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buck

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#121 Sep 12, 2012
And when it all comes down, there ain't none of us who know the exact mercy GOD extends.
WE SHOULD KNOW!, we are alive everyday to receive His mercies new.
I mean He does say that He will have mercy on whom
He will have mercy just like the thief on the cross
who we have no background for his repentance nor his baptism, yet Jesus took him to heaven!
yes, Jesus saw into his heart where no man can go.
I think many of us who make it to heaven will be surprised who does make it!
SanAntonioTim

San Antonio, TX

#122 Sep 14, 2012
On that we can agree, Buck. Amen!
buck

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#123 Sep 14, 2012
GOD's grace is the same for all, maybe I miss your point about you seeing GOD's grace differently.
by grace are "we" saved through faith, that goes for all mankind.
we cannot leave out repentance, a life that has repented will show, not!
SanAntonioTim

San Antonio, TX

#124 Sep 15, 2012
I think the reason I relate to David is because during my darkest moments in life, I typically go to the Psalms. There, I find a man who feels despair and opens up to validate all the longings and hurt that I feel at that time.

Then, there comes the rapture David expresses when he feels God's closeness.

I love that about the Psalms, because as a human being and having experienced loss and pain, I can relate to the songs in a strong way. They have really helped me throughout my life.

Plus, I know how many times I have failed to live up to my Christian potential.
buck

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#125 Sep 15, 2012
I too love the psalms and songs that relate to them.
if if were not for psalms many a christian or believer, whatever title suits may not have made it through some difficult times.
you know, I've been down your way, I liked it, Texas is a nice state.
I remember the nice warm mornings.
Tex 38

Spring, TX

#126 Sep 27, 2012
We all fall short.
What I dislike is that he didn't recognize he had a problem and continued in his patterns for years, leaving a great deal of damage, pain and hurt in his wake.
He doesn't seem to realize that he needs to own up to what he did. He is still in denial.

If he came out like Marcus Lamb and took 100% responsibility and said he was going to do everything he could to heal the wounds, he caused, that would go a long way in regaining respect.

I remember him saying some odd things in his sermons regarding sex. Now, I know he was rationalizing what he was doing behind the scenes. Someone should have been paying attention.

Wanting to take someone else as your wife is quite different than what happened in Fort Worth. If the good Dr. had simply had an affair, left his wife and remarried, that would have been a different deal altogether.
Cherry

Spring, TX

#127 Oct 14, 2012
SanAntonioTim wrote:
I just don't get it. Not the same story? Why not?
Two people commit multiple grievous sins. Even so, through God's mercy and love, one is still redeemed and called a man after God's own heart, a Biblical hero who is admired and respected.
The other is judged by "fellow Christians" to be unworthy and doomed to a life of ridicule and shame.
I just really don't get it from you guys. From my understanding, the women were not raped or he would have been charged with rape. To me, they are as guilty as he is.
God is in the business of redemption and, remember, the Pharisees never saw the logs in their own eyes before removing the stick in your brothers.
I hope I will always look at my own life's failings before condemning others. I try to be aware of my own shortcomings and refrain from condemnation of others. Not always successful, but I want to be.
Just my humble belief. friends.
Oh, yes Blame it on the women. You need say no more.
Come Clean

Spring, TX

#128 Oct 23, 2012
David didn't lead a charmed life after his sin. Why would anyone compare the two where the child David and B conceived died because of their sin?

And David did not commit the murder, but he sent an order knowing what the end result would be. It was the only way to get his way.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bathsheba
Come Clean

Spring, TX

#129 Oct 23, 2012
SanAntonioTim wrote:
I just don't get it. Not the same story? Why not?
Two people commit multiple grievous sins. Even so, through God's mercy and love, one is still redeemed and called a man after God's own heart, a Biblical hero who is admired and respected.
The other is judged by "fellow Christians" to be unworthy and doomed to a life of ridicule and shame.
I just really don't get it from you guys. From my understanding, the women were not raped or he would have been charged with rape. To me, they are as guilty as he is.
God is in the business of redemption and, remember, the Pharisees never saw the logs in their own eyes before removing the stick in your brothers.
I hope I will always look at my own life's failings before condemning others. I try to be aware of my own shortcomings and refrain from condemnation of others. Not always successful, but I want to be.
Just my humble belief. friends.
You think that a woman has to be raped and the perpetrator has to be convicted of rape before
any harm can occur?

If he is so free of guilt or harm, why is he no longer a pastor? Why are his credentials GONE?
Why was he removed from the church? Why doesn't he have a large amount of followers?
Come Clean

Spring, TX

#130 Oct 23, 2012
Flimflam man wrote:
What other flimflams have you fallen for lately? I met the guy years ago and first thing I thought was what a phony! He always played for the big money people in Fort Worth, and they did love to dance to his tune. Guess you were one of them ...People like him cause other people to speak ill of the Lord Jesus. Of course you probably don't know that is a quote from scripture since you attend Joel "God doesn't disapprove of anything..He just approves of some things more than other things" Osteen's "megachurch."
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Joel is still prospering and recently moved into a 10 million dollar compound with a fence around it.
He has a new book out titled "Declare" This Sunday night he will be on Oprah's life class. If he is doing anything wrong, it has not come to the surface. He now flies by private jet after overcoming
allegations regarding his wife's behavior on a plane. If he can just keep her in line, he may be alright.
Come Clean

Spring, TX

#131 Oct 23, 2012
Kandice wrote:
I used to watch Barry Bailey in the eighties in Denton Texas. He meant a lot to me too, and I would love to know how he is doing. I will never believe that he was guilty. There were fundamentalist from the right that resented him. I do not believe any of the allegations and never will.He saw through the corruption of the right wing fundamentalist Mega Churches of the eighties and he turned out to be right.I hope he is well and can realize how many people were touched by his amazing sermons.I have never heard anyone like him since.
I've listened to a few of his present day recorded sermons where he is not wearing the robe and just sitting by a fireplace in plain clothes. He seems to have lost his fire and conviction. Don't get me wrong. He knows the BIble stories, but it's more like having Amy Grant read out of the Bible.
Anyone can do this. Neither one moves me. JMO
Come Clean

Spring, TX

#132 Oct 23, 2012
Buck wrote:
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Isn't it amazing that GOD gives us a brain and many don't use it!!
They let others dictate on how they should live and what they should or should not buy!! Come on!!!! So, if you needed another car for work, you can't buy one because the church needs all of your money?? Well, you will be out of a job and then you can't support yourself or the church......WAKE UP!!!!!!!!!!
TV preachers and others, live HIGH ON THE HOG (as the cliche goes)
while their supporters are down to nearly nothing, and then you want to say that THIS IS GOD!!!!!! Come off it!!!!! use your head!!
I don't know how high on the hog this pastor lived. I doubt he is still living that life.

Since people are more savvy about tithing and where their tithes go, now the pastors on tv are preaching that if you don't give the first 10%, all of your money is not sanctified and is in jeopardy. They not only want 10% of net, but they want 10% of gross or the first money before you pay your mortgage, car payment, health insurance, etc. They say God doesn't need the money, but you need to give it or you will be in jeopardy.

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