News Analysis: Options Dwindling for Clinton

[terry]

johnny reb wrote:

obama has the nomination. now if he is elected president he will probably not have a veto proof margin in congress. i suspect if white racists vote for mccain then the republicans will not get a majority of either house but may improve on their numbers in house and senate.
people keep talking about the unpopularity of bush. fine. but congressional and senate districts are usually decided by demographic makeup (thats a big word for a redneck hillbilly with a moonshine still) and congressional pork he or she has brought into district. i suspect if there is any change it will be to favor of republicans although not by very much.

I think I agree with you.

Folks Obama will do nothing on his own and I do not expect him to be my savior. I think we the common guys have to be our own saviors.

Part of that is having to vote our REPUBLICANS in DROVES - plain and simple. If they are not voted out in droves then there are rigged machines and a bush supreme court to worry about.

Getting Obama in is just one part of the plan - dont kid yourselves liberals.

[terry]

AA Diasporan wrote:

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It doesn't mean that we should be comfortable with racist thoughts or beliefs. Also, we need to not be opportunistic with our definition of a racist.
African Americans like Alan Keyes, Carol Mossely Braun, Shirley Chisholm, Al Sharpton, and Jesse Jackson did not get any of the white vote or a significant amount of support from Blacks, while running as President.
Why are Black people now being called racist for supporting a mullato candidate? Hillary is poisoning your minds. Should we have been called reverse racist for supporting all of those white candidates all of these years? And should white people been called racist for the last 250 yrs for not supporting black candidates? If Blacks make up 13% of population, then we should have had a black president 13% of the time. Barak's ancestry represents 85% of Americans.
Black people are getting smarter and smarter we will not allow anyone to define or manipulate us.

As a Native American I can tell you the higher ups really fear African-Americans, in great part, because of your sheer numbers.

That is why they work so hard to keep your people down.

[Old Bars Man]

terry wrote:

<quoted text>Wow - a white guy judging a Native American as a bigot?
Funny if it was not so sad.
So do white people really go around thinking they can be judges as to what is racist or not? So I take it you can go up to say a black man and tell him what is racist and what is not.
Boy you must really understand what racism is. You privileged whites are such great people.
Again, not sure if you see this, but you make comments about the perceived brown skinned person that makes anything close to a remark that does not put all WHITE people on a pedestal as pure angels in every post.
And what do you say to the whites that make all kinds of racist statements? Nothing.
And you are seriously going to call others bigots. Again white folks - make no mistake - this is your leadership in this country. Dont kid yourselves.
Some of you need to come forward and do something about these guys. Sitting at home saying, well, I am not like Old Bars here......well that does not do s**t.
You act like you expect blacks and native americans to educate these guys. FYI - they dont really listen to us and many of us (Katrina) are just trying to survive in this country.
And for you idiots that are going to then assume that I am a poor uneducated whatever, save it. I am not. I was taught to work to help those in need, not just my pocket book like many of you conservatives.
So dont post trying to brag how great you are and then act like you think I am jealous of you or something.
Happens all the time so just save it.

Hold on there a minute, Chief! What I did say was that you make judgements with terms like "You Conservatives", "Those Conservatves", anytime anybody makes judgements based on groups and not individuals it is the judgement of a bigot, no matter what the color of his or her skin. As far as you being a "Native American", not so, you just got here a little sooner than the rest of us, Chief! It is not my fault that your culture did not progress fast enough to be able to protect what you preceived to by yours. If you are so concerned with the lack of equality of white people Vs. So called Native Americans, ok Chief, are you and your people ready to give up the tax free status of your Gambling Halls, Bingo Halls and Tribal Areas? Come on down and take a walk in the real world and do as the Mexican people and start at the bottom and work your way toward the top. You are correct, I do look back into history, only an idiot does not, someone devoid of historical facts is more apt to repeat historican mistakes. Chief, remember The Little Big Horn? You won the battle, how did the war go?

[Ummm]

Old Bars Man wrote:

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Hold on there a minute, Chief! What I did say was that you make judgements with terms like "You Conservatives", "Those Conservatves", anytime anybody makes judgements based on groups and not individuals it is the judgement of a bigot, no matter what the color of his or her skin. As far as you being a "Native American", not so, you just got here a little sooner than the rest of us, Chief! It is not my fault that your culture did not progress fast enough to be able to protect what you preceived to by yours. If you are so concerned with the lack of equality of white people Vs. So called Native Americans, ok Chief, are you and your people ready to give up the tax free status of your Gambling Halls, Bingo Halls and Tribal Areas? Come on down and take a walk in the real world and do as the Mexican people and start at the bottom and work your way toward the top. You are correct, I do look back into history, only an idiot does not, someone devoid of historical facts is more apt to repeat historican mistakes. Chief, remember The Little Big Horn? You won the battle, how did the war go?

