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YouCantReallySee Me

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#1 Dec 3, 2008
Okay, NorCal - wrong dialect, wrong tense, wrong something *L*

Unalii!!!!(Friend!!!)

o-s-da tsi-na-tla-no-hv-li
phonetic: ewsda gee nah klah no hunh lee
("it was good talking with you")

do-na-da-go-hv-i
phoenetic: doh nah dah go hunh ee
("until we meet again")- There is no concept of 'goodbye' in most Native languges

If any of ya'll want to have this spot as a place to meet, to have some actual discussions, to do a little study or Q&A thing or whatever, that's cool with me.

Believe me, i realize that in the grand scheme of things that i am **no one.** That said, should anyone provide this link to any who would come to malign, destroy, ridicule, troll, share this link with people who would be unwanted here, etc., i will leave and that will be that.

If you want me to provide a list of who i do not want to see here, i will be MORE than glad to do so.

If any of you want to provide a list of who YOU do not want to see here, i am more than willing to read it and, in all likelihood, agree.

NorCal? This one's for you. You asked me not to leave Topix - i honestly have no idea why, but mine is not to know.

“Meow”

Since: May 07

Yacking up a topix hairball

#2 Dec 3, 2008
Duh!! Why do you think someone would ask you to stay on topix, girlie....Maybe you're likable! Ever think that might be a possiblilty?

I'd like to nominate for the list, Curtis Lowe, Voyeur, Observandum, and Cookie Monster(if he's still around)....but these guys are probably a given.

YouCantReallySee Me

United States

#3 Dec 4, 2008
Little Cat wrote:
Duh!! Why do you think someone would ask you to stay on topix, girlie....Maybe you're likable! Ever think that might be a possiblilty?
I'd like to nominate for the list, Curtis Lowe, Voyeur, Observandum, and Cookie Monster(if he's still around)....but these guys are probably a given.
Geez, i'm hopin' those are you "don't want 'em here" list.

I do not want to see anyone who ever had anything to do with and of the ASR threads ('cept you and NorCal and GW). None of those who must "a'bashing go" on any of the Christian/atheist threads.

I'll tell ya, if it isn't someone who isn't interested in discussing matters NA or at least MODERATELY relevant thereto, i don't wanna see 'em.

I think that DennyB might be alright ... don't now how to get word to him, though, without posting my public email and CP and his public drip catchers are too closely in attendance there for me to do that.

WaterNymph has always been a very kind person (imho) and seems genuinely interested in NA matters, so i'm curious if anyone has a way to invite her while also making sure she doesn't invite anyone else or tip where we are.

“Over The Mountains of the moon”

Since: Apr 08

Down the vally of the Shadow

#4 Dec 4, 2008
YouCantReallySeeMe wrote:
Okay, NorCal - wrong dialect, wrong tense, wrong something *L*
Unalii!!!!(Friend!!!)
o-s-da tsi-na-tla-no-hv-li
phonetic: ewsda gee nah klah no hunh lee
("it was good talking with you")
do-na-da-go-hv-i
phoenetic: doh nah dah go hunh ee
("until we meet again")- There is no concept of 'goodbye' in most Native languges
If any of ya'll want to have this spot as a place to meet, to have some actual discussions, to do a little study or Q&A thing or whatever, that's cool with me.
Believe me, i realize that in the grand scheme of things that i am **no one.** That said, should anyone provide this link to any who would come to malign, destroy, ridicule, troll, share this link with people who would be unwanted here, etc., i will leave and that will be that.
If you want me to provide a list of who i do not want to see here, i will be MORE than glad to do so.
If any of you want to provide a list of who YOU do not want to see here, i am more than willing to read it and, in all likelihood, agree.
NorCal? This one's for you. You asked me not to leave Topix - i honestly have no idea why, but mine is not to know.
I'm a little late getting hear but hey i found it. I had to look the hard way to get hear because the link LC sent workes but i can't post when i go in that way. i back door topix through my home town paper because these comps don't like forums if you understand what i mean

“Over The Mountains of the moon”

Since: Apr 08

Down the vally of the Shadow

#5 Dec 4, 2008
YouCantReallySeeMe wrote:
<quoted text>
Geez, i'm hopin' those are you "don't want 'em here" list.
I do not want to see anyone who ever had anything to do with and of the ASR threads ('cept you and NorCal and GW). None of those who must "a'bashing go" on any of the Christian/atheist threads.
I'll tell ya, if it isn't someone who isn't interested in discussing matters NA or at least MODERATELY relevant thereto, i don't wanna see 'em.
I think that DennyB might be alright ... don't now how to get word to him, though, without posting my public email and CP and his public drip catchers are too closely in attendance there for me to do that.
WaterNymph has always been a very kind person (imho) and seems genuinely interested in NA matters, so i'm curious if anyone has a way to invite her while also making sure she doesn't invite anyone else or tip where we are.
If you want WN i can send her the link by email since we are in contact but you need to be very specific in what you want me to tell her. I know you have issues with many on the ASR thread and LC and i are the only 2 you trust from there so i will keep it like that. No trolls so LC has started a good list. I will send LC a mesage to pass to you in a little while. work is calling me right now and i will see you again soon.

