Married to one of Gary's old girlfriends

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Anthony

Elk City, OK

#1 Jul 8, 2007
Hi, I am married to one of Gary's former girlfriends. I probably know more about this guy than I need to know. He really needs professional help as well as spiritual help. Judging someone is different from asking for acountability. We should demand accountability and integrity from ANYONE who is in Christian "ministry".
brnagain

United States

#2 Jul 10, 2007
....including Amy Grant.
anna

Clarksville, TN

#3 Aug 1, 2007
Fact is we dont know what went on between them or anyone else that we're not one of the two in the relationship. I see it as none of my business. I hope and pray they both truly repented for any wrong they may have done. But we really can't say what went on behind closed doors even if we were next door neighbors or best friends. Just because they're public figures and Christians doesnt mean we have the right to get involved. My dad was an alcoholic and had affairs and beat my mom. But supposedly she was going to hell from divorcing such a good man. Because people just couldnt believe. But now they do 30 years later cause all 5 kids say the same. One of my bros is abusive too even. And they don't believe that about him either. And I know women who treat their husbands badly that you would never think. Sometimes sadly even in cases like my mom where the police reports were staring them in the face. She seperated from him but never divorced cause she thought she was going to hell. My point is not that either of these people were like that but simply that we dont know. And if they dont want to tell people about their private lives its none of our business. And I personally wish them both well. And I hope that he gets the support he needs. And I pray for him and Amy daily.
still3363

Bridgeville, PA

#4 Aug 12, 2007

Man, I HATE to keep these topics going! BUT, I just have to respond...

Is it any far stretch of the imagination to see just why Gary didn't end up with this "Anthony's" current wife????

He's obliviously frustrated!!!!

Don't blame Gary man, blame yourself!!!!
David

Pasadena, CA

#5 Aug 15, 2007
I have always believed that Mr. Chapman had some 'issues'. As far back as when he released "Sincerely Yours" - the song - there was something about him that never set well with me. I don't claim to be the know all about people, but as a Christian, I am called to be discerning.....and I discerned that Mr. Chapman had issues.

There is a fellow in my church who I had strange feelings about....could never pinpoint it, but I just felt like something wasn't right 'spiritually' speaking = but I never pointed the finger at him and never claimed that he was wrong about anything or that he was bad or anything. All I know is that something just didn't seem right.

Three weeks ago, this man was found out to be having an affair for the past two years.
David

Pasadena, CA

#6 Aug 15, 2007
Anthony wrote:
Hi, I am married to one of Gary's former girlfriends. I probably know more about this guy than I need to know. He really needs professional help as well as spiritual help. Judging someone is different from asking for acountability. We should demand accountability and integrity from ANYONE who is in Christian "ministry".
I don't think you are judging....accountability is a different thing than judging.

Everyone lays the blame of the divorce on Amy Grant because she was 'having a thing' with Vince Gill.

1. Having a thing with Vince Gill has never been proven nor has Grant admitted to this.

2. Chapman's current problems with the law (dui arrest in Sept 06 and possession of Marijuana and a marijuana pipe) as well as accusations of fraud, etc....these things just don't all of a sudden happen. And he had problems with drugs in the mid 80's which almost saw the demise of his marriage to Grant THEN.

3. Jennifer Pitman Chapman - Gary's 2nd wife - is separated from Chapman. Why? Maybe she just can't handle all of this stuff going on - after only 6 years of marriage? And how did Grant deal with it for 17 years?

4. Notice that Grant's career continues to blossom. Obviously God is blessing her in this way....recent star on the Hollywood Walk of Fame and she's in a loving marriage, and still is releasing music with high numbers purchased.

My point is that I can't see that God is Mr. Chapman's focal point - not that I am judging, but whe he's reverting to drugs and alcohol, that's just sort of what I have to surmise.

Mr. Chapman needs prayer - and I am not judging him.....but what he is currently embroiled in does not come from 'new' habits.
David

Pasadena, CA

#7 Aug 15, 2007
brnagain wrote:
....including Amy Grant.
Agreed. I do believe that with Amy's career continuing to flourish through all of this, one might surmise that possibly it's a 'done deal' and water under the bridge and that she is probably 'right' with God.
still3363

Bridgeville, PA

#8 Aug 16, 2007
David, are you sure that man at your church that gave you a "strange feeling" wasn't the one you met in the mens room?

