Ewf Ralph johnson vs Fred White Sonny Emory Vs John Paris
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#1 Sep 6, 2007
I always wanted to know who was the best on
drums and guitars since so many has come and gone
My Favorite between Ralph and Fred I would Say
Ralph of course, Between Sonny and John I go with
Sonny of course. On guitars my Favorite was always Al Mckay he is a more of a accomplish
guitarist than Johnnie Graham was. Roland
was Great to But overlooked. Please Respond
#2 Sep 6, 2007
I Also would like to Know who Played drums for each song, we know that maurice did most of the
stoudio work and I know some cuts that Ralph and fred Was on But Im Not sure. The best drumming song for me was the world is a masqurade in 1973
head to the Sky album and Got to get you into
my life in 1977, Ralph Played drums on both of those song. Listen to the drumming on alive in 75
Ralph does a excellent job. on live in rio
Fred was tight but the solo was very ameture to safe.
#3 Oct 5, 2007
It's funny. I thought I was the only who thought about the drummers. Fred was definitely nice, and I wouldn't call his playing ametuer at all. Listen to his precision and dynamics. Playing precise (hardly or no fluctuation) is an art in itself. You ever try dancing and someone messed with the record or changed the beat on you?! Fred keeps you groovin'.Plus most of his technique is single strokes, which many drummers are lazy on. Don't get me wrong, though. Ralph is my favorite drummer of any genre.Not just 'cause he's cool, but I've heard him play other styles. Fred is like Johnny...you never really heard him play outside of the EWF groove, so how well do you really know them?
*Johnny Graham did the theme to Ren and Stimpy!
Ask me how I know
#4 Oct 22, 2007
Ro-Ro that was very well put and i couldn't put
it no better. that was great info on johnny graham
to.If you listen to all the ewf records listen to
the drumming chang ups it went from Raw to disco.
Ralph was more of a diverse drummer than fred.
fred was good but never plays outside of the
groove like you said. Ralph is my teacher on drums
and i was expose to him after hearin the drums on
gratitude. Listen to the drum break on devotion and the drums on sun goddess, Ralph drumming is
locked in with verdine Bassline. I miss Mr slick
(Ralph)because he was a excellent and colorful
drummer. Check Ralph drum solo on Ewf/Chicago
dvd you know he can kill some drums.
#5 Oct 22, 2007
I would like to see footage of Ralph drumset gyrating from the Gratitude tour. I am Ralph's
biggest drum fan. Sonny emory and maurice also.
John paris is nice to. Fred had a nice feel to
his playing but he was not as diverse like Ralph
or sonny. Ro-Ro if your reading this let's spark
up a conversation about the drummers of EWF.
#6 Nov 11, 2007
Listen to Donny Hathaway Live. Fred was the drummer. He can play. Maybe with E,W & F he played the role he was supposed to play.
#7 Nov 23, 2007
Is this the real fred white or not. I have donny
hathaway live album and fred works well. I'm not
saying that fred wasn't good he was the most in the pocket drummer out there. Fred just played in
the pocket to much for me but he made a great fill
for his grooves. it's good to play with a drummer
like that, I like it when both drummers played with ewf, Fred laid in the pocket and Ralph did the colorful stuff. listen to Gratitude on the
song yearnin learnin.
#8 Nov 23, 2007
Is this really fred white because if it is Im so
glad you join the topic. I do have donny hathaway
album and fred always works well.fred always had
a good pocket nothing fancy like sonny emory or
versitile or slick like Ralph(Slick) but fred
brought something to the table to ewf that i admire. I always wonder why fred left in 1983
being the brother to the founder of ewf maurice and Co-founder and bassist verdine. Why did he
#9 Nov 23, 2007
I would love to talk to the great Ralph Johnson
He is my favorite drummer for the fire. Ralph if you are Reading please Respond.
P.s. Fred White What songs Were you on for the
studio stuff, and live in rio was nice.
