Bourbon County smoke-free advocates push for smoking ban

Nov 20, 2011 | Posted by: roboblogger | Full story: Lexington Herald-Leader

Chuck Newberry, 51, of Paris prepares to sink a ball at Bezeau's Bluegrass Billiards in downtown Paris.

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I smoke, I have rights.
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You don't have the right to infect non smokers like myself & especially children with nasty & toxic smoke.
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Smoker wrote:
I smoke, I have rights.
You smoke. Those around you merit protection.

You have addiction. You need treatment.
Rights my ARSE

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Smoker wrote:
I smoke, I have rights.
You have a "right" to go out next to the dumpster and smoke until your black lungs are content.
Hugh Jass

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Rights my ARSE wrote:
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You have a "right" to go out next to the dumpster and smoke until your black lungs are content.
At least until the dumpsters' union gets organized over THEIR rights.
Freedom

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Hugh Jass wrote:
You smoke. Those around you merit protection.
Since one is never forced onto private property the right to freedom of association provides all of the protection one could ever need from things they find offensive or even dangerous...does it not?

Post a simple sign warning about your kinds phobia, and there can be no harm unless it is voluntary.
Hugh Jass wrote:
You have addiction. You need treatment.
I bet the coffee "addicts" laugh at you as well, and just how well does your worn out tactic of demonization work on the non-smokers who oppose your beloved left wing collectivist Nanny State...and all it stands for?

Now speaking of "treatment"...you really should get help for your narcissistic tendencies as it is clear that your addiction to controlling others has clouded your judgement.
Rights my ARSE

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Freedom wrote:
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Since one is never forced onto private property the right to freedom of association provides all of the protection one could ever need from things they find offensive or even dangerous...does it not?
OH FOR CHRIST SAKES FREEDUMB, not the "private property rights" CRAP again! We are talking about a BUSINESS that is open to the public that has employees and applied for and was granted a License. A license that agrees that you the OWNER will abide by the laws, codes and ordinances. If you don't agree with the license, yes you have every "RIGHT" to find another line of work. Until then please smoke outside, next to the dumpsters where you belong, except on trash pick-up day as you don't want to harm the trash collectors with your second hand smoke as they need protection too!!!
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Freedom wrote:
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Since one is never forced onto private property the right to freedom of association provides all of the protection one could ever need from things they find offensive or even dangerous...does it not?
Post a simple sign warning about your kinds phobia, and there can be no harm unless it is voluntary.
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Same old same old. As a caffeine addict, I occasionally do think I should quit. As a user who gets my fix in a manor that is not intrinsically harmful to those around me, however, I don't regard quitting as a necessity.

Secondhand smoke harms smokers as well as nonsmokers. Bottom line is that more and more areas and jurisdictions around the world are enacting laws to reduce the impact your preferred addiction has on others. In part, this means they aren't dismissing the harm to nicotine addicts with "well, it's voluntary".

The world has begun refusing to be your enablers. Get over it.

You're a bore, boor.
Freedom

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Same old same old. As a caffeine addict, I occasionally do think I should quit. As a user who gets my fix in a manor that is not intrinsically harmful to those around me, however, I don't regard quitting as a necessity.
Secondhand smoke harms smokers as well as nonsmokers. Bottom line is that more and more areas and jurisdictions around the world are enacting laws to reduce the impact your preferred addiction has on others. In part, this means they aren't dismissing the harm to nicotine addicts with "well, it's voluntary".
The world has begun refusing to be your enablers. Get over it.
You're a bore, boor.
You don't have to convince me that the world is abandoning the free market and has instead turned to socialistic/collectivist principles that ignore the right to freedom of association as well as the rights of private property.

The results of your kinds ideology is now clear for the whole world to see, and your kinds beloved socialistic/collectivist nightmare has resulted in not only our nation being flat out bankrupt, but Europe as well.

Collectivists such as yourself have no use for the rights of the individual nor for that of private property, and rather than using your right to freedom of association, your kind steals others property rights by appealing to the collective with irrational fears based on junk science.

History already knows the results of your kinds insanity, but by golly...your kind is bound and determined to repeat it.

Now why don't you be a good little collectivist...and go find some Happy Meal junkies or salt addicts to demonize and hassle?
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I think if you don't like smoke stay out of the poolroom and bars. I don't like porn, I don't watch it. However, I am not protesting that anyone else don't watch it. Live and let live!
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Amazed wrote:
I think if you don't like smoke stay out of the poolroom and bars. I don't like porn, I don't watch it. However, I am not protesting that anyone else don't watch it. Live and let live!
"Live and let Live" I agree, let me live if you want to smoke go outside! I spend alot of money in poolrooms so I think it would be great if they put a smoking ban in place! I don't go to church but I don't stand outside there and tell people not to go!
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I think if you don't like smoke stay out of the poolroom and bars. I don't like porn, I don't watch it. However, I am not protesting that anyone else don't watch it. Live and let live!
Here's the problem "Slick", I enjoy playing pool, shooting darts, listening to music, dancing, socializing, etc. Now that only 20% of the population smokes I'm no longer willing to stay home and give up my entertainment because of someone else's smoking habit. If you want to smoke just step outside, smoke and step back in. How dare you think I should stay home, you have the smoking problem not me, sounds to me IT'S YOUR turn to stay the hell home.

