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Barack Obama Campaigns with "Ex-Gay" Donnie McClurkin

There are 16 comments on the Rod 2.0 story from Oct 22, 2007, titled Barack Obama Campaigns with "Ex-Gay" Donnie McClurkin. In it, Rod 2.0 reports that:

“By teaching young people that they can pray their way out of who they are, he is essentially creating a generation of newly confused adolescents.”

The 2008 election cycle cruises into a fresh round of gay-bashing. On the same weekend the Republican presidential candidates pander to the Christian Right and attempt to cast themselves as "true" social ... via Rod 2.0

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Steve McKamey

Kokomo, IN

#1 Oct 24, 2007
Why does everyone immediatedly see this as "Gay Bashing" and no one sees this for what it truly is? The homosexual lobby is racist! And they have openly admitted it! For years they have decried that they can not help being gay, and that it is no different than being black or white, they are just born that way. Now, all of the sudden, it is no longer an issue of choice or not, but who is more important. The gay community ony makes up less than 2% of the entire U.S. population (despite popular claims that they are closer to 10%.) But they have come forward, and told a black presidential candidate that their vote is more important to him than the votes of his own people! It's outrageous, and it exposes the homosexual lobby as a bunch of racist bigots, who don't care about anyone but themselves! This is the truth of this entire situation, not that Barack Obama or Donnie McClurkin are "bashing" the gays. They are only exercising their first amendment rights by giving their opinions.
prophetess elijah

AOL

#2 Oct 24, 2007
Mr. Obama needs to reposition himself with T.D. Jakes..and not a passed abused man. That's a blessing..to seek his own comrads in Christ. AND be equally yoked with his Bishops, not paged pawns.
Be ye wise..and pray for the brother in Christ..it's a good thing. Obama is a blessed man,
who loves GOD and his righteousness. Hilary studies and copies him, but Obama don't know it..
If anyone knows Obama, please tell him, to e-mail, me..I have a prayer msg. [email protected] God Bless
Renren

Aiken, SC

#3 Oct 24, 2007
WOW, I didn't know democrats were affiliated with anything religious. Why is it considered "gay bashing" to have religious convictions?

Personally, I believe that we should love everyone, especially those who, we view, have sin in their life...because we all do!

BTW...Is it more ethical to bash Christians than gays?
Jimmie

Wilmer, TX

#4 Oct 25, 2007
Donnie McClurkin is a man who was sexually abused when he was a child. It may very well be that his orientation was indeed a heterosexual before this happened to him. Unfortunately, sometimes when someone is sexually molested, they may respond by seeking what it is they were "taught" via the abuse: same sex relations. They may do this because their true orientation was altered due to the abuse. I mean, let's face it, people! You can have a sexually abused hetrosexual man who delves in homosexuality as a result of the abuse when he truly is not homosexual. You can have a sexually abused homosexual man who delves in homosexuality when he really is homosexual. The same goes for females. Donnie McClurkin is simply sharing his experience (which is not everyone's experience) and telling how his life has changed for the better. And he gives God the glory. On the other hand, however, there are others who are homosexual, myself included, who have never been sexually abused whose live are for the better as well and we give God the glory. Why? Differing experiences. We are not to judge, but love one another. For love is God and God is love. I believe some people do choose to live homosexual lives (ie. have same sex oriented relationships), but I find it to be a mistake to have that belief and assume that if one person chose it then all others chose it as well. You can BE a homosexual and not act on it, but you would still BE a homosexual. The same goes for hetrosexuals. There really is no choice in being, but only in acting upon. Whether chosen or not, there is nothing wrong with being gay. If it is wrong, it is so to those who believe it to be wrong. However, belief does not necessarily constitute fact. It is simply a faith that believes something to be true because it sits well in one's individual spirit/heart. And since we all are not the same individual, but are uniquely different, our hearts and spirits will not always agree. As I always say, always in love, but not always in agreement. Comments welcomed at [email protected]
howard

AOL

#5 Oct 26, 2007
Why is not the Obama campaign not asking gosple groups form Soul Force or MCC to join his Gospel tour. That would show that he is not being a hypocrite.
help

United States

#6 Oct 26, 2007
just a democrat trick to keep the clintons from having to run against someone credible.
American

Mount Vernon, MO

#7 Oct 26, 2007
Your fooling no one but yourselves and surely not the Lord.