Didn't the both of you make group judments? Looks like a draw.

[Ummm]

Judgments...

Ugh... it's 2:30... too many typos.

[terry]

Ummm wrote:

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Didn't the both of you make group judments? Looks like a draw.

Actually no. Why would there be a draw - over what exactly?

If "old bar" would actually read my posts he would see I do not make the "white people" statements until after I see Americans make the obama racist cracks or the everything is the brown people or the black people cracks.

Its the same every time. Whites only see the brown person that said "white" and then start the criticism and NEVER say anything to the fellow whites making the insane hateful remarks.

And I never called anyone a bigot or racist (or childish name calling in general). But people never seem to want to see this. They just assume I did.

[Stop Hating]

Louisiana Democrat Don Cazayoux won a U.S. House seat that Republicans had held for more than 20 years a month ago and now Democrat Travis Childers has won a U.S. House of Representatives seat in a special election in Mississippi.

Vice President Dick Cheney and the state's Republican governor campaigned against Childers in a district considered safe territory in part because it voted heavily for U.S. President George W. Bush in 2004.

Advertisements run for Davis in this conservative part of the country attempted to link Childers to Sen. Barack Obama, the frontrunner for the Democratic just like in Louisiana.

Once again this backfired on the Republicans. Attacking Barak Obama just reignited voters to get up from their seats and vote against Republicans. Obama will win Mississippi which is made up of 40% blacks, Virginia, Missouri and other states. Us whites in the West Coast will do our work also by voting against the Republicans who like to put our country into debt, love the Iraq war and have ruin our economy.

No to Republicans!!!!!

[terry]

Old Bars Man wrote:

<quoted text>

Such use of the word "Chief" is very disrespectful. It is meant for the leader of a tribe.

"What I did say was that you make judgements with terms like "You Conservatives", "Those Conservatves", anytime anybody makes judgements based on groups and not individuals it is the judgement of a bigot, no matter what the color of his or her skin."

I can appreciate what you are saying, but you come across as biased. If you want to portray an image of equality with your beliefs then you should also include those that say "You liberals" or "You Progressives" on this post. Have not seen you do it.

But if you want to just defend conservatives then that is fine. Just say so and dont act like you are trying to be objective. That is all I am saying.

"As far as you being a "Native American", not so, you just got here a little sooner than the rest of us, Chief!"

What are you trying to say with this statement. It is not clear. Can you (or maybe someone else) clarify.

"It is not my fault that your culture did not progress fast enough to be able to protect what you preceived to by yours. "

Yes I know you are right. You see - we practiced a thing called cleanliness which meant that we did not have diseases like you. So we had no defense.

I guess we were too clean of a people for our own good. Big MISTAKE on our part. We should have been more dirty like you and we probably could have done better.

In terms of progress on other fronts our civilization was more advanced then your so I am not sure what you are talking about. We progressed much farther then your ancestors ever could or did you not know that.

"If you are so concerned with the lack of equality of white people Vs. So called Native Americans, ok Chief, are you and your people ready to give up the tax free status of your Gambling Halls, Bingo Halls and Tribal Areas?"

Your general lack of actual knowledge of Native Americans speaks to your intelligence. Let me explain.

Wow only took you two posts to bring up the gaming bs. Hate to break it to you but there are 7 million Native Americans and only a small number benefit from gaming (in the 1,000s). There were also 500 different bands, tribes, clans, villages, etc - groups of Natives here when Columbus got lost so to assume we are all one group is ridiculous.

Your assertion that no taxes are paid is ridiculous as well. The gov always gets their cut, that is unless you really believe that among all Americans the Native gamers are the only ones able to not pay taxes (and beat the IRS).

" Chief, remember The Little Big Horn? You won the battle, how did the war go?"

Again a pure race cant defeat a diseased because we have no defense for the garbage your ancestors brought here in your veins. My ancestors did the best they could. I see no fault in that.

[terry]

Stop Hating wrote:

Louisiana Democrat Don Cazayoux won a U.S. House seat that Republicans had held for more than 20 years a month ago and now Democrat Travis Childers has won a U.S. House of Representatives seat in a special election in Mississippi.
Vice President Dick Cheney and the state's Republican governor campaigned against Childers in a district considered safe territory in part because it voted heavily for U.S. President George W. Bush in 2004.
Advertisements run for Davis in this conservative part of the country attempted to link Childers to Sen. Barack Obama, the frontrunner for the Democratic just like in Louisiana.
Once again this backfired on the Republicans. Attacking Barak Obama just reignited voters to get up from their seats and vote against Republicans. Obama will win Mississippi which is made up of 40% blacks, Virginia, Missouri and other states. Us whites in the West Coast will do our work also by voting against the Republicans who like to put our country into debt, love the Iraq war and have ruin our economy.
No to Republicans!!!!!