“Meow”

Since: May 07

Yacking up a topix hairball

#6 Dec 4, 2008
NorCal88 wrote:
<quoted text>If you want WN i can send her the link by email since we are in contact but you need to be very specific in what you want me to tell her. I know you have issues with many on the ASR thread and LC and i are the only 2 you trust from there so i will keep it like that. No trolls so LC has started a good list. I will send LC a mesage to pass to you in a little while. work is calling me right now and i will see you again soon.
I'll keep an eye out for that email.

That list would be good. Although, I do think there are some on the ASR threads that are genuinely nice, kind and peaceful, and I wouldn't mind some of them here. But....who knows if they will inadvertently link this to a troll or not, not to mention they may or may not have any interest what so ever in what this thread is about anyway. So that's fine.

AND DUH!!!!!! of course, CR, its the "do not want" ..you're so silly. ;-)

“Over The Mountains of the moon”

Since: Apr 08

Down the vally of the Shadow

#7 Dec 4, 2008
Little Cat wrote:
<quoted text>
I'll keep an eye out for that email.
That list would be good. Although, I do think there are some on the ASR threads that are genuinely nice, kind and peaceful, and I wouldn't mind some of them here. But....who knows if they will inadvertently link this to a troll or not, not to mention they may or may not have any interest what so ever in what this thread is about anyway. So that's fine.
AND DUH!!!!!! of course, CR, its the "do not want" ..you're so silly. ;-)
You have mail

“Over The Mountains of the moon”

Since: Apr 08

Down the vally of the Shadow

#8 Dec 4, 2008
YouCantReallySeeMe wrote:
Okay, NorCal - wrong dialect, wrong tense, wrong something *L*
Unalii!!!!(Friend!!!)
o-s-da tsi-na-tla-no-hv-li
phonetic: ewsda gee nah klah no hunh lee
("it was good talking with you")
do-na-da-go-hv-i
phoenetic: doh nah dah go hunh ee
("until we meet again")- There is no concept of 'goodbye' in most Native languges
If any of ya'll want to have this spot as a place to meet, to have some actual discussions, to do a little study or Q&A thing or whatever, that's cool with me.
Believe me, i realize that in the grand scheme of things that i am **no one.** That said, should anyone provide this link to any who would come to malign, destroy, ridicule, troll, share this link with people who would be unwanted here, etc., i will leave and that will be that.
If you want me to provide a list of who i do not want to see here, i will be MORE than glad to do so.
If any of you want to provide a list of who YOU do not want to see here, i am more than willing to read it and, in all likelihood, agree.
NorCal? This one's for you. You asked me not to leave Topix - i honestly have no idea why, but mine is not to know.
this was my answer to what you said on the other forum. I got the first part right but not the second. it was a bit off but close.

It was good talking with you as well and i will see you next week.

I had to google that to find what you said

“Over The Mountains of the moon”

Since: Apr 08

Down the vally of the Shadow

#9 Dec 4, 2008
YouCantReallySeeMe wrote:
Okay, NorCal - wrong dialect, wrong tense, wrong something *L*
Unalii!!!!(Friend!!!)
o-s-da tsi-na-tla-no-hv-li
phonetic: ewsda gee nah klah no hunh lee
("it was good talking with you")
do-na-da-go-hv-i
phoenetic: doh nah dah go hunh ee
("until we meet again")- There is no concept of 'goodbye' in most Native languges
If any of ya'll want to have this spot as a place to meet, to have some actual discussions, to do a little study or Q&A thing or whatever, that's cool with me.
Believe me, i realize that in the grand scheme of things that i am **no one.** That said, should anyone provide this link to any who would come to malign, destroy, ridicule, troll, share this link with people who would be unwanted here, etc., i will leave and that will be that.
If you want me to provide a list of who i do not want to see here, i will be MORE than glad to do so.
If any of you want to provide a list of who YOU do not want to see here, i am more than willing to read it and, in all likelihood, agree.
NorCal? This one's for you. You asked me not to leave Topix - i honestly have no idea why, but mine is not to know.
Why i asked you not to leave...
Though we differ in our beliefe system and those who we consider friends on topix i have no strict allegence to any group. i have always been and will always be my own person and be friends with whomever i want regardless of what others may think. i figure if someone doesn't like me because i like so and so then that is that persons loss and the only one getting hurt is that person. I was raised to not put to much stalk in others opinions about me but to just be me and true to me. So i figure i have much to learne about NA traditions and beliefes and you and i are friends in my eyes so why not learn what i can from you and whoever else i can on a friendly basis without all the arguments. As you know i am in email contact with LC and i consider her a friend and we have a bit in common so i figure i'm in good company.