#10 Jan 4, 2008
I am a Fire fan from the Warner Bros. days. I have also played drums for over 40 years. The discussion is great. Ralph is better on flair. When I play I would rather play in his style. Fred is better in Production. As a producer I am more concerned with the pocket and the timing during the complex changes. Both drummers helped EWF keep that tight sound in the studio and LIVE. Sonny is a great drummer also. Very good chops and fun to watch Live.
#11 Feb 17, 2008
Sorry I'm back so late. I didn't think anyone responded after mine, so I left it alone. Yeah, we can talk all day on this! Hit me back.
#12 Feb 17, 2008
You're located in Easton, too? I went to school there.
#13 Feb 20, 2008
THAT'S GOOD THAT YOU ANSER BACK
CAN YOU TELL ME THE DIFFERENTS BETWEEN THE SYTLES
BETWEEN RALPH AND FRED
AND WHO PLAYED ON WHAT SONGS
#14 Feb 22, 2008
Ralph seemed more fluid (water sign/Cancer)
Fred seemed more precise/pocketed (earth sign, Capricorn).
Not that Ralph isn't precise, he can be what you want behind the drums!
Ralph: Clover, World's A Masquerade, I'd Rather Have You, Burnin' Bush, Gotta Get You Into My Life, I'll Write A Song For You, Star and anything LIVE from Gratitude (Check your left speaker)
Fred: Africano, Magic Mind, Let your Feelings Show, Rock That!, Pride, Straight From The Heart, Free (Deniece Williams) and the live (some studio) stuff from Gratitude (check your right speaker).
Are ya'll up on AUDIO CAVIAR yet? That's Ralph Johnson at his best so far!
#15 Feb 25, 2008
YES I AM THANKS FOR THE INFO IT'S NICE TO TALK TO
A FELLOW FIRE HEAD THAT KNOWS HIS STUFF. CAN YOU
TELL ME WHO IS THAT ON THE GRATITUDE ALBUM SPININ
ON THE DRUMSET! I THINK ITS RALPH. IT'S GOOD NEWS
THAT YOU WENT TO SCHOOL OUT IN EASTON TOO.HOLLA
#16 Feb 25, 2008
Yeah, it was Ralph. Catch me on myspace.com/roninali .
#17 Feb 26, 2008
CAN YOU TELL ME THE TYPE OF DRUMSET RALPH AND FRED USE IN THE 70'S.I KNOW RALPH PLAYS THE SAME
TYPE OF DRUMS I PLAY YAMAHA. WERE CAN I FIND A
DRUM SOLO BY RALPH & FRED AND WHAT'S THE DIFFERENTS BETWEEN THE DRUMS ON ALIVE IN 75 AND
THE LIVE IN RIO CONCERT.ALSO ON GRATITUDE RALPH
IS IN THE RIGHT SPEAKER DOING ALL THE FLAIR AND
FRED IS IN THE LEFT DOING THE POCKET! HOLLA
#18 Feb 26, 2008
IS IT TRUE THAT RALPH PLAYED DRUMS ON
THAT'S THE WAY AND OPEN OUR EYES
FRED ON SEPTEMBER AND BIYO
MAURICE ON SING A SONG AND LET'S GROOVE
RO-RO HOLLA BACK
#19 Feb 29, 2008
I think that the drummer of the EW & F new generation, John was closer to the sound and spirit of EW & F, Sonny is an extraordinary drummer,
But he do not like me to the EW & F sound.
Ralph, Fred and John. Of course Maurice "maestro"
Sorry my English
#20 Mar 3, 2008
I DO UNDER STAND WHAT YOU ARE SAYING BUT SONNY
HAS HIS OWN STYLE AND THE MOST TECHNIGAL OUT OF ALL THE DRUMMERS.MAURICE PLAYED ALL THE HITS
AND SHOULD GET ALL THE CREDIT BUT FOR ME I HAVE TO
GO WITH RALPH BECASE I PLAY DRUMS AND PERCUSSION
LIKE RALPH AND I STUDIED HIM.
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