The Ugly Face behind the Mask of Libe...

The Ugly Face behind the Mask of Liberalism

There are 3251 comments on the www.newswithviews.com story from Jul 3, 2009, titled The Ugly Face behind the Mask of Liberalism. In it, www.newswithviews.com reports that:

It has been interesting watching the response to the Honduran military’s recent ousting of its nation’s president, Manuel Zelaya. Barack Obama called the action “not legal” and Hillary Clinton said that the arrest of Zelaya should be condemned.

Most interesting, perhaps, is that taking this position places them shoulder to shoulder with Fidel Castro, Daniel Ortega and Venezuelan’s roaring mouse, Hugo Chavez, who is threatening military action against Honduras. Now, some would say this is an eclectic group — others would say, not so much — regardless, what has gotten them so upset?

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Since: Mar 08

Belleville, IL

#1075 Jul 11, 2009
maria wrote:
<quoted text>you are so right ...and right now masses of people have to depend on the government because blue cross and blue shield does not insure them because of preexsisting conditions ..this government wellfare to insurance giants has to stop ..thats why we need single payer insurance iam in agreement with you totally ..also folks that work full time should not have to be in need of foodstamps ...so any company that employes people and dont pay enough that those people have to receive foodstamps to make ends meet ..those companies shall be identified and taxed so the government can get its money back ...for the slave workforce the government has to feed ..iam in total agreement with you government wellfare to corporations has to stop ...its being stopped as we speak...
SO what did people do for the thousands of years before health insurance and all this wonderful medical technology we enjoy today, 85% of which didn't even exist 35+ years ago?

Somehow, we rose from Biblical times with people riding on camels and living in mud huts to the great society today, almost all of that progress WITHOUT health insurance and MRIs, and advanced prescription drugs.

Just because a technology has been invested in, developed, and works doesn't mean access to it is a "right." YOu have access to it if you're willing and able to pay for it. If not,...

Gab

“Surrounded by Libs.”

Since: Jun 07

Location hidden

#1076 Jul 11, 2009
Obama says the action is not legal and Clinton says it should be condemned.
What happened to not meddling in foreign nations policy?
Or is it only nations who support Muslim extremists?
Gadsden

United States

#1077 Jul 11, 2009
Delphinus 13 wrote:
<quoted text>
100% of the people involved in the "atrocities" of pre-1865 slavery are now dead. It's impossible for the aggrieved parties to receive compensation just as it's impossible for any guilty parties to render compensation. It's a moot point.
"There are more instances of the abridgment of the freedom of the people by gradual and silent encroachments of those in power than by violent and sudden usurpations."
-- James Madison, speech to the Virginia Ratifying Convention, June 16, 1788
Gadsden

United States

#1078 Jul 11, 2009
Maria,

• "Were we directed from Washington when to sow, and when to reap, we should soon want bread."
-- Thomas Jefferson, Autobiography, 1821
Tamarac Tony

Fort Lauderdale, FL

#1079 Jul 11, 2009
Gab wrote:
Obama says the action is not legal and Clinton says it should be condemned.
What happened to not meddling in foreign nations policy?
Or is it only nations who support Muslim extremists?
Good point. Let's review:
A. The Iranian government counts 40 million paper ballots in three hours and announces a landslide for Ahmadinijad. The people take to the streets to protest this obvious rigging of the election and the government starts killing them in the streets.- So our President urges restraint and is afraid to "meddle".

B. The other two branches of government in Honduras, the courts and Parliament, remove the President and the military effectuates his removal and exile. So NOW our President thinks it is ok to "meddle" and condemn the action and issue ultimata (yes that is the plural of ultimatum) for his return.

I can't read his mind or his heart but it does give me cause for grave concern.
Dog

Edmond, OK

#1080 Jul 11, 2009
Gadsden wrote:
Maria,
• "Were we directed from Washington when to sow, and when to reap, we should soon want bread."
-- Thomas Jefferson, Autobiography, 1821
OK Gadsden, You're so smart, provide the date when Alexander Fraser Tytler said or wrote what you say he did. You can't! It is a modern hoax atributed to him.(I agree that it sounds good.)

Gab

“Surrounded by Libs.”

