The Ugly Face behind the Mask of Liberalism

[Yes but]

Paul Schafer wrote:

Reading your comments is like listening to the Village Idiots talk to each other.

I always find that quite entertaining.

[Eric L]

watefer wrote:

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I think we are done, you're an idiot.
PROSCRIBED
: to publish the name of as condemned to death with the property of the condemned forfeited to the state
: to condemn or forbid as harmful or unlawful
To denounce or condemn.
To prohibit; forbid.
You stated (and I quote) "The church proscribed Jews engaging in moneylending"
So now you are stating that the church prohibited the Jews from moneylending.
English is not your natural language is it?
The Christian Church did NOT proscribe the Jews from lending money. The Christian Church proscribed CHRISTIANS from lending money. That is why when the Templars did it they called it 'rent' thereby outflanking the proscription. This is also why the church turned on the Templars and even used the whole blood drinking, urinating on the cross, devil worship, unnatural sex and witchcraft in order to 'cleanse the earth of the filth of the Templars'.
It really has less to do with religion and EVERYTHING to do with money and Kings not wanting to pay their debts.

Moneylending was one of the FEW professions that Jews could get into. We are agreed on that. The rest of your post does not prove what my point was: Namely that the church played a PASSIVE ROLE (YOUR words, not mine) in fomenting Anti Semitism-that is one of the studpidest quotes that I have ever read regarding Medieval history. Pagan period Rome,China, India were far more tolerant regarding the Jewish religion than Christianity was because these religious beliefs and states did not emphasize that Judaism were the ultimate evil,subjected to pograms, or completely wiped out. In those regards,Christianity (traditional Christian history) is central in understanding how the Holocaust happened in post Medieval Europe and nowhere else.

[bygolly]

Truck Nuts wrote:

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Not only that, but Democrats create problems and then campaign against them.

It's called 'job security.'

[Eric L]

Tuco the Provacateur wrote:

<quoted text>Just out of curiosity, what is your field of history?
Mine is 20th century, specifically the growth of political movements, my thesis was entitled,"The Growth and Expansion of Communism, and it's Impact on Nationalism, Global Economics, and other Geopolitical Movements".
I received my Masters from the University of Missouri in 1993.
Yours truly
Tuco

My concentration was largely in Chinese history. My Masters was from Kent State University in 1997. I did research for the Philip Jowett book "The Chinese Army 1937-49:World War II and Civil War" and my name is listed in the acknowledgements section.

[gump]

maria wrote:

<quoted text>lol an egg is not a chicken ..as much as you want it to be it has to hatch before its considered a chicken ..if no one is hatching all you have is eggs ...so all of those dead and the thousands of injured soldiers are eggs that have hatched already and that makes them a chicken ..ANYTHING THAT HAS NOT HATCHED IS AN EGG ....ok was that easy enough smooth brains

WOW What in hell have you injected OR smoked that makes you so friggin stupid. Did you learn it or were you born that way ?

[I hate Every1]

Tuco the Provacateur wrote:

<quoted text>Organic eggs!
Wow, Maria, I may have been reading you all wrong.
Do you also consider our soldiers free range 'chickens', or are they abused?
Yours truly
Tuco

wonder if she would still eat those free range eggs if they have little chicken fetuses half way through their development in them. She keeps refering to zygotes like the moron that she is. Most women don't know they are pregnant in the zygote stage of development. They abort their children in the the fetal stage (as all the photos in fron of abortion clinics prove). but lets not confuse her with the facts. She han't handle them

[watefer]

Eric L wrote:

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Moneylending was one of the FEW professions that Jews could get into. We are agreed on that. The rest of your post does not prove what my point was: Namely that the church played a PASSIVE ROLE (YOUR words, not mine) in fomenting Anti Semitism-that is one of the studpidest quotes that I have ever read regarding Medieval history. Pagan period Rome,China, India were far more tolerant regarding the Jewish religion than Christianity was because these religious beliefs and states did not emphasize that Judaism were the ultimate evil,subjected to pograms, or completely wiped out. In those regards,Christianity (traditional Christian history) is central in understanding how the Holocaust happened in post Medieval Europe and nowhere else.

Is this or is this not your statement?
(simple yes or no will do)

"The church proscribed Jews engaging in moneylending because Jews were already in that profession. Despite the proscription, Jews still engaged in moneylending because it was one of the few means in which Jews could make a living in Medieval Europe and of course, there was a demand for it as well."

[Obama bin Biden]

Devil in a Blue Dress- wrote:

<quoted text>Are you talking about the entire time Chicago has been in existence or since the war?
I think you have your numbers wrong.
100,000 civilians have dies in Iraq alone since the war began.
Are you saying that over 100,000 people have been killed in violent acts in Chicago, since Obama?
Are you saying that over 100,000 people have been killed since Obama became Senator?
You've got to be kidding...provide the link.
Please elaborate...