Either you believe the Word of the Lord and abide therein or you don't. If you do not you have no place in fellowship with the Body Of Christ and are not of Christ. Num 23:19 God is not a man, that he should lie.

2Co 6:14 Be ye not unequally yoked together with unbelievers: for what fellowship hath righteousness with unrighteousness? and what communion hath light with darkness?
2Co 6:15 And what concord hath Christ with Belial? or what part hath he that believeth with an infidel?

Rom 1:24 Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonor their own bodies between themselves:
Rom 1:25 Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshiped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed forever. Amen.
Rom 1:26 For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature:
Rom 1:27 And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompense of their error which was meet.
Rom 1:28 And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient;

Luk 6:46 And why call ye me, Lord, Lord, and do not the things which I say?

1Co 6:15 Know ye not that your bodies are the members of Christ? shall I then take the members of Christ, and make them the members of a harlot? God forbid.

Mat 7:20 Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.
Mat 7:21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.

1Co 6:9 Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,
1Co 6:10 Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.

Lev 18:22 Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination.

Rom 6:1 What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound?
Rom 6:2 God forbid. How shall we, that are dead to sin, live any longer therein?

(Galatians 6:7) Be not deceived; God is not mocked: for whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap.

(2 Thessalonians 2:10) And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.

(2 Thessalonians 2:11) And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:

(1 Corinthians 2:14) But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know [them], because they are spiritually discerned.

(1 Corinthians 2:15) But he that is spiritual judgeth all things, yet he himself is judged of no man.

(1 Corinthians 2:16) For who hath known the mind of the Lord, that he may instruct him? But we have the mind of Christ.
Jimmie

United States

#8 Oct 26, 2007
America, I'll try to keep these as short as I can (smile)

America: Either you believe the Word of the Lord and abide therein or you don't. If you do not you have no place in fellowship with the Body Of Christ and are not of Christ. Num 23:19 God is not a man, that he should lie.

Jimmie: For you, the Word of the Lord is the bible and all in it, but that is YOUR faith. So, you should live your life according to your faith. If it is not another's faith then they should not be expected to live by your faith. I believe you can share your faith, but the only person you should expect to live by your faith is YOU. Why? Because it's yours, not someone eles's.

American: You quoted Romans 1:24-28.

Jimmie: This text has homosexuality involved in it, but is not about today's homosexual issue of two people who love one another. This text refers to pagan idol worship. Thus its references to images and idols made to look like man and beasts. Homosexual acts (and others) were involved in pagan idol worship. This does not make homosexual acts a sin. Heterosexual acts were committed in these religious rituals as well. That does not make heterosexual acts a sin either.

America: Luk 6:46 And why call ye me, Lord, Lord, and do not the things which I say?

Jimmie: Apparently, you take all things written in the bible to be what the Lord said. I do not. If that were the case, all women would have to not speak in church and only ask questions of their husbands at home. Slavery would also be acceptable by my standards if I believed all that the bible said.

America:(What a pretty name, by the way) You wrote the following: 1Co 6:9 Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,
1Co 6:10 Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.

Jimmie: What does this have to do with homosexuality?
Jimmie

United States

#9 Oct 26, 2007
America: Lev 18:22 Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination.

Jimmie: This is an easy verse to use against homosexuality, but CONTEXT is important in all things. This is about, again, pagan idolatrous worship. The word abomination, in this context, means idolatry. It says do not do this because "it is idolatry". What was going on was sex practices being done in the context of idol worship to false gods or images...idols! 1Kings 11:7 is also another example. In that verse, the word abomination means "idol" because the verse gives the name of the idol and calls it an abomination of Moab (ie. an idol of Moab). I believe Leviticus chapter 20 references men who go a whoring after idols.

