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Lee

Valencia, CA

#655 Apr 4, 2013
2kingsdaughter wrote:
<quoted text>You are imprisoned by your own [dogma]. Chained to a belief that an abused child can emerge unscathed, when in fact, that is a lie. On some level, even if they're unaware of the abuse, that person will somehow be affected. Whether emotionally or physically. They may never know of the abuse, but it will and does leave a scar in the furthest recesses of the brain. Of course I will always reference the theological side of it since I am a born again believer. I know I just opened another door, but I don't care. And no, I don't believe I am better than non believers, I just know what I believe. And since you do not share my beliefs, I think the only chance you may have is a .....lobotomy.
Since you don't share my beliefs the only chance you may have is a lobotomy".

See, that has been the whole attitude through this whole discussion.

If I don't beleive what the rest of you believe, I am insane or evil.

That is an attempt to restrict the thinking and free speech of another person.

You cannot possibly know what another person thinks or feels. You cannot speak for EVERY person who was molested. That is ridiculous. None of you are psychic.

And as far as the Bible is concerned, they had girls being maried off at practically pre-teen, so you cannot use that.

No, not every child who is molested will be traumatized.

Are you telling me that the posters on the link I put up do not know their own minds or feelings? YOU know their feelings better than they do?????

No, you don't.
Michigan

Belleville, MI

#656 Apr 4, 2013
Lee wrote:
<quoted text>Since you don't share my beliefs the only chance you may have is a lobotomy".
See, that has been the whole attitude through this whole discussion.
If I don't beleive what the rest of you believe, I am insane or evil.
That is an attempt to restrict the thinking and free speech of another person.
You cannot possibly know what another person thinks or feels. You cannot speak for EVERY person who was molested. That is ridiculous. None of you are psychic.
And as far as the Bible is concerned, they had girls being maried off at practically pre-teen, so you cannot use that.
No, not every child who is molested will be traumatized.
Are you telling me that the posters on the link I put up do not know their own minds or feelings? YOU know their feelings better than they do?????
No, you don't.
Why don't you go back and read your prescious LINK again you hore. 4 or 5 posters out of millions of children is nothing to keep bragging about.

Then maybe you can also look up and read some stories / links from families of victims killed in Hitler's gas chambers, and see if any of it "traumatized" them. Then you can start your crap again and say, "Oh not all Hitler's victims were traumatized"

Since: Mar 13

Location hidden

#657 Apr 4, 2013
Lee wrote:
<quoted text>Since you don't share my beliefs the only chance you may have is a lobotomy".
See, that has been the whole attitude through this whole discussion.
If I don't beleive what the rest of you believe, I am insane or evil.
That is an attempt to restrict the thinking and free speech of another person.
You cannot possibly know what another person thinks or feels. You cannot speak for EVERY person who was molested. That is ridiculous. None of you are psychic.
And as far as the Bible is concerned, they had girls being maried off at practically pre-teen, so you cannot use that.
No, not every child who is molested will be traumatized.
Are you telling me that the posters on the link I put up do not know their own minds or feelings? YOU know their feelings better than they do?????
No, you don't.
You sound like a child throwing a temper tantrum. And as far as the bible is concerned, yes some girls were married very young, like Mary. She gave birth to Jesus at about 15. But I'm not here to proselytize. You most certainly are allowed, by law, to have your own opinions and beliefs. Just remember that your feelings/beliefs about abused children are YOUR REALITY! You can claim/deny that something didn't happen to you to cause you to think this way. However, our lives, personalities and attitudes are shaped by certain events that we've dealt with. Some events are so powerful that they cause us to fear, worry, panic. Other events enlighten us, transform us and give us hope. You seem to be, by your own words, angry with children, disgusted with them. You don't seem to value them much at all. Animals and Elvis seem to be your reality, your source of happiness and caring. Sometimes...you're hard to pin down Lee. But something shaped you, molded you into who you are.

Since: Mar 13

Location hidden

#658 Apr 4, 2013
Michigan wrote:
<quoted text>
Why don't you go back and read your prescious LINK again you hore. 4 or 5 posters out of millions of children is nothing to keep bragging about.
Then maybe you can also look up and read some stories / links from families of victims killed in Hitler's gas chambers, and see if any of it "traumatized" them. Then you can start your crap again and say, "Oh not all Hitler's victims were traumatized"
She's full of crap. Either she was victimized or was the perp at some point in her life. There's too much going on here to say that "nothing" happened in her life to create the monster that she now is. And now Lee is going to tell me how I'm lying, how terrible I am, etc. You can hide out here and be as anonymous as the rest of us are, but your words prove that SOMETHING happened! Using the name of any notoriously evil person to make your point is not NORMAL!
Michigan

Roseville, MI

#659 Apr 4, 2013
2kingsdaughter wrote:
<quoted text>She's full of crap. Either she was victimized or was the perp at some point in her life. There's too much going on here to say that "nothing" happened in her life to create the monster that she now is. And now Lee is going to tell me how I'm lying, how terrible I am, etc. You can hide out here and be as anonymous as the rest of us are, but your words prove that SOMETHING happened! Using the name of any notoriously evil person to make your point is not NORMAL!
Yes, the "not every child is traumatized" was just the tip of the iceberg, just look at all the other statements she has posted since then. All along with the "I'm entitled to my opinion" after each one, so she can be exempt from any negative reply.