I am sorry that I didn't provide that info. The source was none other than ABC news a mainstream outlet so you are right the veracity of the story is probably in questionbut it did say ""In the first six months of this year, 199 murders occurred in the streets of Chicago, more American fatalities than in either Afghanistan or Iraq for that period.""

[gump]

Le Jimbo wrote:

<quoted text>As the late Adrian Rogers said, "you cannot multiply wealth by dividing
> it."
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> Professor is a Genius
>
> An economics professor at a local college made a statement that he had
> never failed a single student before,
> but had once failed an entire class.
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> That class had insisted that Obama's socialism worked and that no one
> would be poor and no one would be rich, a great equalizer.
>
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> The professor then said, "OK,
> we will have an experiment in this class on Obama's plan".
>
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> All grades would be averaged and everyone would receive the same grade so
> no one would fail and no one would receive an A.
>
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> After the first test, the grades were averaged and everyone got a B.
> The students who studied hard were upset and the students who studied
> little were happy.
>
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> As the second test rolled around, the students who studied little had
> studied even less and the ones who studied hard decided they wanted a free
> ride too so they studied little.
> The second test average was a D!
> No one was happy.
>
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> When the 3rd test rolled around, the average was an F..
>
> The scores never increased as bickering,
> blame and name-calling all resulted in hard feelings and no one would
> study for the benefit of anyone else.
>
>
> All failed, to their great surprise, and the professor told them that
> socialism would also ultimately fail because when the reward is great, the
> effort to succeed is great but when government takes all the reward away,
> no one will try or want to succeed.
>
>
> Could not be any simpler than that.

A nice way to put it I agree

[Patrick Kenzie]

Eric L wrote:

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My concentration was largely in Chinese history. My Masters was from Kent State University in 1997. I did research for the Philip Jowett book "The Chinese Army 1937-49:World War II and Civil War" and my name is listed in the acknowledgements section.

Interesting period of history.

A Chinese Civil War in progress after the triple seven.

Britain and the US took different diplomatic paths after 1949

[Patrick Kenzie]

Eric L wrote:

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The political science definitions in your classes differ from those in my field of history. The political science definition seems to be closer to sociology in those regards with emphasis on the percentage of elites in society who hold power, wealth and status relative to the general population. The definition of centralized/decentralized in history, especially regarding feudalism compared to the modern nation state that I know is more like that in this lecture(it is a difference of varying definitions):
http://www.vlib.us/medievl

Enjoy reading your posts.

Read Japanese and Chinese history for degrees.

[Raminar Dixon]

Devil in a Blue Dress- wrote:

<quoted text>I think she may have meant to put 100,000, because the actual numer is between 92,000 and 100,000 (and these are just civilians deaths)
http://www.iraqbodycount.org/
Saturday 18 July: 12 dead
Anbar
Garma: bombs kill 7.
Falluja: bomb kills 2 children.
Ninewa
Mosul: 3 die in violence
Whether it is 1,000,000 or 100,000...it's WAY TO MANY!
All the innocent men, women, and children in Iraq that don't want or deserve this.
...not to mention our OWN troops we've lost.
A war based on lies!
The controversy over one aspect of U.S. intelligence on Iraq's WMD -- the nuclear program question -- the whole WMD argument was bogus. To link Iraq on the War on Terror...which news channels refused to do...biggest lie that ever dupped congress.
What was the point of the 100,000 dying?

100,000?

Saddam/Uday/Qsay(sp?) raped/tortured/then killed more people than that on a weekent excursion.

And THAT was when they were being nice....

WHERE is the LIEberal OUTRAGE over human rights violations by Saddam and co?

Iraq was a mistake, but we need to intervene in Darfur? Give me a freakin' break!!!!

Can't the pussy-ass UN handle ANY problems without US?

[GERMANY]

okimar wrote:

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Please be so kind as to come and get Maria and take her back to Germany. Also feel free to kick her azz for giving Germans a bad name over her.....

We don't want Maria back...

[Yankee Yahoo]

Eric L wrote:

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Moneylending was one of the FEW professions that Jews could get into. We are agreed on that. The rest of your post does not prove what my point was: Namely that the church played a PASSIVE ROLE (YOUR words, not mine) in fomenting Anti Semitism-that is one of the studpidest quotes that I have ever read regarding Medieval history. Pagan period Rome,China, India were far more tolerant regarding the Jewish religion than Christianity was because these religious beliefs and states did not emphasize that Judaism were the ultimate evil,subjected to pograms, or completely wiped out. In those regards,Christianity (traditional Christian history) is central in understanding how the Holocaust happened in post Medieval Europe and nowhere else.

http://books.google.com/books...

Antisemitism may have its ancient origins in Germanic culture. Above is one book that suggests this, but I haven't read it all yet. Other sources I recall discuss how as the Germanians slowly took over the Roman Empire (which despised the Jews and other Semitic peoples likes the Carthaginians), they also took over Christianity, institutionalizing Christianity, and breaking with traditional Jewish culture that had still dominated the faith in the first couple of centuries. Roman and Germanic hatred of the Jews was very noticeable.