Oh wait, I almost forgot that you are such a holy christian, and you probably think it's a sin to look in a mirror!!!!

Get some help David, ASAP!
Queen B

Levittown, NY

#9 Sep 9, 2007
"I have always believed that Mr. Chapman had some 'issues'. As far back as when he released "Sincerely Yours" - the song - there was something about him that never set well with me. I don't claim to be the know all about people, but as a Christian, I am called to be discerning.....and I discerned that Mr. Chapman had issues."
Actually, David, you are pretty astute. My mother is a therapist, and years ago she said that she thought Gary might be Bi-Polar. He's apparently got many of the symptoms, including addiction. Cocaine addiction, by the way, according to dear old Mom who is an addiction specialist, has the lowest success rates for recovery. And once they kick coke, they usually turn to alcohol. Bi-polars can be very manic (and if any of you have seen Gary in action, you may know what I mean), impulsive (terribly addictive behavior with finances, infidelity, and substance abuse) and compulsive. When Mom saw this blurb about Gary's recent DUI, and drug possession...she said that clearly he's not "clean and sober", and that Amy's life with him must have been hell on earth. He was always very resentful of her success, tried desperately to get a career of his own going...and it never florished. Probably in part due to the fact that despite his incredible talent and often-charming ways...he was very hard to work with, had a huge ego, and was desperate for attention. A narrcisist can suck the life right out of you. In joint interviews with Amy and Gary (years ago, of course), she would look like she was holding her breath sometimes when he'd talk. I can't imagine the stress of what she went through. The class and dignity she has shown in the face of the public whipping she's had to endure has been down right saintly. Did any of you ever go to his web site and read his blogs, after they divorced? He was a ranting, bitter, guy. I sat one day and read everything...he blasted her left and right, tore to shreds all the people who were "siding" (his words) with her,used some very nasty innuendo in reference to Vince Gill...and all I could think was...YOU'RE CHILDREN COULD READ THIS, GARY! It was the saddest public display of someone totally unhinged. I went back to the site a week later to see what was happening...and it had totally disapeared. I would not be surprised if his attorney told him it could be very damaging in terms of his custody situation, professional image, etc. Gary is an insanely talented guy, and I think his heart is sincere. That doesn't change the fact that he's deeply troubled. Let's all pray for everyone in his life, instead of pointing fingers at Amy and blaming her for his addictions.
still3363

Bridgeville, PA

#10 Sep 10, 2007
Hey Jersey Girl,

You have your facts wrong!

Considering Gary's website a few years back...that was ME blasting all you aggresive fake believer's out of the water! Some of you got so defensive, cause you didn't like the corner your own words put you in! GET REAL!!!

As far as "addiction" goes, get real again!!! You like the soap box, the finger-pointing, and to put the blame of a failed marriage on Gary! GET REAL!!! Walk in his shoes for one day!!! Look at the complete phoney Gill clan, and then tell me why Vince has that sheepish smile; and while Amy got some coaching on her's: and now has this strange "show lower dental work" one! These are "commercial propaganda" artists Folks! Get real...

You can't imagine the stress Amy went through? Get real! Who is making money off the vulnerable still? Let's do a Fruit-of-the-Loom underwear commercial, while we can still make money off the vulnerable!!! I watched it with complete disgust, and predict that now they will be as effective as Jim and Tammy Faye. You just can't mess w/ the Lord without consequence...take that to the bank!

To lay some kind of claim that Gary is bi-polar is an insult to those who have a genuine problem with this dilemma! How dare you do that, especially since you claim to have some kind of advantage with your understanding of this! You are no better than David, or Amyfan...you are a button-pusher too! Take that to the bank!

P.S. Again, it was me who stopped the Gary Chapman website. It was because of people like you, who are so incredibly ignorant and "sold out" with your image of "fame." Get Real!!!

Another "Baby to put to Bed" now...shall we??? I'm good at this by now...HA!!

