Laina Farhat-Holzman: Russia and Geor...

Laina Farhat-Holzman: Russia and Georgia: Guns of August again?

There are 23 comments on the Santa Cruz Sentinel story from Aug 23, 2008, titled Laina Farhat-Holzman: Russia and Georgia: Guns of August again?. In it, Santa Cruz Sentinel reports that:

On Aug. 8, during China's big Olympic debut, Russia invaded Georgia, ostensibly to protect Georgia's breakaway state, South Ossetia.

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Dan

Belgrade, Serbia

#1 Aug 23, 2008
Don't you people have any decency? Or do you want to claim you are not informed well enough? Georgia attacks S. Ossetia and the Russians intervene several hours latter to stop the killing of the population and their peacekeepers there, but most US media choose to simply hide the fact that Georgia attacked first. With this kind of arrogance, hypocrisy, double standards and media manipulation, is it really a wonder that with every day the US and its 'allies' are hated more and more throughout the world?
realist

Salinas, CA

#2 Aug 23, 2008
can we please send all the nice rich young supple white boys to go fight and die in all these wars.
The sooner we do, the sooner the lovely latinos can run things right here.
Da Buffalo Amongst Wolves

San Jose, CA

#4 Aug 23, 2008
Wait a second... on the first day of the olympics Georgia invaded South Ossetia and the Russians responded with a textbook perfect rebuff of their aggression against an Iranian speaking, Persian related people who the Russians had the decency to grant a degree of independence to.

When IS the Senile going to get rid of Laina Farhat-Holzman? She's not only a PR hack for neofasc... I mean 'neocon' ideology, she lies and distorts factual information.

THAT'S GROUNDS FOR DISMISSAL, or if not paid for by the Senile, for relegation to commenter status
Da Buffalo Amongst Wolves

San Jose, CA

#5 Aug 23, 2008
Dan wrote:
Don't you people have any decency? Or do you want to claim you are not informed well enough? Georgia attacks S. Ossetia and the Russians intervene several hours latter to stop the killing of the population and their peacekeepers there, but most US media choose to simply hide the fact that Georgia attacked first. With this kind of arrogance, hypocrisy, double standards and media manipulation, is it really a wonder that with every day the US and its 'allies' are hated more and more throughout the world?
Thanks for checking in... This deserves a re-post.

Since: May 08

Santa Cruz, CA

#6 Aug 23, 2008
Dan wrote:
Don't you people have any decency? Or do you want to claim you are not informed well enough? Georgia attacks S. Ossetia and the Russians intervene several hours latter to stop the killing of the population and their peacekeepers there, but most US media choose to simply hide the fact that Georgia attacked first. With this kind of arrogance, hypocrisy, double standards and media manipulation, is it really a wonder that with every day the US and its 'allies' are hated more and more throughout the world?
Georgia didn't attack Russia. South Ossetia is part of Georgia. Russia invaded Georgia - beyond South Ossetia.

Now let us see how long it takes for Russia to withdraw its troops.

There's something rather delicious about a Russian apologist complaining about arrogance, hypocrisy, double standards and media manipulation.

Since: May 08

Santa Cruz, CA

#7 Aug 23, 2008
Da Buffalo Amongst Wolves wrote:
When IS the Senile going to get rid of Laina Farhat-Holzman? She's not only a PR hack for neofasc... I mean 'neocon' ideology, she lies and distorts factual information.
Get rid of her? Why, she ought to be burned at the stake for writing such heresy!

It's more than a little ironic that you imply that _she's_ the fascist when you're the one wanting her fired because you don't agree with her.

Santa Cruz needs a diversity of opinions, not just the ones you subscribe to.
TheTrollWithoutA Name

San Jose, CA

#8 Aug 23, 2008
My Bessarabian grandfather would have spit on you Farhat-Holzman, and he hated the Russians (he was a Menshavik), but he hated the Georgians even more.

The Georgians are regional territorial predators... barbarians, have been for at least a hundred years, and they have 'friends' in the Bush (and any potential Democratic) administration.
TheTrollWithoutA Name

San Jose, CA

#9 Aug 23, 2008
Xanthippe wrote:
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Get rid of her? Why, she ought to be burned at the stake for writing such heresy!
It's more than a little ironic that you imply that _she's_ the fascist when you're the one wanting her fired because you don't agree with her.
Santa Cruz needs a diversity of opinions, not just the ones you subscribe to.
It has NOTHING to do with disagreement.

Her postings are ALWAYS filled with half truths and outright lies.

She should start a blog, and then it wouldn't matter a whit, but no one would read her trash so the Senile, an alleged newspaper keeps her employed.