Since: Jun 07

Location hidden

#1081 Jul 11, 2009
Tamarac Tony wrote:
<quoted text>
Good point. Let's review:
A. The Iranian government counts 40 million paper ballots in three hours and announces a landslide for Ahmadinijad. The people take to the streets to protest this obvious rigging of the election and the government starts killing them in the streets.- So our President urges restraint and is afraid to "meddle".
B. The other two branches of government in Honduras, the courts and Parliament, remove the President and the military effectuates his removal and exile. So NOW our President thinks it is ok to "meddle" and condemn the action and issue ultimata (yes that is the plural of ultimatum) for his return.
I can't read his mind or his heart but it does give me cause for grave concern.
It's akin to issuing stern warnings to Isreal and coddling Palistine.
It's not hard to see where his allegance lies.
watefer

Allegan, MI

#1082 Jul 11, 2009
Secon wrote:
Some of you people are truly stupid.
You go on and on about how the government can't possibly do a good job managing things, but you forget that the government successfully runs some pretty massive programs from some of its departments, such as:
- the U.S. Postal Service
- the U.S. Parks Department
- the U.S. military
- the U.S. Dept. of Transportation's Federal Highway Administration
These and many other agencies are highly efficient and do some pretty amazing work, sometimes on very tight budgets.
The postal service?
It is one of the largest employers in the country just after the Department of Defense and Wal-Mart and has the largest civilian vehicle fleet in the world. They are a 'legal' monopoly.
With all this they still have lost 22% in volume and are constantly unable to contain costs and run into financial difficulties.

The parks department? I suspect you mean the National Park Service.
In any case, while they employ almost 22,000 people they are dependent on 137,000 VIP's (Volunteer-in-Parks) which has been figured to be a value of $91,260,000.00 and they still have budget woes.
http://www.ti.org/npsprobs1.html

The US Military? When given clear and firm objectives and then LET LOOSE (ie. less political muddling) to attain these objectives the US military is second to none. Notice the issues with Korea, Vietnam, Lebanon, Somalia, Afghanistan and the second Gulf War when politics dictated military procedures and then review the first Gulf War and see the result of politics defining goals and then getting out of the way. This is DIRECTLY due to the historic non political structure of the military confirming that it works best with LESS government involvement.

Federal Highway Administration?
Do you know anything about the sad state of affairs with the infra structure? Do you know the dire condition of the bridges in the US?
Do you have any idea how long some of these bridges have gone needing critical repairs? Have you even driven on some of the highways?
It is expected to cost $2.2 TRILLION over five years to fix the entire infra structure. Now this also includes levees schools and water supplies but make no mistake the road system is a HUGE chunk of that.

Really, I wouldn't toss the word 'stupid' about with your lack of understanding the facts?

“Fear is the Mind-Killer”

Since: Jun 08

Albuquerque, NM

#1083 Jul 11, 2009
Tamarac Tony wrote:
<quoted text>
Good point. Let's review:
A. The Iranian government counts 40 million paper ballots in three hours and announces a landslide for Ahmadinijad. The people take to the streets to protest this obvious rigging of the election and the government starts killing them in the streets.- So our President urges restraint and is afraid to "meddle".
B. The other two branches of government in Honduras, the courts and Parliament, remove the President and the military effectuates his removal and exile. So NOW our President thinks it is ok to "meddle" and condemn the action and issue ultimata (yes that is the plural of ultimatum) for his return.
I can't read his mind or his heart but it does give me cause for grave concern.
As well is should, being that the exiled Honduran president's 4-year term is up, and he is trying to illegally get himself reelected by starting a mob riot. This is a socialist president, and even the mob did not rally to his call, and the people wanted him out. This exile is a friend of Fidel Castro and Hugo Chavez, a communist and socialist.

And Obama is siding them them against the Honduran government that is enforcing its own laws and doing the right thing?