It works great in states that have strict smoking restrictions and smokers understand that their habit is no longer socially accepted and politely step outside smoke and step back in. Such an easy fix for a real health problem. It's a win win for all!
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What is crazy is that how 'others' can tell people how to live, what to do, how to be, live.

I bet if it had something to do with what they were involved in they would 'fight' to stop it.

Just like these wonderful church going folks. You go to church, talk oh so nice to everyone, then get out of church and gossip about your neighbors, go home and grap a beer or run to your mistress or lover. All Hypocrits. If you don't believe it, read some of the wonderful CHURCH posts on this site. What they doing IN Church and OUTSIDE Of church. Just the kind of people behind this "SMOKING BAN"

ALL the Gooody TWO SHOES, TWO FACE. Turn the cheek.

Do as I say, not as I do.
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thank you to all that smoke,,,,I was a smoker for 46 years but I quite,that was MY CHOICE not thiers,,Leave people alone and tend to your own rat-killin as the old sayin is,,,If you dont want to smell it,dont enter the bhussiness,,its REAL SIMPLE,how much planner can it be made,,,other than dumbass Donny Foley wanting to be in thwe paper again and again,,,,its all politics
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I think everyone is missing the point. There are a couple of issues that are being overlooked. First, how can a local, city, state or Federal government tell a business owner that his customers can not use a legal product in their establishment. It should be the owner's decision to allow smoking or not to allow smoking. The consumer can, and should, tell every business that they purchase goods or services from, what their position is on smoking in that business. If the majority of his customers want smoking banned from that business, the owner would ban smoking in his business. It should not be forced on the business owner by someone who might be or might not be his customer. I understand the effect of second hand smoke. It is YOUR choice, the consumer's choice to enter or not to enter a business that does allow smoking. We have too many local, state and Federal regulations now, we don't need this type of mandatory regulations. Maybe these "advocates" could be more productive putting their energy and resources into educating kids on the harmful effects of smoking.
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ate and Federal regulations now, we don't need this type of mandatory regulations. Maybe these "advocates" could be more productive putting their energy and resources into educating kids on the harmful effects of smoking.

Could not agree more. Great point.

They want to force their Point on everyone. Not just business, but outside, anywhere. How is that possible?

They are organized, ran a half page ad in paper. Making noise with the local government.

Next thing you know, NO SMOKING, anywhere, outside or in. Yet, cigarette purchasing is legal?

Maybe I am 'crazy' but I see some real infrigment on RIGHTS here.
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A different set of eyes wrote:
I think everyone is missing the point. There are a couple of issues that are being overlooked. First, how can a local, city, state or Federal government tell a business owner that his customers can not use a legal product in their establishment.
Ah, I see. You favor making smoking entirely illegal. I'm okay with that.
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A different set of eyes wrote:
I think everyone is missing the point. There are a couple of issues that are being overlooked. First, how can a local, city, state or Federal government tell a business owner that his customers can not use a legal product in their establishment. It should be the owner's decision to allow smoking or not to allow smoking. The consumer can, and should, tell every business that they purchase goods or services from, what their position is on smoking in that business. If the majority of his customers want smoking banned from that business, the owner would ban smoking in his business. It should not be forced on the business owner by someone who might be or might not be his customer. I understand the effect of second hand smoke. It is YOUR choice, the consumer's choice to enter or not to enter a business that does allow smoking. We have too many local, state and Federal regulations now, we don't need this type of mandatory regulations. Maybe these "advocates" could be more productive putting their energy and resources into educating kids on the harmful effects of smoking.
Did you just fall off the Turnip Truck? The local, city, state and Federal government tells a business owner ALL THE TIME what the Owner can and can't do. Ever hear of Health Inspectors that can shut a business down in a quick minute? Ever hear of the Fire Marshall that can also shut a business down in a quick minute?
Second Hand Smoke is a health hazard to any employee or patron and should be banned from any business.

Legal products? Many legal products have restrictions on them to protect society. Ever hear of "Guns", they are legal products but have many restrictions on them. "Alcohol" is a legal product but has many restrictions on the use, sale and distribution. "Vehicles" are a legal product but has many restrictions on them, ever hear of speed restrictions or seat belts?

Your ignorance really shines through when you state that it should be the "Owners Decision". I'm still shaking my head at you on that one! So do we let the business owner decide everything? Is he the expert on everything, fire, safety, health? Who he hires? Minimum Wage? Race? Isn't the owner out there to make a buck or two, where will he cut corners to make a buck?

We live in a society where we expect our lawmakers to protect us, even those that are too stupid to understand why. It's called living in a Civilized Society.
When a legal product is found to be potentially harmful to employees and patrons then restrictions need to be implemented.

This is such an easy fix, smokers just need to step outside smoke and step back in. It works great and is the norm in many states and business doesn't suffer one bit.
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This is such an easy fix, smokers just need to step outside smoke and step back in. It works great and is the norm in many states and business doesn't suffer one bit.

The Organized Non Smokers Coalition or whatever it is called is trying to take that right away. The right to smoke anywhere, outside INCLUDED. Are you aware of THAT ????
Are you ok with that ??????

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