She's an agenda driven liar without an original thought, and should be dismissed.
Da Buffalo Amongst Wolves

San Jose, CA

#10 Aug 23, 2008
As far as South Ossetia being part of Georgia, NOT IF THE OSSETIANS DON'T WANT TO BE, and can find a national power to back them, and they have... Russia.

" even if you’re not recognized by anyone.“Once an entity has established itself as a de facto state, it will benefit from territorial integrity and certain guarantees of sovereignty,” says Stefan Talmon, professor of public international law at Oxford University and author of Recognition in International Law."

From Foreign Policy Magazine:

How to Start Your Own Country in Four Easy Steps
By Joshua Keating

Posted February 2008

With Kosovo (An al Qaeda affiliated/drug and gun running state recently granted recognition by the US government to the dismay of most nations of the world // DBAW) unilaterally declaring independence and a host of wannabe states looking to follow its lead, you might be thinking it’s about time to set up your own country. You’ve picked out a flag, written a national anthem, even printed up money with your face on it. But what’s the next step? Creating a new country isn’t as easy as you think.

Step 1: Make sure you are eligible

As tempting as it might be to declare your cubicle a sovereign state, customary international law actually does specify minimum standards for statehood.

1. You must have a defined territory.
2. You must have a permanent population.
3. You must have a government.
4. Your government must be capable of interacting with other states.(This one is somewhat controversial. It was included as a qualification in the 1933 Montevideo Convention, which established the United States’“good neighbor” policy of nonintervention in Latin America, but is generally not recognized as international law.)

Step 2: Declare independence

Congratulations on joining the ranks of Transnistria, Somaliland, and a host of other countries that won’t be marching at the Olympics anytime soon. Just because you’ve met the qualifications and declared yourself independent doesn’t mean that you’re going to be taken seriously. Even the Principality of Sealand—located on a 10,000-square-foot platform in the North Sea—has tried with mixed success to claim sovereignty under these qualifications.

However, now that your state is established, there are certain benefits you can expect, even if you’re not recognized by anyone.“Once an entity has established itself as a de facto state, it will benefit from territorial integrity and certain guarantees of sovereignty,” says Stefan Talmon, professor of public international law at Oxford University and author of Recognition in International Law.“For instance, now that Kosovo is established as a state, Serbia can no longer freely attack it to bring it back into Serbia. It benefits from the prohibition of the use of force under the U.N. Charter.” These rules were established during the Cold War to protect new states that were not yet recognized by one bloc or another.

Step 3: Get recognized

There’s not much point in having your own country unless other countries acknowledge your existence...

In full: http://www.foreignpolicy.com/story/cms.php...
Lil Buf Jr

Daly City, CA

#11 Aug 23, 2008
Never mind the little unpleasantness about ethnic cleansing of Georgians in S. Ossetia and Abkhazia. As long as the aggressors of such crimes are anti-US it's all good.
Da Buffalo Amongst Wolves

San Jose, CA

#12 Aug 23, 2008
Xanthippe wrote:
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Georgia didn't attack Russia. South Ossetia is part of Georgia. Russia invaded Georgia - beyond South Ossetia.
Yeah, it's called a 'Buffer Zone', and there's no reason why it should be on Ossetian territory when Georgia was the initial aggressor, not Ossetia.

You aren't a very good propagandist, your twisting of factually information is too transparent.

But a word of advice, You REALLY need to stop reading American newspapers. It sounds like you believe all that nonsense they peddle so the sheeple will, oh, how did that Nazi propagandist put it "...just follow along".

Speaking of Nazis...

The Georgian Legion (German: Georgische Legion, Georgian: &#4325;&#4304;&#43 20;&#4311;&#4323;& #4314;&#4312; &#4314;&#4308;&#43 06;&#4312;&#4317;& #4316;&#4312;, k’artuli legioni) was a name of a Georgian military formation within the German army during World War II. Their established aim was the restoration of Georgia’s independence from the Soviet Union.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Georgian_Leg... (1941-1945)

Well now they found a new scummy, amoral ally in their territorial quest, The US government, driven by DESPERATION for energy resources.

That's right, I'm insinuating the US is the new world fascist (corporatist if you prefer Mussolini's term) power, and Laina Farhat-Holzman is a mouthpiece, a propagandist for that neo-fascist world view which is referred to in the US as NEOCONSERVATIVE.
Da Buffalo Amongst Wolves

San Jose, CA

#13 Aug 23, 2008
Lil Buf Jr wrote:
Never mind the little unpleasantness about ethnic cleansing of Georgians in S. Ossetia and Abkhazia. As long as the aggressors of such crimes are anti-US it's all good.
Where did you read THAT? Powerline?

It just an accusation unsupported by any journalist or reporter's details, western OR otherwise.

