Music History: The Reinvention of Pop

Music History: The Reinvention of Pop

There are 9 comments on the OhNoTheyDidnt story from Jan 22, 2012, titled Music History: The Reinvention of Pop. In it, OhNoTheyDidnt reports that:

As the traditional narrative has it, Michael Jackson's Dangerous album represented the end of an era: the death of pop and the rise, in its wake, of grunge, alt-rock, and hip-hop. Most critics point to the moment Nirvana's Nevermind knocked Dangerous out of the #1 spot on the Billboard Charts as the symbolic turning point.

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prashanthMJ

Chennai, India

#1 Jan 24, 2012
dangerous is still a better album than nevermind..all it misses is a milestone recording like "smells like teen spirit".it knocked dangerous which still has outsold nevermind as of this day,only because of the fresh craze..the rest of nevermind is not worth it.stop overrating..all those with ears and a discreet mind coupled with a good taste in music will agree with to a certain extent

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#2 Jan 24, 2012
But if pop was dead, its “King” had successfully created alternatives.

How very true! I just love these three great videos.

Since: Mar 12

U.K

#3 Mar 11, 2012
i disagree that nevermind is a lesser album than dangerous - it has more on it than smells like teen spirit! do agree tho that it was the timing that caused it to knock dangerous off the top and not its merits. it was a significant point in time and it did set everyone off on a grunge trip. it epitiomises 90s music. although to big up one of these albums to the detriement of the other is silly as they are two very different music styles.
hater

Ennis, TX

#4 Mar 12, 2012
Dangerous represented the end of bubblegum pop.Thank God

“Nirvana”

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#5 Mar 16, 2012
michael jackson was brilliant and is the king of pop.
nevermind knocked dangerous off the top of the charts with good reason; it's a classic album whereas dangerous is just another good album.

“Waiting for f'loons to wake up”

Since: Dec 06

Goofybaboon's Not Listening

#6 Mar 29, 2012
Big difference:

Nirvana worked their own music while M.J. took credit from those who actually worked on his.

Furthermore, comparing pop-music to grunge-rock is akin to comparing bubble-gum corporate sponsored schmuck to truly-talented, home-grown, indie-label artists just getting into a major recording label contract.

One is firmly established as a kash-kow tripe recipe, while the other is uncompromising to the "music" biz.

Wanna guess which is more profound? I thought so too. Johnathan Davis' group proved just as unique as the influence of Black France's Pixies was to Kurt Cobain.

As far as MJ... The kid was nothing more than a showman who used his physical talent to make dance moves. A man who tried to lie his way from "only nine years old" to a solo-artist making his own music, is simply him as a minor part of a project of people who helped produce entire albums, aimed at the tastes of people who expected nothing less than "airplay" and "dancefloor" stuff.

Now... lets look at who had *real* impact on Music?
Seriously. There's no comparison.

As One set of musicians matured, new ones came on scene to create the most eclectic tastes yet:
Massive Attack and in some re-inventive ways, even Sonic Youth tried new directions.

Meanwhile MJ ran away from his productions, claiming, or rather, blaming his problems on others (as usual). RE=re-re-re-releases and re-hashes were coming out in record waves and the wackoganda cranked out factoids to Guinness book of world records. Yep, we knew who was putting their efforts into entertainment business. Even the Rolling Stones were still making hundreds of millions of dollars on revenues in 2006, or thereabouts.

If anybody was reinventing pop- it certainly was not that "formerly known as a 9-year-old-liar". He was too busy dodging lawsuits from shieks, Pharmacies, and a few other attorneys, for not making good on his smart bidnezz decisions. Also something to do with creating media campaigns by manipulating media outlets. Had to keep media busy by diverting attention from paying old boy debts. Who knew those were soo time consuming?

Oh, and one more difference: Nirvana never had the stigma of "spending nights sleeping with boys".

“Ars longa, vita brevis”

Since: Dec 11

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#7 Mar 29, 2012

“Ars longa, vita brevis”

Since: Dec 11

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#8 Mar 29, 2012
Reality_Awaits wrote:
Big difference:
Nirvana worked their own music while M.J. took credit from those who actually worked on his.
Furthermore, comparing pop-music to grunge-rock is akin to comparing bubble-gum corporate sponsored schmuck to truly-talented, home-grown, indie-label artists just getting into a major recording label contract.
One is firmly established as a kash-kow tripe recipe, while the other is uncompromising to the "music" biz.
Wanna guess which is more profound? I thought so too. Johnathan Davis' group proved just as unique as the influence of Black France's Pixies was to Kurt Cobain.
As far as MJ... The kid was nothing more than a showman who used his physical talent to make dance moves. A man who tried to lie his way from "only nine years old" to a solo-artist making his own music, is simply him as a minor part of a project of people who helped produce entire albums, aimed at the tastes of people who expected nothing less than "airplay" and "dancefloor" stuff.
Now... lets look at who had *real* impact on Music?
Seriously. There's no comparison.
As One set of musicians matured, new ones came on scene to create the most eclectic tastes yet:
Massive Attack and in some re-inventive ways, even Sonic Youth tried new directions.
Meanwhile MJ ran away from his productions, claiming, or rather, blaming his problems on others (as usual). RE=re-re-re-releases and re-hashes were coming out in record waves and the wackoganda cranked out factoids to Guinness book of world records. Yep, we knew who was putting their efforts into entertainment business. Even the Rolling Stones were still making hundreds of millions of dollars on revenues in 2006, or thereabouts.
If anybody was reinventing pop- it certainly was not that "formerly known as a 9-year-old-liar". He was too busy dodging lawsuits from shieks, Pharmacies, and a few other attorneys, for not making good on his smart bidnezz decisions. Also something to do with creating media campaigns by manipulating media outlets. Had to keep media busy by diverting attention from paying old boy debts. Who knew those were soo time consuming?
Oh, and one more difference: Nirvana never had the stigma of "spending nights sleeping with boys".
yes, big difference

MJ IS THE KING

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Jackson_...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bad_ (album)#Composition

Track listing

All songs written by Michael Jackson except where noted.

Side one
No. Title Writer(s) Length
1. "Bad" 4:07
2. "The Way You Make Me Feel" 4:57
3. "Speed Demon" 4:01
4. "Liberian Girl" 3:53
5. "Just Good Friends" (featuring Stevie Wonder) Terry Britten, Graham Lyle 4:06
Side two
No. Title Writer(s) Length
6. "Another Part of Me" 3:54
7. "Man in the Mirror" Siedah Garrett, Glen Ballard 5:20
8. "I Just Can't Stop Loving You" (featuring Siedah Garrett) 4:11
9. "Dirty Diana" 4:41
10. "Smooth Criminal"

you can search on all albums

“Ars longa, vita brevis”

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#9 Mar 29, 2012
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bad_ (album)#Composition

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