America: Rom 6:1 What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound?
Rom 6:2 God forbid. How shall we, that are dead to sin, live any longer therein?

Jimmie: Again, context is key. However, I am going to just focus on grace here. What is grace? My understanding is that it is UNEARNED FAVOR. That means, it is given to someone without that someone having done anything to earn it. You don't have to meet a particular requirement to get grace. It's just given freely by the giver. Does this mean I believe God does not care if we do what we want because we have grace? No. It means God loves us so much that while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us. And we are still sinners after Christ died for us. But our sins have already been forgiven by the act on the cross. To do anything in life is not good. It can be damaging to one's self and others.

Most of the other things you posted are merely quotes about how Christians believe that they must have the mind of Christ. I don't disagree with that, except anyone can have the mind of Christ. Christ's law is love. Love is God and God is love. Above all other laws, there is love for one's neighbor and loving them as self. It is also loving God. But when you really look at Christ's law, it deals with loving others. When you love others, you ARE loving God because how you treat someone is in God's eyes, I believe, how God sees you treating God "Himself". And if you say you love God then that should be evident in your love for others regardless of who they are. Hey, you can disagree with other people and what they may believe, but you'd better love them still and act like it! I doubt that God expects all men to agree. That is impossible and I believe God knows that. Just look at the bible. You have quotes from all parts of the bible, but not everyone will agree with you (or me) on the meaning of each quote. That's because we all see things differently. Obviously, you seem to not take context in consideration when quoting texts while I do consider context. If I tell you that the bible says women should be silent in church and ask questions of their husbands at home and I show you where it says that, would you receive that in the same manner you expect me (and others) to receive the texts you quoted above? Hmmmm.
Jimmie

United States

#10 Oct 26, 2007
America, I'll try to keep these as short as I can (smile)

America: Either you believe the Word of the Lord and abide therein or you don't. If you do not you have no place in fellowship with the Body Of Christ and are not of Christ. Num 23:19 God is not a man, that he should lie.

Jimmie: For you, the Word of the Lord is the bible and all in it, but that is YOUR faith. So, you should live your life according to your faith. If it is not another's faith then they should not be expected to live by your faith. I believe you can share your faith, but the only person you should expect to live by your faith is YOU. Why? Because it's yours, not someone eles's.

American: You quoted Romans 1:24-28.

Jimmie: This text has homosexuality involved in it, but is not about today's homosexual issue of two people who love one another. This text refers to pagan idol worship. Thus its references to images and idols made to look like man and beasts. Homosexual acts (and others) were involved in pagan idol worship. This does not make homosexual acts a sin. Heterosexual acts were committed in these religious rituals as well. That does not make heterosexual acts a sin either.

America: Luk 6:46 And why call ye me, Lord, Lord, and do not the things which I say?

Jimmie: Apparently, you take all things written in the bible to be what the Lord said. I do not. If that were the case, all women would have to not speak in church and only ask questions of their husbands at home. Slavery would also be acceptable by my standards if I believed all that the bible said.

America:(What a pretty name, by the way) You wrote the following: 1Co 6:9 Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,
1Co 6:10 Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.

Jimmie: What does this have to do with homosexuality?
Jimmie

United States

#11 Oct 26, 2007
American, I'll try to keep these as short as I can (smile)

American: Either you believe the Word of the Lord and abide therein or you don't. If you do not you have no place in fellowship with the Body Of Christ and are not of Christ. Num 23:19 God is not a man, that he should lie.

Jimmie: For you, the Word of the Lord is the bible and all in it, but that is YOUR faith. So, you should live your life according to your faith. If it is not another's faith then they should not be expected to live by your faith. I believe you can share your faith, but the only person you should expect to live by your faith is YOU. Why? Because it's yours, not someone eles's.

American: You quoted Romans 1:24-28.

