The notion that wind power can be che...

The notion that wind power can be cheap is just more hot air

There are 34 comments on the The Daily Star story from Mar 21, 2012, titled The notion that wind power can be cheap is just more hot air. In it, The Daily Star reports that:

Efforts to stem global warming have nurtured a strong urge worldwide to deploy renewable energy.

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“Happy, warm and comfortable”

Since: Oct 10

Mountain retreat, SE Spain

#1 Mar 22, 2012
This is a real eye opener for any advocate of wind power.

"Using a standard climate model, by 2100, the U.K.’s huge outlay will have postponed global warming by just over 10 days."
"A new report by University of Edinburgh professor Gordon Hughes for the Global Warming Policy Foundation estimates that 36 GW of new wind power would cost $190 billion for just 23 megatons of carbon-dioxide reduction per year. In other words, temperature rises would be postponed by a mere 66 hours by the end of the century.

Contrary to what many think, the cost of both onshore and offshore wind power has not been coming down. On the contrary, it has been going up over the past decade. The United Nations Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change acknowledged this in its most recent renewable-energy report. Likewise, the U.K. Energy Research Center laments that wind-power costs have “risen significantly since the mid-2000s.”
LessHypeMoreFact

Concord, Canada

#2 Mar 22, 2012
Earthling-1 wrote:
This is a real eye opener for any advocate of wind power.
More nonsense from Bjorn Lomborg? A statistician gone political? His main message is 'give ME the money, I'll fix it!'. Still trying to use his 'message' to drive 'geo-engineering' projects to give himself megabucks. You gotta admire a true carny like that.

But one loon congratulating another doesn't impress.

The BUSINESS world has found that wind compares favorably with heavily subsidized coal and with much fewer pollutants.

The real nonsense in his diatribe is using the 'backup power' argument. You could equally claim that HYDRO power was impossible. After all, the stream is heavy is spring and weak in fall, there being no guarantee of flow and the gradient being so low you would need to have pipes from way upriver with the friction in the pipe taking most of the power.

So add the cost of 'standby coal' generators and hydro is obviously a loser. Such obvious lunacy shows clearly when you just transfer the argument to a similar venue.

Of course, everyone knows that you build hydro power behind DAMS because it 'levels' power while at the same time increasing the 'head' of water to the turbines. Power storage. Just as with wind. Pumped hydro is, in fact, one of the best ways of storing wind energy produced in excess at some period of the day for release during times of want.
LessHypeMoreFact

Concord, Canada

#3 Mar 22, 2012
http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2012/fe...

"Wind power still gets lower public subsidies than fossil fuel tax breaksFinancial support for renewable energy under attack as gas, oil and coal still subsidised to far greater extent, data shows
LessHypeMoreFact

Concord, Canada

#4 Mar 22, 2012
"The UK's greater subsidies for fossil fuels mirrors the global situation, with the International Energy Agency recently showing that, in the 37 countries it analysed, oil, gas and coal received $409bn (£261bn) in 2010 compared with $66bn for renewable energy. Wooders noted the IEA analysis excluded support for the exploration and recovery of oil and gas, which he estimates to be worth about $100bn a year, and that fossil fuel subsidies have not been declining in recent years."
LessHypeMoreFact

Concord, Canada

#5 Mar 22, 2012
The large-scale wind energy sector now accounts for a larger UK workforce than the entire coal industry, according to statistics released today.

RenewableUK, the renewable industry trade association, has published the most comprehensive ever employment figures for the wind energy industry, showing a 91 per cent increase in full-time employment in the sector between 2007/8 and 2009/10.

The growth in employment stands in contrast to the overall UK employment level, which has shrunk during the same period by 3.4 per cent.
LessHypeMoreFact

Concord, Canada

#6 Mar 22, 2012
http://bnef.com/PressReleases/view/139

"The cost of electricity generated from wind is now at record lows: several projects in high resource areas (US, Brazil, Sweden, Mexico) display a levelised cost of energy – excluding the impact of subsidies but after including the cost of capital and maintenance – below EUR 50/MWh ($68/MWh). This compares to current estimated average costs of $67 per MWh for coal-fired power and $56 per MWh for gas-fired power. "

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#7 Mar 22, 2012
NobodyYouEverWantToKnow, alias:
LessFactMoreHype wrote:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/envi ronment/2012/feb/27/wind-power -subsidy-fossil-fuels
"Wind power still gets lower public subsidies than fossil fuel tax breaksFinancial support for renewable energy under attack as gas, oil and coal still subsidised to far greater extent, data shows
Why would anyone be surprised that a system which generates only a tiny amount of power requirements gets lower subsidies, Mr Undoubtably Spelt Fourty?

