Fact checking debate

Fact checking debate

There are 30 comments on the Rome News story from Oct 22, 2012, titled Fact checking debate. In it, Rome News reports that:

EDITOR'S NOTE _ An occasional look at political claims that take shortcuts with the facts or don't tell the full story WASHINGTON - Voters didn't always get the straight goods when President Barack Obama and Republican Mitt Romney made their case for foreign policy and national security leadership Monday night before their last super-sized audience ... (more)

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“Back on cloud 9 :)”

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#22 Oct 23, 2012
Romney Lie # 2
Romney boasted that Massachusetts’ fourth and eighth graders tested first in the nation in reading and math after he became governor. But Massachusetts students had tested at the top or near it before Romney took office.
Obama countered that it was a policy put in place a decade earlier that caused the high scores. The state did pass a landmark 1993 law that emphasized testing and new curriculum, and increased school funding.
Romney: While I was governor, I was proud that our fourth graders came out number one of all 50 states in English and then also in math, and our eighth graders number one in English and also in math — first time one state had been number one in all four measures. How did we do that? Well, Republicans and Democrats came together on a bipartisan basis to put in place education that focused on having great teachers in the classroom. And that was —
Obama: Ten years earlier —
Romney: That was — that was what allowed us to become the number one state in the nation. And this is — and we were —
Obama: But that was 10 years before you took office.
Romney was governor of Massachusetts from January 2003 to January 2007. The 2003 test scores from the National Assessment of Educational Progress, known as “The Nation’s Report Card,” put Massachusetts students in first place for reading and math in fourth grade and reading in eighth grade. It was second for eighth grade math. And it tied with several other states in all categories. In 2005, eighth grade math scores moved up to first — and, as Romney said, the state was ranked first in all categories (tied with a few other states in the math categories).
The state’s 2002 reading scores and 2000 math scores were also at or near the top of the nation — and on par with several other states.
Romney said it was a “bipartisan” effort “that focused on having great teachers” that boosted test scores. But scores were already high in Massachusetts compared with other states.(And they’ve remained there since Romney left office.) Obama said it was an effort “10 years before you took office,” and there’s evidence for that. The Boston Globe said a 1993 education law “is largely credited” for the high scores.
The Christian Science Monitor also recently looked at Massachusetts’ success in education and pointed to the 1993 law that emphasized testing.
Christian Science Monitor, Sept. 5, 2012: Leaders from state government, education, and business came together to form the Massachusetts Education Reform Act of 1993, creating high standards and curriculum frameworks in math, reading, social studies, and science, as well as related tests for fourth-, eighth-, and 10th-graders – the Massachusetts Comprehensive Assessment System (MCAS).…
The emphasis on high-stakes testing led some teachers and parents to protest, worried that it would nudge borderline students into dropping out – a debate that later resonated nationally because of the testing regimen established by the federal No Child Left Behind Act of 2001.…
After the new system took hold, significant learning gains among Massachusetts students were reflected in both state and national tests.
Obama also claimed that Romney “cut education spending when you came into office.” That’s true, though it’s worth pointing out that the state faced a budget gap and the Democratic Legislature proposed cuts, too.

“Back on cloud 9 :)”

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#23 Oct 23, 2012
Romney Lie #3
Smallest Navy Since 1917?

Romney repeated the claim that our “Navy is smaller now than any time since 1917,” which isn’t technically true. There were 342 total active ships as of April 6, 1917, when the U.S. entered World War I. There were 282 active duty ships as of April 2012, according to a Congressional Research Service report in August. That’s down from the Naval History and Heritage Command’s count of 285 as of September 2011. However, 282 ships is the same number in service during George W. Bush’s last year in office, and a slight increase over the number in 2007, when the size of the fleet was actually at its lowest.

More important, ships today can do more than they used to, so having fewer doesn’t necessarily translate to a weaker Navy. In April, Navy Secretary Ray Mabus said that comparing today’s ships to those of years past is “like comparing the telegraph to the smartphone.” Navy officials presented a plan to Congress back in March projecting that the size of the Naval fleet could increase to 300 ships by 2019. That’s the amount that Mabus said the Navy needs to meet its defense needs.
Ninthman

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#24 Oct 23, 2012
It's all a show. Benghazi has cost Obama the election and Hillary her political career. Let's not fool ourselves. Benghazi is much bigger than it looks right now. Many books and movies will portray Obama and Hillary in a very negative light. The writing is already on the wall. The democrats have yet to come out of shock and face the facts. I think it's starting to sink in.

“Happiness comes through giving”

Since: Feb 08

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#26 Oct 23, 2012
Ninthman wrote:
It's all a show. Benghazi has cost Obama the election and Hillary her political career. Let's not fool ourselves. Benghazi is much bigger than it looks right now. Many books and movies will portray Obama and Hillary in a very negative light. The writing is already on the wall. The democrats have yet to come out of shock and face the facts. I think it's starting to sink in.
I offer you a challenge, Nineball. If Romney wins the election, I get off Topix for good. If Obama wins, you get off Topix for good. Deal?
i knee 2 fart

Nha Trang, Vietnam

#27 Oct 23, 2012
Lawrence Wolf wrote:
<quoted text>I offer you a challenge, Nineball. If Romney wins the election, I get off Topix for good. If Obama wins, you get off Topix for good. Deal?
is dat nessexury?! cun U2 god a long;-0000
John from Texas