Like if you're black, and I call you the "N" word, it's ok, cause that's "My Opinion"
Lee

Valencia, CA

#660 Apr 4, 2013
Michigan wrote:
<quoted text>
Why don't you go back and read your prescious LINK again you hore. 4 or 5 posters out of millions of children is nothing to keep bragging about.
Then maybe you can also look up and read some stories / links from families of victims killed in Hitler's gas chambers, and see if any of it "traumatized" them. Then you can start your crap again and say, "Oh not all Hitler's victims were traumatized"
It is not four or five posters out of millions. Only a certain number of people saw that article, so you would have to take the percentage from that number, not the millions. From the number of people who saw the article, or the link, four or five did answer and say that they were not traumatized.

That indicates a much larger number than four or five out of "the millions".
Lee

Valencia, CA

#661 Apr 4, 2013
2kingsdaughter wrote:
<quoted text>You sound like a child throwing a temper tantrum. And as far as the bible is concerned, yes some girls were married very young, like Mary. She gave birth to Jesus at about 15. But I'm not here to proselytize. You most certainly are allowed, by law, to have your own opinions and beliefs. Just remember that your feelings/beliefs about abused children are YOUR REALITY! You can claim/deny that something didn't happen to you to cause you to think this way. However, our lives, personalities and attitudes are shaped by certain events that we've dealt with. Some events are so powerful that they cause us to fear, worry, panic. Other events enlighten us, transform us and give us hope. You seem to be, by your own words, angry with children, disgusted with them. You don't seem to value them much at all. Animals and Elvis seem to be your reality, your source of happiness and caring. Sometimes...you're hard to pin down Lee. But something shaped you, molded you into who you are.
I was not even angry when I made that post.

No a person's feelings or beliefs about a certain subject are not necessarily his reality. We form our beliefs from many sources.

"Fear, worry, panic" sounds like Michigan to me. She is so emotional about it she can't even think straight, yet she claims she is over it. I think she is still suffering. If she reads this, she will take it as an insult, but it is not an insult. Obviously, what was done to her was horrible abuse, and I would never deny that.

But I don't see why saying that not every child who is molested will be traumatized.

You are the ones who are overly emotional about it. I am not. I just get mad when your arguments consists only of name calling and insults and you can't understand why that doesn't change my mind.
Lee

Valencia, CA

#662 Apr 4, 2013
I meant to say, I don't see why saying that not every child who is molested will be traumatized is so awful.
Lee

Valencia, CA

#663 Apr 4, 2013
2kingsdaughter wrote:
<quoted text>You sound like a child throwing a temper tantrum. And as far as the bible is concerned, yes some girls were married very young, like Mary. She gave birth to Jesus at about 15. But I'm not here to proselytize. You most certainly are allowed, by law, to have your own opinions and beliefs. Just remember that your feelings/beliefs about abused children are YOUR REALITY! You can claim/deny that something didn't happen to you to cause you to think this way. However, our lives, personalities and attitudes are shaped by certain events that we've dealt with. Some events are so powerful that they cause us to fear, worry, panic. Other events enlighten us, transform us and give us hope. You seem to be, by your own words, angry with children, disgusted with them. You don't seem to value them much at all. Animals and Elvis seem to be your reality, your source of happiness and caring. Sometimes...you're hard to pin down Lee. But something shaped you, molded you into who you are.
I am not angry with children or disgusted by them. I do care when a child really is hurt, physically or emotionally. And yes, I do value them, in fact I think there should be a bill of rights for children. I see so much crap done to children that there is not even a law to cover.

People who talk to their children like they are dogs, leave them in a situation where they can be molested, use them for forced labor, drag them all over the country, commit adultery causing the child to grow up in a broken home, won't take them to the doctor because is some stupid religion, divorce the spouse and drag the kid to the other side of the country, denying it a relationship with it's father or mother, taking it away from the adoptive parent and returning it to the natural parent at three or four years old, even tho the adoptive parent is the only parent it has ever known and loves, I can name dozens of things. There should be a bill of rights for children.

But I just don't see why saying, "not every child who is molested will be traumatized" is so awful.

Since: Mar 13

Location hidden

#664 Apr 4, 2013
I believe she's over it. Your words.are.a.slap in the face. Especially, Lee, if you cannot relate or have not experienced the same abuse. So shut it.

“at yet more f'loonspin”

Since: Aug 11

I live far away from f'loons

#665 Apr 4, 2013
2kingsdaughter wrote:
<quoted text>I think she actually means something like "Hitler's core values". Not mundane things like his clothing, or his favourite food. The same goes for a pedophile. It's their core beliefs, ideology, the phraseology that you share with them that seems to be the problem here.
Touche.

Unfortunately, Lee isn't going to see that.