Don't be a stranger man....God Bless you too...
777joan

Langley, Canada

#12 Sep 20, 2007
There is nothing wrong with being diagnosed Bi Polar or Depression or any other mental disorder ...if Gary seems to be displaying that maybe he needs to get some medication or go to a Monastic Retreat or do some serious AA group work that has a Step program and get into some nutrition .Many mental problems are easily healed through therapy, diet, self counsel,personal exercise programs,and NA and AA.I know many recovered drug users,drunks and mentally disabled people.It is to bad when people see a problem in the body of Christ they judge it.Jesus did not die to let our brothers and sisters slide into oblivion and darkness.That is not the testimony of his love for his fallen ones.You guys need to look deeper this is a sick guy right now and he needs help.I lived around junkies and drug users my nephew died of an over dose he was 24.Gary is just really lonely and pissed off sometimes and feels like he lost at love the only problem with substance abuse is they get abusive and they can say the most horrible things. He just needs to make a sincere gesture to God and know that he is not well right now ...Maybe a new CD and healing by reaching out to others who have the same problems and teaching the Christian community to grow up in Jesus and help Forgive so your heavenly Father can forgive you
Linda1

Hayward, CA

#14 Oct 10, 2007
still3363--you are one messed up cookie. You should be called still 666.

Since: Oct 07

Bridgeville, PA

#15 Oct 13, 2007
Linda1, please know that you share the first name of one of my dearest friends...YET she would never, ever, ever, call me "one messed up cookie." EVEN WHEN, at times, I was one, I freely admit!

Not messed up in the psychological way you refer to, cause hey "666" refers to the devil, right?

No, my messed up ways have come from being gullible and naive about this world. I have earned every messed up moment I've ever had! My friend Linda loves me for every single one! I love her for her's too! Try it sometime Linda1. It makes life worthwhile...

I love California too! You guys have a great deal to be happy about: the sun: the Pacific Ocean; GREAT opportunity at seeing first rate entertainment: AND an easy-going lifestlye that is impossible to find on the East Coast. I've been looking for it for 12 years! Winter is such a drag here, and it lasts for half a year! New York is such a mecca of world events, but it lacks the simple everyday joy just to be alive. People are so annoyed by people, and rudeness and assertiveness are ordinary here.

Don't we have plenty of that on the internet anyhow, considering you might be a guy named Gary Chapman? Man, the power of media, and what money can buy.

I hope you all realize it is considered "overhead" and all these "operating expenses" come out of the Annual Gross Income??? If I could anylize these books, and pin-point just where I think it all collides, it started about (?) the time "adorablegirl" cites, 1997 or 1998. Her name is Jennifer Cooke. It was a steady downward spiral from there.

The truth hurts, but it can also set you free. There is forgiveness, providing one is sincere.

Another messed up moment of mine? Try it sometime folks. Be forewarned...you might be called the devil...but hey, look at where the source is coming from...

still3363
KatRita

Spring, TX

#16 Dec 28, 2007
still3363 wrote:
Hey Jersey Girl,
You have your facts wrong!
Considering Gary's website a few years back...that was ME blasting all you aggresive fake believer's out of the water! Some of you got so defensive, cause you didn't like the corner your own words put you in! GET REAL!!!
As far as "addiction" goes, get real again!!! You like the soap box, the finger-pointing, and to put the blame of a failed marriage on Gary! GET REAL!!! Walk in his shoes for one day!!! Look at the complete phoney Gill clan, and then tell me why Vince has that sheepish smile; and while Amy got some coaching on her's: and now has this strange "show lower dental work" one! These are "commercial propaganda" artists Folks! Get real...
You can't imagine the stress Amy went through? Get real! Who is making money off the vulnerable still? Let's do a Fruit-of-the-Loom underwear commercial, while we can still make money off the vulnerable!!! I watched it with complete disgust, and predict that now they will be as effective as Jim and Tammy Faye. You just can't mess w/ the Lord without consequence...take that to the bank!
To lay some kind of claim that Gary is bi-polar is an insult to those who have a genuine problem with this dilemma! How dare you do that, especially since you claim to have some kind of advantage with your understanding of this! You are no better than David, or Amyfan...you are a button-pusher too! Take that to the bank!
P.S. Again, it was me who stopped the Gary Chapman website. It was because of people like you, who are so incredibly ignorant and "sold out" with your image of "fame." Get Real!!!
Another "Baby to put to Bed" now...shall we??? I'm good at this by now...HA!!
Don't be a stranger man....God Bless you too...
I realize I am coming to the party late and have lost my invitation, but at least I showed up.
I probably wouldn't have known about Gary's deal if a certain person hadn't been broadcasting it everywhere. I was over a year behind the curve, but I'm the one with the problem. Okay, I'm the one with the problem. Now what do they have on me? I don't always use the same name. Neither do they. Last, they accuse someone of burying their stuff on another site. Why were they posting about Gary on a VG site anyway?

