion," he said.
The U.S. 6th Fleet, positioned nearby, received a distress call from the Liberty, and one carrier dispatched a squadron to search for the disabled ship. Before the ship was found, the fleet received orders from Washington ordering the planes back. Moorer called on Congress to, once and for all clear up the uncertainties, speculation and unanswered questions surrounding this tragedy, which is still thought by many to be a deliberate coverup on the part of the government of Israel as well as the government of the United States.
Yes and Bill Clinton claimed the asprin factory was a weapons factory.......the good news is he only killed two children and one old many trying to hide the blue dress story. Such a hero you all picked to bail out Adolph Obama.

Since: Feb 11

Location hidden

#42 Jan 27, 2013
Le Jimbo wrote:
<quoted text>Obama, Clinton defend record in Middle East.
Obama = 332
Dumbo's Cain = 0

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