And who knows what Iran is about, I don't even want to speculate.
Gadsden

United States

#1084 Jul 11, 2009
Dog wrote:
<quoted text>
OK Gadsden, You're so smart, provide the date when Alexander Fraser Tytler said or wrote what you say he did. You can't! It is a modern hoax atributed to him.(I agree that it sounds good.)
Maria,

I'm sorry you don't agree with Thomas Jefferson.
King Tut

Anchorage, AK

#1085 Jul 11, 2009
A "Picture of Dorain Grey" is the best explanation of liberalism that you will ever read!!!
Dog

Edmond, OK

#1086 Jul 11, 2009
Gadsden wrote:
<quoted text>
Maria,
I'm sorry you don't agree with Thomas Jefferson.
Come on Gadsden, Did you quote a hoax or are you a hoax? Fess up.

bob

“Ron Paul is my president.”

Since: Jun 07

Trenton, N.J.

#1087 Jul 11, 2009
Chuck Zimmerman wrote:
<quoted text>
So I guess you were adamantly against the Patriot and Military Commisions Acts? Illegal spying? Rendition & torture? Etc?
i still am. how come democrats aren't anymore?
we're going to add "preventive detention" to it now as well. convenient considering DHS now considers a large number of americans extremists based on their political views.

“Now do whats right!”

Since: Jan 09

Doolittle, Mo.

#1088 Jul 11, 2009
Delphinus 13 wrote:
<quoted text>
SO what did people do for the thousands of years before health insurance and all this wonderful medical technology we enjoy today, 85% of which didn't even exist 35+ years ago?
Their life expectancy was very short and many sufferd throughout their lifetime. As today many without the resources to afford a good health care share that short life span. Especially young mothers without adequate pre-natal care. America is one of the richest nations on this planet, but yet we rank 17th in pre-natal to adolescent deaths in industialized countries, somehow that sounds wrong to me in so many ways.

I have never had health insurance, but I'am so lucky, never been sick a day in my life. If it wasn't for the love of motorcycling I would never have had need of medical care. Their are those out there who work hard every day of their lives and must suffer without coverage due to the outragious medical cost.

Gab

“Surrounded by Libs.”

Since: Jun 07

Location hidden

#1089 Jul 11, 2009
CB can see both sides wrote:
<quoted text>Their life expectancy was very short and many sufferd throughout their lifetime. As today many without the resources to afford a good health care share that short life span. Especially young mothers without adequate pre-natal care. America is one of the richest nations on this planet, but yet we rank 17th in pre-natal to adolescent deaths in industialized countries, somehow that sounds wrong to me in so many ways.
I have never had health insurance, but I'am so lucky, never been sick a day in my life. If it wasn't for the love of motorcycling I would never have had need of medical care. Their are those out there who work hard every day of their lives and must suffer without coverage due to the outragious medical cost.
You think health care is expensive now?
Wait till it's free.
watefer

Allegan, MI

#1090 Jul 11, 2009
CB can see both sides wrote:
<quoted text>Their life expectancy was very short and many sufferd throughout their lifetime. As today many without the resources to afford a good health care share that short life span. Especially young mothers without adequate pre-natal care. America is one of the richest nations on this planet, but yet we rank 17th in pre-natal to adolescent deaths in industialized countries, somehow that sounds wrong to me in so many ways.
I have never had health insurance, but I'am so lucky, never been sick a day in my life. If it wasn't for the love of motorcycling I would never have had need of medical care. Their are those out there who work hard every day of their lives and must suffer without coverage due to the outragious medical cost.
"Especially young mothers without adequate pre-natal care. America"

Just why is this societies problem?

The United States was the first country to provide its populace with unlimited possibilities contingent only on the amount of effort one devotes to their condition.

Sure, Europe with its past serfdom and peasantry has a long history of the underclass being 'taken care of' by the state. This may very well be why they of their own free will put the states collar on. Why should we submit as well? Do we really wish to sell ourselves so cheaply that we would accept whatever crumbs the state deigns to dole out?
The best form of revolution is to stake your own claim and reap the fruits of your own labor.
cliff Parmeter

Masson, Canada

#1091 Jul 11, 2009
O_Canada wrote:
Hahaha! Losers president and first satan, stand while Rome burns....
You got that right. And kiss Quebec ass give them what they want and too hell with the rest of us...... Oh yeah and support Bill 101. to the letter..

“Now do whats right!”

Since: Jan 09

Doolittle, Mo.