If they had any sense at all, they would know you acn never know who is sitting behind the keyboard regardless of the location or the address that pops up.
Phantom Ghost

Spring, TX

#17 Dec 29, 2007
still3363 wrote:
Hey Jersey Girl,
You have your facts wrong!
Considering Gary's website a few years back...that was ME blasting all you aggresive fake believer's out of the water! Some of you got so defensive, cause you didn't like the corner your own words put you in! GET REAL!!!
As far as "addiction" goes, get real again!!! You like the soap box, the finger-pointing, and to put the blame of a failed marriage on Gary! GET REAL!!! Walk in his shoes for one day!!! Look at the complete phoney Gill clan, and then tell me why Vince has that sheepish smile; and while Amy got some coaching on her's: and now has this strange "show lower dental work" one! These are "commercial propaganda" artists Folks! Get real...
You can't imagine the stress Amy went through? Get real! Who is making money off the vulnerable still? Let's do a Fruit-of-the-Loom underwear commercial, while we can still make money off the vulnerable!!! I watched it with complete disgust, and predict that now they will be as effective as Jim and Tammy Faye. You just can't mess w/ the Lord without consequence...take that to the bank!
To lay some kind of claim that Gary is bi-polar is an insult to those who have a genuine problem with this dilemma! How dare you do that, especially since you claim to have some kind of advantage with your understanding of this! You are no better than David, or Amyfan...you are a button-pusher too! Take that to the bank!
P.S. Again, it was me who stopped the Gary Chapman website. It was because of people like you, who are so incredibly ignorant and "sold out" with your image of "fame." Get Real!!!
Another "Baby to put to Bed" now...shall we??? I'm good at this by now...HA!!
Don't be a stranger man....God Bless you too...
THey are probably just putting this here because Amy has now admitted to depression, phobias, OCD type behaviors and some have wondered if she could be bipolar or even borderline. That would explain why everyone does whatever she wants to keep the peace. If I had to guess, I would say it is VDunce that is living heck on earth right now. One of those and I won't say which one is totally charming, lures its prey in and then once caught, it is too late. It is easier to placate that person and become the full service a$$ kisser rather than face the wrath.

If you remember, Amy wuold not even let Gary move the bed without throwing a fit. She has admitted that she doesn't like it when Vince changes things either. She has admitted they get on each other's nerves.

She says she has a shark phobia and can not enter the water at the beach or let her kids in it.
She does, however, take them to the beach for a photo op. Vince is noticeably absent.

She also takes the kids skiing. Vince is noticeably absent.

She takes her kids to the cabin often. Vince is noticeably absent.

When she does her video blogs for her website,
Vince is noticeably absent.

When she first married Vince and it was her custody time with the kids, Vince was noticeably absent.

Janis is also noticeably absent and AGr has taken over her daughter.

Both Amy and Vince had made digs or sent messages by way of the lyrics in their music. I see them as cowards who won't speak out in public because that isn't the Southern gentleman and Southern Lady way, but they find other ways to get their messages out.

I could probably write more, but why waste the time. Is it New Year's yet because I want to be done by then.
phan

Spring, TX

#18 Dec 29, 2007
Notice a theme.

Noticeably absent second husband.
Wheres Janis

Spring, TX

#19 Dec 31, 2007
And who is to say that Vince doesn't have issues? Janis sure blurted out a few and anyone who saw copies of their divorce proceedings know that there were issues of the accusation of infidelity and lots of heated arguments.
Janis expressed fear and said she had to hide from him. She said he left her nasty phone messages. There was also allegedly an incident where he may have threatened to throw things out her window.
Even after V and A married, there was an incident with V's temper that was squelched to this day.
It looks like he schedules himself out a lot. Then they team up when they need to do a PR appearance.
still 3363

Bridgeville, PA

#20 Dec 31, 2007
By the way Phan, I meant to asnwer you question about the old Gary website.