Jimmie: This text has homosexuality involved in it, but is not about today's homosexual issue of two people who love one another. This text refers to pagan idol worship. Thus its references to images and idols made to look like man and beasts. Homosexual acts (and others) were involved in pagan idol worship. This does not make homosexual acts a sin. Heterosexual acts were committed in these religious rituals as well. That does not make heterosexual acts a sin either.

American: Luk 6:46 And why call ye me, Lord, Lord, and do not the things which I say?

Jimmie: Apparently, you take all things written in the bible to be what the Lord said. I do not. If that were the case, all women would have to not speak in church and only ask questions of their husbands at home. Slavery would also be acceptable by my standards if I believed all that the bible said.

American:(What a pretty name, by the way) You wrote the following: 1Co 6:9 Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,
1Co 6:10 Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.

Jimmie: What does this have to do with homosexuality?
Jimmie

Dallas, TX

#12 Oct 27, 2007
If anyone here can delete my last two duplicat posts, that would be great. I don't know how to do that. I initially posted these last night and one whole post was too long, so I had to post two instead of one big one. When I posted half of the whole post, it took the first half, but when I tried to post the second half of the big post I had, it ended up replacing the first post with the second post. So, I decided to wait until the morning to post the second half and lo and behold, it ended up posting all of my efforts resulting in duplicates. Sorry!!!
Majic

Ashburn, VA

#13 Oct 30, 2007
First of all, I guess “strongly urging” to have Donnie dropped didn’t work. I think it was a bias request because it says gays want to be accepted for their belief (OK to be gay), but don’t want others to be accepted despite their beliefs (Not OK to be gay).

I also think challenging African-American religious leaders is misleading. Gays ONLY challenge the Christian religion, because Muslims and Jews don’t accept them PERIOD. You would think that gays would appreciate Christianity for embracing them when the others don’t. Not going to happen though. You give a person an inch, you know the rest.

People will have to be legally blind to believe that a person’s skin color can be compared to two people of the same gender having sex. Do you see how stupid that sounds? Oh, and FYI, what is even more stupid, it’s always compared to black skin, no other color. The trick is this—It’s like being black, why we would want the controversy? Good question.

When it comes to God, he doesn’t approve of sex out of wedlock. Is there a such thing as a gay virgin? I’ll wait for the answer. Time’s up. I didn’t think so either. Homosexuality is about sex and that’s it. You can love people of the same gender, but CAN’T YOU KEEP YOUR LEGS CLOTHES? I hope no one does to your children what was done to Donnie as child.

This is my conclusion, if all people want to bring their sexual issues to church, you have to accept the following 3 rules and warning.

1. All adulterers, fornicators, masturbators, child molesters and homosexuals will have equal say, without being shut out.
2. All of the issues must be brought up in the Mosques, Temples and Churches everywhere.
3. You must also accept bestiality, because some people say they were born that way. It’s happening in Europe --> http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2005/may/25/b...

Warning - Do not tell God that the religious people said “you can be gay.” Remember religious people don’t have a Heaven or Hell for you.
Jimmie

Wilmer, TX

#14 Oct 30, 2007
Majic said:

First of all, I guess “strongly urging” to have Donnie dropped didn’t work. I think it was a bias request because it says gays want to be accepted for their belief (OK to be gay), but don’t want others to be accepted despite their beliefs (Not OK to be gay).

Jimmie says:

I agree to an extent. If SOME gays want Donnie dropped, it would be no surprise if they felt that way because SOME gay people do not want it being said that being gay is a choice. However, that’s just SOME gay people. Some of us who are gay do realize that SOME people do choose to have same sex relationships while for others, it is not a choice similar to deciding what you will wear when you wake up in the morning. Whether you’re gay or not gay, people should learn that there are other beliefs other than theirs and that if one person can share their views then the next person, who might disagree with their views, can share their views as well.