#1092 Jul 11, 2009
watefer wrote:
<quoted text>
"Especially young mothers without adequate pre-natal care. America"
Just why is this societies problem?
The United States was the first country to provide its populace with unlimited possibilities contingent only on the amount of effort one devotes to their condition.
Sure, Europe with its past serfdom and peasantry has a long history of the underclass being 'taken care of' by the state. This may very well be why they of their own free will put the states collar on. Why should we submit as well? Do we really wish to sell ourselves so cheaply that we would accept whatever crumbs the state deigns to dole out?
The best form of revolution is to stake your own claim and reap the fruits of your own labor.
You seem to sound as its {pre-natal care} is a --political problem,-- how about a humanities issue, the young deserve a quality healthy life, especially in a rich nation. Helping the underpriviaged has always been the christian thing, and if your not religious "walk in their shoes" or let your children "suffer."

Before you come back with the "bleeding heart liberal" negativity, let me set you straight, I'am not. We as a nation are spoiled by "I'am doing ok why do I need to help others." There are people out there who work hard every day {maybe harder than you ever knew} but due to circumstances can't have the "good life.

Ask youself, does America {you} have an obligation to help children have a happy and healthy life, if not then in my opinion you have a serious uncaring problem. It has nothing to do with forign countries and their way of life. IT'S OURS!
maria

Augusta, GA

#1093 Jul 11, 2009
Delphinus 13 wrote:
<quoted text>
The government of Germany, the Nazis, set out to commit genocide (i.e. exterminate the entire race of Jews). They succeeded in building concentration camps, killing 6 million Jews, and torturing millions more. THat government of Germany, supported by its people, was defeated in WWII, and the people of Germany paid reparations to the people they directly impacted.
In the U.S., the U.S. government abolished slavery in the early-mid 1800s. The southern stats formed the Confederacy and seceded from the Union. The Union(i.e. the United States) went to war with the Confederacy, defeated them, and in victory forced them back into the union and abolished slavery. What followed, Reconstruction, essentially amounted to "reparations" in a sense.
BOTTOM LINE:
1. Show me ONE person alive today who was a slave in pre-1865 America. If they're still alive, we can pay reparations to them. You can't. Any descendant of slaves alive today is at least 3-4 generations removed from slavery. Hence, NO reparations
2. The United States government in existence today is the one that went to war to defeat the Confederacy and free the slaves. Asking the united States to pay reparations to black people for slavery that took place pre-1865 would be like coming up back in 2085 and demanding that the United States, Canada, and Great Britain pay reparations to the Jews for WWII.
3. Who pays and who receives reparations? Many of the people in the United States today are 1st, 2nd, 3rd, or 4th generation immigrants. In other words, their grandparents or great grandparents moved to America within the last 145 years. SUREly they aren't responsible for paying reparations, and surely, if they're African-American, they're not entitled to any reparations, even if you disregard points #1 and #2 above.
4. Even "poor" African-Americans in this country enjoy a lifestyle that's rich when compared to their African counterparts. Even those living in "the projects" receive Welfare, Medicaid, drive cars, have TVs, refrigerators, electricity, running water, cell phones, etc. Many have satellite TV or Cable, and ALL have access to nice well-stocked air conditioned grocery stores. I challenge you to show me someone in America today, who's actually descended from pre-1865 American slaves who'd be better off had their ancestors remained in African.
Reparations are a complete joke. There's no validity to them, and there's no way to equitably pay them. Even IF the U.S. government starts sending checks to African Americans, African-Americans are going to have to pay higher taxes to cover their own checks. Even proposing it is nothing but folly, as is comparing it to the Germans paying reparations to the directly affected Jews from WWII.
98%of germans alive where not in ww2 for any reason ..your point is ...i responded to a person that called me a nazi iam as much a nazi ..as you had slaves ..only i paid reparations while working in germany ...and you folks pay none ..keep acting stupid lol

“Now do whats right!”

Since: Jan 09

Doolittle, Mo.

#1094 Jul 11, 2009
Gab wrote:
<quoted text>
You think health care is expensive now?
Wait till it's free.
How can you even mention "expensive" and childrens health in the same paragraph? Would the subject be a non-issue if we were a third world poor, backward, non-caring nation. I would hope not, but were not!

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