“Happy, warm and comfortable”

Since: Oct 10

Mountain retreat, SE Spain

#8 Mar 22, 2012
NobodyYouEverWantToKnow, alias:
LessFactMoreHype wrote:
The large-scale wind energy sector now accounts for a larger UK workforce than the entire coal industry, according to statistics released today.
RenewableUK, the renewable industry trade association, has published the most comprehensive ever employment figures for the wind energy industry, showing a 91 per cent increase in full-time employment in the sector between 2007/8 and 2009/10.
The growth in employment stands in contrast to the overall UK employment level, which has shrunk during the same period by 3.4 per cent.
Proving only one thing, that it takes a larger workforce to maintain a power generation system that produces only a tiny proportion of the UK's power demand.
Taking that into consideration, wind generated power will always be expensive.
John

United States

#9 Mar 22, 2012
Why would we want to give tax breaks to a industry that gets fatter every day at the taxpayer expense ? The fossil fuel industry has us "bent over" and they ream us out every day. But i guess you enjoy a good reaming ......

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Since: Oct 10

Mountain retreat, SE Spain

#10 Mar 22, 2012
Addendum:
Anyone involved in wind power production will speak highly of the product.
Same goes for solar power products and chocolate.
John

United States

#11 Mar 22, 2012
EarthWorm-1 wrote:
Addendum:
Anyone involved in wind power production will speak highly of the product.
Same goes for solar power products and chocolate.
Anyone NOT familiar with wind and solar are just blowing smoke because they only know what they hear and have no real knowledge.
litesong

Marysville, WA

#12 Mar 22, 2012
Addendum:

'steenking piddling diddling middling mudling mudslinger dirtling' is a slimy steenking filthy vile reprobate rooting(& rotting) racist pukey proud pig.
YouHelpFixIt

Nottingham, MD

#13 Mar 22, 2012
litesong wrote:
Addendum:
'steenking piddling diddling middling mudling mudslinger dirtling' is a slimy steenking filthy vile reprobate rooting(& rotting) racist pukey proud pig.
You are babbling again.
litesong

Marysville, WA

#14 Mar 22, 2012
litesong wrote:
'steenking piddling diddling middling mudling mudslinger dirtling' is a slimy steenking filthy vile reprobate rooting(& rotting) racist pukey proud pig.
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'steenking piddling diddling middling mudling mudslinger ihelpbustit' wrote:
You are babbling again.
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litesong wrote:
Constantly,'steenking piddling diddling middling mudling mudslinger ihelpbustit' supports a racist pig, so becomes a slimy steenking filthy vile reprobate rooting(& rotting) racist pukey proud pig.

“Happy, warm and comfortable”

Since: Oct 10

Mountain retreat, SE Spain

#15 Mar 23, 2012
YouHelpFixIt wrote:
You are babbling again.
He can't stop babbling.

Since: Apr 10

Milwaukee, WI USA

#16 Mar 24, 2012
Earthling-1 wrote:
This is a real eye opener for any advocate of wind power.
They choose to not see. Well at least while the subsidies keep on rolling in.

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Since: Oct 10

Mountain retreat, SE Spain

#17 Mar 24, 2012
Renewables Subsidized Far More Than Fossil Fuels
http://www.realclearpolicy.com/data_lab/2012/...

On a Btu Basis, Renewable Subsidies are 49 Times Greater than Fossil Fuel Subsidies
http://www.instituteforenergyresearch.org/201...
John

United States

#18 Mar 25, 2012
EarthWorm-1 wrote:
Renewables Subsidized Far More Than Fossil Fuels
http://www.realclearpolicy.com/data_lab/2012/...
On a Btu Basis, Renewable Subsidies are 49 Times Greater than Fossil Fuel Subsidies
http://www.instituteforenergyresearch.org/201...
Says the frustrated English teacher.....LOL !!!

“Happy, warm and comfortable”

Since: Oct 10

Mountain retreat, SE Spain

#19 Mar 26, 2012
Johnboy wrote:
Says the frustrated English teacher.....LOL !!!
Do you disagree?
Have you anything to say about renewable subsidies, or are you just here to make Americans look foolish?
LessHypeMoreFact

Concord, Canada

#20 Mar 26, 2012
Earthling-1 wrote:
Renewables Subsidized Far More Than Fossil Fuels
Lie. Fossil Fuel subisidies are MUCH larger than all renewables combined.
Earthling-1 wrote:
On a Btu Basis, Renewable Subsidies are 49 Times Greater than Fossil Fuel Subsidies
Well, on that faulty mathematical basis, the real culprit is fusion power. One penny of subsidies divided by no power equals infinite subsidies.

And yet it is a penny..

i.e your post is total crap.

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