Majic said:

I also think challenging African-American religious leaders is misleading. Gays ONLY challenge the Christian religion, because Muslims and Jews don’t accept them PERIOD. You would think that gays would appreciate Christianity for embracing them when the others don’t. Not going to happen though. You give a person an inch, you know the rest.

Jimmie says:

Why is challenging African American religious leaders misleading? Gay people challenge other religions as well, I’m sure. Christianity is challenged more so probably because it is the more prominent religion around and the one that seemingly opposes homosexuality more openly and publicly than is heard by any other religion.

Majic said:

People will have to be legally blind to believe that a person’s skin color can be compared to two people of the same gender having sex. Do you see how stupid that sounds? Oh, and FYI, what is even more stupid, it’s always compared to black skin, no other color. The trick is this—It’s like being black, why we would want the controversy? Good question.

Jimmie says:

Comparing sexual orientation with skin color is not a stupid comparison. It is only such to one who may deem sexual orientation a choice one makes. As stated earlier, SOME choose to have same sex relationships. SOME have no choice in the matter. As it is a natural for some to be oriented toward the same gender. Jesus knew this when he spoke of eunuchs. One does not choose to be naturally attracted to a particular gender. One just realizes that one is attracted to a particular gender. A choice can be found in whether or not to act upon the attraction, but the choice is NOT in the actual manifestation of the attraction. Heterosexuals do not choose to be heterosexuals. They discover their orientation as they grow up from a baby to toddler to adolescence to adulthood. It’s something one discovers. Not something one chose as if from option A or option B by their friends, family, etc.

Majic said:

When it comes to God, he doesn’t approve of sex out of wedlock.

Jimmie says:

Then y’all had better pass a law for gays to get married (smile). Because if as a heterosexual you could not marry, what would you do? There is also the aspect of wedlock or marriage. Specifically, the definition of it. Mainly, whether one has to be LEGALLY married in order to be considered actually married. For bible folks, was Adam and Eve married with a piece of paper? Marriages are not even the same today as they were in bible times. If they were and we were to emulate them, daughters would still be living at home until married and brothers in law would be expected to sleep with their deceased brother’s wife (ie. Onan). So, when it’s said that God does not approve of sex outside of marriage, I ask what makes a marriage a marriage? A piece of paper or that inward, indescribable love connection that is shared between two people who have committed their lives together and their love and life manifest evidence of that commitment?
Jimmie

Wilmer, TX

#15 Oct 30, 2007
Majic said:

Is there a such thing as a gay virgin? I’ll wait for the answer. Time’s up. I didn’t think so either.

Jimmie says:

Why wouldn’t there be? Do you know every gay person on earth to accurately conclude that no gay virgins exist? You know there was nobody here to answer you when you asked the question in the first place. That’s why you were still waiting for an answer. LOL.

Majic said:

Homosexuality is about sex and that’s it.

Jimmie says:

Talk about being blind! After you’ve interviewed every gay person in the world then and only then can you say homosexuality is only about sex. That’s like saying heterosexuality is only about sex. Now, that’s stupid. You’re not stupid, but the statement is stupid!

Majic said:

You can love people of the same gender, but CAN’T YOU KEEP YOUR LEGS CLOTHES? I hope no one does to your children what was done to Donnie as child.

Jimmie says:

It sounds like your view of each individual gay person is based on what was done to Donnie. This is an unsound premise. You imply that gay people only are about sex and that we just can’t stop having it. You really don’t know my life then!! You have been misinformed apparently. And if you don’t believe the words that are coming out of my fingertips (lol) as a gay man (the very type of person you are making comments on) then you just simply CHOOSE not to hear me.

Also, to compare two people of the same gender who love one another to bestiality is right up there with your belief that comparing sexual orientation with skin color is stupid.
naw525

United States

#16 Jun 28, 2008
Why are people so concerned about who Obama speaks to,sits down with etc. I have not seen you do this to others.Leave him and his family alone. In the end he will be the victor and you the loser for trying to judge others there is but one Judge...God,Allah,or whatever you choose to call him. Keep watching, you will see.

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