“at yet more f'loonspin”

Since: Aug 11

I live far away from f'loons

#666 Apr 4, 2013
Michigan wrote:
<quoted text>
Nope, not gonna happen. You're not worth it. You've shown there is no talking to you.
By the way, I don't care what names you call me, we are not in the third grade here. Your thoughts and posts are not logical. So much so, you still don't get it after all this time and everyone trying to tell you the way you think is distorted to say the least.
And even here, you have the gall to assume my trying to explain this CRIME and the toll it takes on a child is just because I am "still traumatized" by it. My ordeal was over thirty years ago. I am no were near "still traumatized"
What is traumatizing and upsetting to me, is running into people like you, who THINK they know what they are talking about, or they find a PHD or a link, or an article FOR their cause, and don't pay any attention to the millions of others that say the opposite. I was there, it happened to me and I speak from experience, you speak from a newspaper article, or just post "YOUR OPINION"
I post the truth.
With your demented way of thinking, you are someone who one day we will read about in the paper, as someone who shot up an office, or was part of group like the Branch Davidians, or Warren Jeffs. Hopefully you'll be put behind bars for the rest of your life.
Lee knows very well I'm referring to Hitler's core beliefs that formed the ominous nazi party. If he/she admitted it, then the creature would also have to face the fact his/her similar beliefs with pedophiles are questionable.
Lee

Valencia, CA

#667 Apr 5, 2013
2kingsdaughter wrote:
I believe she's over it. Your words.are.a.slap in the face. Especially, Lee, if you cannot relate or have not experienced the same abuse. So shut it.
What words are a slap in the face?
Lee

Valencia, CA

#668 Apr 5, 2013
Len is Disgusted wrote:
<quoted text>
Lee knows very well I'm referring to Hitler's core beliefs that formed the ominous nazi party. If he/she admitted it, then the creature would also have to face the fact his/her similar beliefs with pedophiles are questionable.
No, you said a person could not agree with ANYTHING a pedophile or Hitler said.

Nothing is necessarily wrong just because a pedophile says it, or just because Hitler said it, or anyone.

"Not every child will be traumatized" may or may not be a "core belief" of a pedophile, but either way, just the fact that a pedophile believes it does not make it wrong.
Lee

Valencia, CA

#669 Apr 5, 2013
Michigan wrote:
<quoted text>
Out of context? Is that the excuse you want to use now? So I was taught to read left to right, hmm...am I somehow reading what you post the wrong way? Idiot. We all know how to read here Lee, and we FULLY understand your point of view.
Here we go again with the Dr. Clancy link, Oh, Dr. Clancy, Oh! Dr. Clancy, did you see the link I posted? Did you see the link I posted? Did you read the 5 people that agreed with me out of 97 Million? Dr. Clancy wrote about it, so it must be true!
I'm done here, and I wish you all the worst.
It is not 5 out of 97 million. It is the 5 or six on the comment line out of the few people who read the article on the internet. That percentage is a LOT higher.
Lee

Valencia, CA

#670 Apr 5, 2013
Michigan wrote:
<quoted text>
Yes, the "not every child is traumatized" was just the tip of the iceberg, just look at all the other statements she has posted since then. All along with the "I'm entitled to my opinion" after each one, so she can be exempt from any negative reply.
Like if you're black, and I call you the "N" word, it's ok, cause that's "My Opinion"
No, namecalling is not considered an idea. We are free to speak any IDEA. Namecalling is not an idea.

Since: Mar 13

Location hidden

#671 Apr 5, 2013
Compassionless...it doesn't matter how many times we tell her, she cannot, will not understand. Lee, I don't want to change your mind, just your heart. If you have one.
Lee

Valencia, CA

#673 Apr 5, 2013
2kingsdaughter wrote:
Compassionless...it doesn't matter how many times we tell her, she cannot, will not understand. Lee, I don't want to change your mind, just your heart. If you have one.
Whom am I NOT showing compassion to???? Children who were NOT traumatized??? How do you do that???

"Oh, they deserve compassion because they say they were NOT traumatized"??

Since: Mar 13

Location hidden

#674 Apr 5, 2013
Lee wrote:
<quoted text>Whom am I NOT showing compassion to???? Children who were NOT traumatized??? How do you do that???
"Oh, they deserve compassion because they say they were NOT traumatized"??
No, to anyone who was traumatized. You can do this by ending this discussion. But you won't. You were either a victim yourself, or you victimized others and this is why you must PROVE it's not a "big deal".
Lee

Valencia, CA

#675 Apr 5, 2013
2kingsdaughter wrote:
<quoted text>No, to anyone who was traumatized. You can do this by ending this discussion. But you won't. You were either a victim yourself, or you victimized others and this is why you must PROVE it's not a "big deal".
I did not say it was not a big deal!!You are always trying to put words in my mouth!!

I think it is a VERY big deal. It is wrong and it should be against the law.

But that does NOT mean that every child it happens to will be traumatized!!!!!!!

Your side could just as easily end the conversation. But you insist, instead, on insisting that you are psychic and that you know that when someone says it did not traumatize them, YOU know better than they what they effect was on them, and YOU know better than they how they really feel.

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