...and for what it's worth, reporters in the region are claiming good access if you are a credentialed reporter.

The Russians have nothing to hide here.

They just did what we'd NEVER do for Kosovo, the first al Qaeda nation of the West, which the US was first to support on it's independence.

Go figure...

They were chanting KLA! KLA! in the streets, a reference to the Kosovo Liberation Army, for whom Osama bin Laden was one of the main recruiters and al qaeda merc fought right beside KLA troops when the KLA fought for us in Madeline's (Albright) dirt little war to partition ex-Yugoslavia.
Da Buffalo Amongst Wolves

San Jose, CA

#14 Aug 23, 2008
The timeline:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_of_the_...

It might be noted there is NO 'Disputed' banner at the top of the article which would mean this information is generally accepted BY ALL MEDIA OUTLETS as correct to the best of anyone's knowledge.
Da Buffalo Amongst Wolves

San Jose, CA

#15 Aug 23, 2008
I want to reiterate, and even thought the US government could give a flying about international law or the UN (About which, our 'ambassador' John Bolton said 'it wouldn't matter if a few floors went away'... a terroristic threat), it applies to South Ossetia under the UN Charter:

“Once an entity has established itself as a de facto state, it will benefit from territorial integrity and certain guarantees of sovereignty,” says Stefan Talmon, professor of public international law at Oxford University and author of Recognition in International Law.“For instance, now that Kosovo is established as a state, Serbia can no longer freely attack it to bring it back into Serbia.

It benefits from the prohibition of the use of force under the U.N. Charter.” These rules were established during the Cold War to protect new states that were not yet recognized by one bloc or another."

http://www.foreignpolicy.com/story/cms.php...
realist

Salinas, CA

#16 Aug 23, 2008
would becky's huge ass make a good buffer zone?
realist

Salinas, CA

#17 Aug 23, 2008
oops would Beck Johnsons Huge A_S_S_ make a good buffer zone?
Da Buffalo Amongst Wolves

San Jose, CA

#18 Aug 23, 2008
I guess if you can't have guns, or butter, then LARD will suffice.
Da Buffalo Amongst Wolves

San Jose, CA

#19 Aug 23, 2008
realist wrote:
can we please send all the nice rich young supple white boys to go fight and die in all these wars.
The sooner we do, the sooner the lovely latinos can run things right here.
Lovely latinos?

Hot Cuban Girls playing Volleyball:

http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee241/phot...
Da Buffalo Amongst Wolves

San Jose, CA

#20 Aug 23, 2008
Just In:

CZECH REPUBLIC: Georgia Sets Off an Old Debate
By Ramesh Jaura

PRAGUE, Aug 23 (IPS)- The coinciding of military confrontation between Russia and Georgia and the 40th anniversary of the brutal crushing of the 'Prague Spring' in 1968 in what was Czechoslovakia has triggered a debate on whether a comparison between the two events is justified.

As Czech and Slovak leaders held solemn ceremonies in Prague and Bratislava to mark the historic Aug. 21, 1968, the Czech leaders were conspicuously divided in their views on the conflict between the great power Russia and its tiny neighbour Georgia.

Czechoslovakia split peacefully in 1993 into the Czech and Slovak republics, on the heels of the fall of the Berlin Wall that paved the way for parliamentary democracy in the country.

Czech President Vaclav Klaus has strongly criticised Georgia. Klaus, together with eminent writer Vaclav Havel and his Social Democrat counterpart Milos Zeman is recognised as one of the three most important Czech politicians of the 1990s, and the last of them to remain active.

Klaus argues that Georgian President Mikheil Saakashvili's "fatal" actions against the separatist region of South Ossetia were to blame for the conflict.

Mountainous South Ossetia in Georgia is separated from North Ossetia in Russia by a border running high in the Caucasus. Georgians account for less than a third of the population of South Ossetia.

President Klaus vehemently rejected the parallel between 1968 and 2008, pointing out that Czechoslovakia did not act provocatively by attacking Subcarpathian Ruthenia 40 years ago, and that then Czechoslovak leader Alexander Dubcek's conduct bore no similarity to that of Saakashvili during recent events.

In full: http://www.ipsnews.net/news.asp...
Lil Buf Jr

Daly City, CA

#21 Aug 23, 2008
Da Buffalo Amongst Wolves wrote:
<quoted text>
Where did you read THAT? Powerline?
It just an accusation unsupported by any journalist or reporter's details, western OR otherwise.
...and for what it's worth, reporters in the region are claiming good access if you are a credentialed reporter.
Dude, you need to be more skeptical about your own sources of information. Seriously. Your faith in the Big Conspiracy is blinding you to some inconvenient complexities.

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