Wow - nice. I guess Republicans have not figured out that the American people are tired of their politics - no more race bating, sexism bating, religion bating.

Notice Obama has not stooped to their level and they do not know what to do. This is why they fear him.

Did you hear about the drunk rep in new york (got caught - DUI)? He might be the next Republican to go. Randi Rhodes talked about him today.

We need to vote our republicans in droves to expose any diebold 51/49 results.

[ZENmud]

Terry you keep saying 'vote our republicans in droves' and I am SURE, that you mean

'Vote OUT republiCANTS'(Smile...)

ZENcheck?

[Hillary]

I have only 1 option: "RULE THE WORLD"

[Hillary]

I can still bump off the competition. Remember the Whitewater "accidents"

[terry]

ZENmud wrote:

Terry you keep saying 'vote our republicans in droves' and I am SURE, that you mean
'Vote OUT republiCANTS'(Smile...)
ZENcheck?

Oh yeah thanks - posting too much - getting tired I guess.

[Old Bars Man]

terry wrote:

<quoted text>Wrong sparky. You are looking at it from a republican/conservative - "we are always right, and everything was clintons fault" point of view.
The fact is because of the 8 years of corruption caused by conservatives, the dems could put a sock puppet up to run and most Americans would go for that versus another elitist wealthy privileged older white male that is really there for the large corporations.
Obama and Hillary - not perfect by any stretch.
But compare them to bush/mccain and they might as well be perfect.
Convienently you look back over 45 freaking years - you guys go back as far as you need to to justify your positions. I look back at the last 12. 4 years of historic prosperity under Clinton, 8 years of corruption under bush.

Terry, son, you expose your ignorance again, the so called Clinton Great Economy was a direct result of the Dot Com explosion. Bill Clinton even admitted that the economy was going South in his last year as were many, many of the dot com companies. Except for riding this dot com explosion to a so called great economy, what the hell did Bill Clinton do that was note worthy? Did he do anything on a national scale about terrorism, Did he take up the country of Sudan's offer for OBL? Clinton sent troops into a country for aid and then took them back after news reports and pictures of a dead American Soldier being dragged through he streets, this gave reason to believe the thoughts of third world dictators who had always believed that no country could defeat the USA in war, however, they COULD win a war because of lack of American ability to stick with a war when they started to see pictures and accounts of Dead Americans.
Ducky, do yourself a favor and look into the history of the times of the Clinton years and you will see that the dot coms were very large drive cogs in the economy with them for about a 3 year period even being sponsors of most of the college bowl games. These people wish to envoke history in judgement of people and also wish to limit the era of history in which one can reference. God, I love idiots.

[ZENmud]

'S COOL man, I have a nine-hour lead on ya from Switzie...
(my ex-nag's from Carmel Valley, so I don't come that way much anymore.. bwaaaaa-hahaha)

pace,
zen

terry wrote:

<quoted text>Oh yeah thanks - posting too much - getting tired I guess.

[AA Diasporan]

terry wrote:

<quoted text>As a Native American I can tell you the higher ups really fear African-Americans, in great part, because of your sheer numbers.
That is why they work so hard to keep your people down.

We know this. Look at the bible for most answers. Read how the ancient Egyptians began to fear the Israelites because of their growing numbers and how Pharoah issued a decree that called for the killing of male Hebrews aged 2yrs and younger. Look at how America is trying to kill off the black male. Corporate Amerca would rather allow opportunities for black females, or any race of people before offering opportunities to black males.

[AA Diasporan]

terry wrote:

<quoted text>Such use of the word "Chief" is very disrespectful. It is meant for the leader of a tribe.
"What I did say was that you make judgements with terms like "You Conservatives", "Those Conservatves", anytime anybody makes judgements based on groups and not individuals it is the judgement of a bigot, no matter what the color of his or her skin."
I can appreciate what you are saying, but you come across as biased. If you want to portray an image of equality with your beliefs then you should also include those that say "You liberals" or "You Progressives" on this post. Have not seen you do it.
But if you want to just defend conservatives then that is fine. Just say so and dont act like you are trying to be objective. That is all I am saying.
"As far as you being a "Native American", not so, you just got here a little sooner than the rest of us, Chief!"
What are you trying to say with this statement. It is not clear. Can you (or maybe someone else) clarify.
"It is not my fault that your culture did not progress fast enough to be able to protect what you preceived to by yours. "
Yes I know you are right. You see - we practiced a thing called cleanliness which meant that we did not have diseases like you. So we had no defense.
I guess we were too clean of a people for our own good. Big MISTAKE on our part. We should have been more dirty like you and we probably could have done better.
In terms of progress on other fronts our civilization was more advanced then your so I am not sure what you are talking about. We progressed much farther then your ancestors ever could or did you not know that.
"If you are so concerned with the lack of equality of white people Vs. So called Native Americans, ok Chief, are you and your people ready to give up the tax free status of your Gambling Halls, Bingo Halls and Tribal Areas?"
Your general lack of actual knowledge of Native Americans speaks to your intelligence. Let me explain.
Wow only took you two posts to bring up the gaming bs. Hate to break it to you but there are 7 million Native Americans and only a small number benefit from gaming (in the 1,000s). There were also 500 different bands, tribes, clans, villages, etc - groups of Natives here when Columbus got lost so to assume we are all one group is ridiculous.
Your assertion that no taxes are paid is ridiculous as well. The gov always gets their cut, that is unless you really believe that among all Americans the Native gamers are the only ones able to not pay taxes (and beat the IRS).
" Chief, remember The Little Big Horn? You won the battle, how did the war go?"
Again a pure race cant defeat a diseased because we have no defense for the garbage your ancestors brought here in your veins. My ancestors did the best they could. I see no fault in that.

Terry, I have native America in my veins and feel the pain. Yes. Your people did what they could. Unfortunately, they were not match for chicken pox, mumps, and measle infected linen handed out on purpose by the Government. What a dishonorable way to defeat an enemy. Killing women and children while their husbands fight. Today we have to worry about modern germ warfare like the aids virus, ebola virus, and bird flu. Remember the Tuskegee experiments on African Americans.

[ZENmud]

typocally sane personoid:

my responses, not that you asked!

1. but we only vote for sociopathic, compulsive liars: Nixon, Reagan,'Clinton'(just to save you the trouble), BUSH (the king OF ALL sociopathic sickferx)... so why not let us have another one?
NB: you think McCan't isn't??? ask him if he called his wife the C*** word you'd have loved to have me typed...

2. I can agree: what's a super-nice and optimistic man doing to his wife and family, BY RUNNING FOR OFFICE to follow BUSH? I wouldn't wish that on any RepubliCANT, for Cloud Being's sake... it's sad that any American has to take over the 'reins of power' after he trashed the nation, its military, and its future...

3. I give you a stupidity-Mulligan (do-over), because you didn't say anything true, or worth responding to (unless this IS a response)...

4. WHAT PAGE OF HIS BOOK ARE YOU "QUOTING", and do you know how to cite? A librarian could help you...

5. BUT REPUBLICANS ARE THE ONLY 'SURRENDER MONKEYS' WE KNOW: they accepted the Truce in Korea, Nixon/Ford 'lost' Vietnam, REAGAN cut-n-run from Lebanon, BUSH papa couldn't damn SADDAM, and BUSH used Iraq to LEAVE OSAMA B LADEN ALONE AND STEW HIS BREWS THAT SCARE YOU TO ... WRITING???

6. THEY ALREADY ARE: But you've got ISRAEL on your side: that should be a great comfort in your wet-sheeted bed...

7. Michele is certainly smarter than you, and she doesn't advocate a THINK-LIKE-ME-OR-DIE rationale as you profess in these hate-filled words...

8. NO FACTS IN EVIDENCE: I'd happily give ANYONE but rich white boy-chasing corrupt REPUBLICANTS a chance to show the world that we are not all as dumb as a stump: you're racing minute-by-minute into the same finish line as GWB...

CONCLUSION (unnumbered by ewe):
pt. 1: if Obama is a phony, you should do alright by his leadership... and you're in denial about how many Republicans (From the abused and ignored Rational Republican party, long suppressed by Karl Rove) are hoping for a 'time-out' from Republimaniacism...

pt. 2: i have NO problem, if a Black American (or African-American, or African-Islamic-American) has indicated his or her private sufferings, inflicted by people similar to YOU, YOURSELF, AND ONLY YOU, AND... still, my friend: I bet that didn't stop him from loving his mother... do you love yours?