It had a good run, for almost a couple years, Some really great people posted there. Then, just like all good things, it was completely sabotaged by people who insisted Gary was at fault and Amy was the purist who struggled more than she needed to. Flames, flares and all sorts of manner of abuse, of which my ex husband became a part of. Yep, the jerk started sending messages on my behalf, not knowing that I knew. This is also around the same time he shifted all our money, took me off all the assets, lied to every friend, neighbor, teacher he could, etc. etc. So, I took a copy of the hard drive, filed for divorce, said Goodbye to the boards and married life at the same time. It was shut down a few days later. It's been 4 years of he-- since, but at least I don't have to be responsible for him anymore.

The hard drive was copied just in case the divorce got really ugly, which it did, but which I never needed to prove to anyone. He is such an obvious jerk to anyone he meets. I have a little piece of vintage Chapman, since Gary was cool enough to post on these boards quite often. Not that I know how to read a hard drive anyhow.
Bloodhound

Spring, TX

#21 Dec 31, 2007
So, those were not really his board? It was something he had someone else put up for him? I would think with all that was going on that he would want to run his own site or have it run by someone close to him. I guess I missed all of that action.

It's only with an official site that one would know if it is Gary or an imposter. I have seen Gary's writing style and sense of humor.

I don't have a need to belong to the official sites for the occasional family pics they might post. When Amy was married to Gary, they launched articles and pics all the time. Not so with the blended family. It comes when they release a new book or project. Otherwise, you could go years without seeing a new pic unless some fan snaps one at a concert and you happen to run across it while surfing.

I guess that's why seeing pics of Corrina has never been a big deal.
It seems like I remember a story from Amy about Gary's dad saying she should bring Corrina by to visit. Gary's dad must truly be sweet to forgive everything and have open arms for Corrina and Amy.

For the record, I do not despise V or A. It just seems like they are all PR these days. Maybe they feel they have to save face because of the exes.
Little by little, they are letting it out that it hasn't been a piece of cake blending the families.

Does anyone else wonder where this will all end? If A and V will stay maried and how the kids will fare in the LONG RUN?

You always see Julia Roberts smiling with her crew. She thought it was okay to take Danny Moder and now she has to prove that she was right in doing so, kind of like A.

Angelina says she didn't steal Brad away. I was surprised that there's something like 300+ responses on a did she or didn't she topic. I didn't read them all.

This must be something enquiring minds want to know.

I knew as soon as I heard A talking about V during the House of Love recording and everything that followed that she was smitten.

People think they have handled it with so much class because V is silent, but there was a gag order for his ex to get her settlement.

I did find it strange that Gary thought that Amy should not go public with Vince when he was with Jennifer. I don't think anyone was right or wrong.
It has just looked quiet ugly from the outside looking in. Then again, I've never known a pleasant divorce.

I don't believe that Vince fell for Amy and that she was oblivious. My bloodhound nose tells me otherwise.

I should drop it. It doesn't matter anymore. I just wish she would be honest. She wasn't honest in the interviews with Gary. Why should she start now? Ooops. My horns are growing. Better get the file.

I can't blame it on back pain this round.

Happy Almost New Year's.
still 3363

Bridgeville, PA

#22 Dec 31, 2007
You know I'm as curious all all heck, and really don't like to be...

It would be nice if this story had a better ending, and/or at least a chapter or two of better writing.

The "gimmick" is seen for just that, and it is an insult to people's intelligence to write a book, release another 'greatest hits", go into the super market magazine and give so much effort to being angelic?

I heard the House of Love song at Lowes (of all places!) and wanted to step outside for a few minutes. It was the "groove" version and irritated the heck out of me!

I was going to go on a convention trip with some friends from Church one day, and it was at a huge arena downtown. "Women of Faith" I think it was. I didn't know Amy was going to be there at first, and when I found out I cancelled.

Again, I wish I wasn't curious for a different ending to this story, but I am.

Melissa Ethridge has some really great Love Songs too, and plays guitar expertly. Do I sing along???

Somebody bring me some water!!!!Ha!!!

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