Antisemitism is much less pronounced in Western Europe (Britain, France) than Germanic and Roman Central Europe (Germany and Italy) or even Eastern Europe.

Cultures endure for centuries, even thousands of years, and bad habits and hatreds are difficult to break, evidently. Something to consider before blaming Christianity (which might have become more like Buddhism if not for the Germanians and Catholics) for what might be the result of culture.

[Le Jimbo]

okimar wrote:

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Bush WAS the problem.... You see,we had a little get together several months ago and did this thing called an election. Thats nwhere we all voted for one of several people to be our leader. A fellopw named Obama got the most votes,so he became the leader. In fact has been since January 20,2009. And in this short time he has spent TONS of money,given jobs to tax cheats and hasn't done a lot of things he said he would if he was elected. There. That should bring you up to speed,OK? You're on your own to keep up now.....

BUSH was a problem, NOTE WAS. Lets let Obama stand or fall on his own two feet.

[Delphinus 13]

maria wrote:

<quoted text>you are wrong and thats that ..germany was rigt wing...the fact is you now dont want to be associated with what killing jews ..i have read many blogs in here ..where liberalists ..underlying blame the jewish media ..ectra for obama ....and blacks for the demise of america despite that blacks only make up 12% of this society and have very little power ..you want to forcibly have woman gestate ..and take over their choices..all of that sounds like a deranged german mop going after jews ..even though it was politics and corporations ..not excluding the american depression that was caused again by robber barons that ..had a big part in the start of ww2....liberalism and socialism does not advocate racsism that is and has been a right wing ..problem ...are you the janitor in that university you work in..besides have you seen the jewish flood the republican party lol eben if some of them are rich ...nooooo why because they know whom you are...right wing racsist social engeneering with jebus idiotic bastards

Nazi was a shortened version of National Socialist, the party of Hitler. Hitler used Fascism to gain state control of all the industries in Germany kind of like the Libs in Congress are trying to do with our banking industry, auto industry, health care, and the Employee Free Choice Act (EFCA) which is an oxymoron.

[I hate Every1]

Yankee Yahoo wrote:

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http://books.google.com/books...
Antisemitism may have its ancient origins in Germanic culture. Above is one book that suggests this, but I haven't read it all yet. Other sources I recall discuss how as the Germanians slowly took over the Roman Empire (which despised the Jews and other Semitic peoples likes the Carthaginians), they also took over Christianity, institutionalizing Christianity, and breaking with traditional Jewish culture that had still dominated the faith in the first couple of centuries. Roman and Germanic hatred of the Jews was very noticeable.
Antisemitism is much less pronounced in Western Europe (Britain, France) than Germanic and Roman Central Europe (Germany and Italy) or even Eastern Europe.
Cultures endure for centuries, even thousands of years, and bad habits and hatreds are difficult to break, evidently. Something to consider before blaming Christianity (which might have become more like Buddhism if not for the Germanians and Catholics) for what might be the result of culture.

interesting analogy. In fact my husband converted to Bhuddism because it was more like Christianity then the church he grew up in

[Battlecat]

The ugly face behind the mask of liberalism? Nancy Pelosi!

[Eric L]

Yankee Yahoo,
The Germanic roots regarding anti Semitism likely does have some relevance, though the anti Semitism of the Romans of the pagan period was more garden variety bigotry at worst than the unique phenomena that came later. For all of the worst ambivalence that existed there, Jews still had roles in that Roman society and held various professions with high status (not nearly the hatred akin to the Cathaginians who seemed to have disappeared after the Third Punic War). After Christianity took over the Roman state,some truly extreme anti Semitism appeared on the scene. Part of this was that Christianity saw Judaism as a competing religion for converts and wanted to differentiate itself from it, some due to the blood libel accusations regarding the Crucifiction,and partly because the Jews (like diehard pagans) wouldn't convert to Christianity.
Italians after Christianity took hold became more anti Semitic due to the Christian teachings like Jerome, Chrysostom, Ambrose, Tertullian, Augustine, but these influences likely had an even more extreme impact among the Germanic Christians because unlike Italians, fewer likely had much of any contact with Jews before they read these works.Most of the Jewish settlement patterns in Europe were around the Mediterranean during the late Roman, through Dark Ages periods. That lack of personal exposure combined with a religious belief that treated the Jews like a foreign plague likely had an even worse impact on Germanic anti Semitism.The greater emphasis on war and less on ethical meaning played a role too.

[Eric L]

Patrick Kenzie wrote:

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Enjoy reading your posts.
Read Japanese and Chinese history for degrees.

Much interesting history from there. I was even considering Greece and Rome for a minor,but that would've been overload (maybe someday I will complete those too).