ZENpacifist,universalist

[AA Diasporan]

ZENmud wrote:

typocally sane personoid:
my responses, not that you asked!
1. but we only vote for sociopathic, compulsive liars: Nixon, Reagan,'Clinton'(just to save you the trouble), BUSH (the king OF ALL sociopathic sickferx)... so why not let us have another one?
NB: you think McCan't isn't??? ask him if he called his wife the C*** word you'd have loved to have me typed...
2. I can agree: what's a super-nice and optimistic man doing to his wife and family, BY RUNNING FOR OFFICE to follow BUSH? I wouldn't wish that on any RepubliCANT, for Cloud Being's sake... it's sad that any American has to take over the 'reins of power' after he trashed the nation, its military, and its future...
3. I give you a stupidity-Mulligan (do-over), because you didn't say anything true, or worth responding to (unless this IS a response)...
4. WHAT PAGE OF HIS BOOK ARE YOU "QUOTING", and do you know how to cite? A librarian could help you...
5. BUT REPUBLICANS ARE THE ONLY 'SURRENDER MONKEYS' WE KNOW: they accepted the Truce in Korea, Nixon/Ford 'lost' Vietnam, REAGAN cut-n-run from Lebanon, BUSH papa couldn't damn SADDAM, and BUSH used Iraq to LEAVE OSAMA B LADEN ALONE AND STEW HIS BREWS THAT SCARE YOU TO ... WRITING???
6. THEY ALREADY ARE: But you've got ISRAEL on your side: that should be a great comfort in your wet-sheeted bed...
7. Michele is certainly smarter than you, and she doesn't advocate a THINK-LIKE-ME-OR-DIE rationale as you profess in these hate-filled words...
8. NO FACTS IN EVIDENCE: I'd happily give ANYONE but rich white boy-chasing corrupt REPUBLICANTS a chance to show the world that we are not all as dumb as a stump: you're racing minute-by-minute into the same finish line as GWB...
CONCLUSION (unnumbered by ewe):
pt. 1: if Obama is a phony, you should do alright by his leadership... and you're in denial about how many Republicans (From the abused and ignored Rational Republican party, long suppressed by Karl Rove) are hoping for a 'time-out' from Republimaniacism...
pt. 2: i have NO problem, if a Black American (or African-American, or African-Islamic-American) has indicated his or her private sufferings, inflicted by people similar to YOU, YOURSELF, AND ONLY YOU, AND... still, my friend: I bet that didn't stop him from loving his mother... do you love yours?
ZENpacifist,universalist

Right on!! Good post. Republicans are the true cut and run folks.

[AA Diasporan]

typical sane person wrote:

TWELVE REASONS NOT TO VOTE FOR THE PHONY FLAKE.( PART 1 )
The semi-black flake shouldn't be elected President because:
(1) The Wright debacle exposed Obama to be a SOCIOPATH and a COMPULSIVE LIAR.
(2) In addition to (1).....a semi-black flake with BAD JUDGMENT.
(3) His friendship with the UNREPENTANT HOMICIDAL TERRORIST MANIAC not only shows where Obama is coming from, it again underlines Obama's LACK OF GOOD JUDGMENT.
(4) We don't want a President who is the first choice of the IslamoFascist Swine.
More importantly from his book: "Audacity of Hope", Obama states: " I will stand with the Muslims should the political winds shift into an ugly direction."
(5) We don't want a SURRENDER MONKEY like Obama to present Iran, and the other Islamofascist Swine the Strategic Mid East on a silver platter based on Obama's DELUSIONAL ASSERTION that he can negotiate away the HOMICIDAL ANIMOSITY OF ISLAMOFASCISTS' HATRED OF AMERICA.....AND THEIR MEGALOMANIACAL DESIRE TO CONTROL THE MID EAST.
(6).HOW WOULD YOU LIKE THESE HOMICIDAL ISLAMOFASCIST MANIACS ARMED WITH NUKES ???????
(7) We don't want a First Lady who is NOT proud to be an American and who thinks we are MEAN We certainly don't want a BLACK RACIST to be our First Lady
(8) Personally I hate racists of any colour. KKK should be outlawed, and it is. However, BLACK RACISM is flourishing. Nation of Islam, etc. And, over 90% of the Blacks are obviously Black Racists voting STRICTLY along racist lines. Do you want a President who is the choice of Black Racists to run our country ?
Obama is a PHONY when he proclaims, or implies, that he the the "Great Unifier" of America. There is NO RECORD AT ALL of bi-patrisanship in his Senatorial record.
More importantly from his book:'Dreams of My Father", Obama states: "I found solace in nursing a pervasive sense of grievance and animosity against my mother's race."
PART 2 follows.

Dude nobody is listening to this type of crap anymore. The Republican party is dead. Only fools still listen to Rush Limbaugh. You pretty much used all of his quotes like a good little zombie.