Quinlan, TX

#28 Oct 23, 2012
PLAN Tax America to Death wrote:
Obama Said He Would Not Consider Egypt An Ally BUT GETS CORRECTED BY THE STATE DEPARTMENT
TELEMUNDO/NBC’s JOSE DIAZ-BALART:“Would you consider the current Egyptian regime an ally of the United States?” PRESIDENT BARACK OBAMA:“I don’t think that we would consider them an ally, but we don’t consider them an enemy. They’re a new government that is trying to find its way.”(President Barack Obama, Interview With Jose Diaz-Balart, TELEMUNDO/NBC News , 9/12/12)
*“Technically, Egypt Was Designated As A Major Non-NATO Ally In 1989.”“That comment had Egypt watchers scratching their heads, especially since technically, Egypt was designated as a Major Non-NATO Ally in 1989 when Congress first passed the law creating that status, which gives them special privileges in cooperating with the United States, especially in the security and technology arenas.”(Josh Rogin,“White House Clarifies Obama’s Statement That Egypt Is Not An ‘Ally,’” Foreign Policy’s The Cable , 9/13/12)
* Egypt Is Still Listed As A Major Non-NATO U.S. Ally.“Secretary of State Hillary Clinton on Saturday formally designated Afghanistan a ‘major non-NATO ally,’ setting the stage for tighter military cooperation even as international troops are on a path to withdraw from the war-torn country by the end of 2014.… The list of major non-NATO allies includes Argentina, Australia, Bahrain, Egypt, Israel, Japan, Jordan, Kuwait, Morocco, New Zealand, Pakistan, the Philippines, South Korea and Thailand.”(Olivier Knox,“U.S. Anoints Afghanistan A ‘Major Non-NATO Ally’,” Yahoo! News, 7/6/12)
THE NEXT DAY, Obama’s State Department Clarified That Egypt Is Still An Ally, Despite What Obama Said .“The State Department affirmed Egypt’s legal status as an ally Thursday – an apparent contradiction to what President Obama said in a Wednesday interview. Asked repeatedly if the State Department still considered Egypt a major non-NATO ally – a designation they were awarded in 1989 – State Department spokeswoman Victoria Nuland said simply:‘Yes.’”(Byron Tau,“State Dept: Egypt’s Still An Ally,” Politico, 9/13/12)
BARACK IS AN EMPTY CHAIR AS CLINT EASTWOOD APTLY COINED HIM. HE IS THE WORST NATIONAL SECURITY THREAT TO AMERICA AND AMERICANS.
Barack's last and final debate contained the MOST egregarious lies of all three debates. He started with the lie that he is Israel's BESTEST BUDDY ON EARTH, and he ended with the lie that he would WORK HARD EVERY DAY to help Americans. His final words were basically: I will continue to create internal warfare among rich and poor Americans by taxing them to death, and that my friends, is my foreign policy address to you all.
It's quite obvious that Barack Obama's foreign policy as the foreigner that he is to our country, is to destroy America. He is not of nor from America. As Clint Eastwood said, Obama is the greatest HOAX ON AMERICA.
Bravo Mitt Romney and Clint Eastwood for revealing Obama to us.
SEND THESE TO EVERYONE YOU KNOW, ASK THEM TO DO SAME.
WE MUST GET A GOP SENATE MAJORITY AND WIN BY A LANDSLIDE TO PREVAIL AGAINST DEMOCRAT FRAUD NOV. 6! THANK YOU
Jesus Christ man! I think you're the only one that's going to read all that stuff. What are you thinking?
Grand Delusions of Barack

Phoenix, AZ

#29 Oct 23, 2012
Lawrence Wolf wrote:
<quoted text>I offer you a challenge, Nineball. If Romney wins the election, I get off Topix for good. If Obama wins, you get off Topix for good. Deal?
That's like making a deal with the devil. I hope he doesn't take it.

You'll be gone anyway after Nov 6, in a hospital diagnosed with grand delusions of an empty chair.
Grand Delusions of Barack

Phoenix, AZ

#30 Oct 23, 2012
John from Texas wrote:
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Jesus Christ man! I think you're the only one that's going to read all that stuff. What are you thinking?
Figures an Obamabot wouldn't read about the truth. Sound bites is where it's at for you.

Maybe Big Bird can spell out the letter O and the number 16 Trillion for you.
Eric Gustafson

Yorktown, VA

#31 Oct 23, 2012
Grand Delusions of Barack wrote:
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That's like making a deal with the devil. I hope he doesn't take it.
You'll be gone anyway after Nov 6, in a hospital diagnosed with grand delusions of an empty chair.
Arizona hasn't been relevant in a Presidential Election since before 1964, what makes you think your opinion or vote bares any consequence this year? Other than Arizona going blue this year, of which there is a real possibility, there is no news out in Arizona. It's a given you are in the bag for the GOP and that makes you of no consequence.
Fact Checker

Santa Clara, CA

#32 Oct 26, 2012
PLAN Tax America to Death wrote:
LIE #5: OBAMA CLAIMED IT COST LESS TO LIBERATE LIBYA THAN AMOUNT SPENT FOR TWO WEEKS IN IRAQ
Nice try, but unfortunately it was CNN that was "false on the math," as anyone willing to take a few seconds to use a calculator can see for themselves:

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