we can leave all the bickering to the other threads and i for one will not get involved, although i would like to know what happened i will not pry, because it is none of my buisness. So lets have fun learning.

Have either of you ever seen the movie ThunderHeart?

“Meow”

Since: May 07

Yacking up a topix hairball

#10 Dec 4, 2008
Great information NC. Words to live by when on Topix!!

Thought that I was doing that myself, until.... Wow, I let myself into that, but I'm never lost any sleep over that. Just got a little tooooo hacked off than I should about all the squabbles.

But it would be nice to post and not get followed nor pestered nor harassed by someone simply because they disagreed. Oh well, water under the bridge now and no more than that.

ThunderHeart? A long time ago when it first came out. I think it had Val Kilmer in it. Wow, I had forgotten about that one. He had some issues with those on the rez and visa versa. Many good actors in that. Now I gotta go see that one again.

“Over The Mountains of the moon”

Since: Apr 08

Down the vally of the Shadow

#11 Dec 4, 2008
Little Cat wrote:
Great information NC. Words to live by when on Topix!!
Thought that I was doing that myself, until.... Wow, I let myself into that, but I'm never lost any sleep over that. Just got a little tooooo hacked off than I should about all the squabbles.
But it would be nice to post and not get followed nor pestered nor harassed by someone simply because they disagreed. Oh well, water under the bridge now and no more than that.
ThunderHeart? A long time ago when it first came out. I think it had Val Kilmer in it. Wow, I had forgotten about that one. He had some issues with those on the rez and visa versa. Many good actors in that. Now I gotta go see that one again.
It also stared Sam Shepard. It is supposedly based on true events i believe taken from the Book "In The Spirit Of Crazy Horse". I have yet to read the book but the movie was on AMC yesterday. I have been a big fan of that movie for years and need to find it on DVD.

“Meow”

Since: May 07

Yacking up a topix hairball

#12 Dec 4, 2008
The strange part in all of that is the cultural diversity. I said this a long time ago that the concept of Native American vs everyone else was an idea formed by the invading forces upon this continent. The term "Native American" clumps so many ethnic groups together as one. Then there's Hollywood deciding what the looks will be for that one huge group. I just find it very strange.

Dakota, Souix, Seminole, Zuni, Tlingit, Aztec, and etc. are as alien to my corner of my Native American world as would be someone from Borneo. I'm a mix of mainly Inuit, Cree and Seneca with much European dna as well. But even if I was a "pureblood" of one of those tribes of my ancestors, I would look nothing like many other Native Americans of the Area that I live in now. They, at least the Inuit, are iridescently white skinned and have a tribal lifestyle of the Lapps in Skandinavia. Far less likely related culturally to groups like the pueblo Indians.

What gripes me the most is that being lumped into one group, if I or others don't look exactly like a media generated stereo types, we get dismissed as not valid as indigenous people.

I just wonder if the identifying groups need new criteria to better define them for anthropological demographics. For example, if clumping a group is a must, then forgo the humongous continental use for divisions and go for climatic instead, like the arctic circle indigenous groups. More of a mouthful than NA, but seems to lessen that pigeon hole idea.

“Meow”

Since: May 07

Yacking up a topix hairball

#13 Dec 4, 2008
I think when I watch those movies like ThunderHeart. Is it that the guy went over and became an employee of the US gov that is the divide? OR Is that he might have been from another tribal descent that those he has to work with.

OR Does the US gov(in that movie anyways) look at one Native American and thinks we are all the same family, religion, culture, so who cares...just send the Indian to deal with the Indian.

The other side of that coin would be for anyone from the Navajo Nation sending someone from Sweden to deal with Albania, because a European is a European. It looses the respect for all those cultures involved.

“Meow”

Since: May 07

Yacking up a topix hairball

#14 Dec 4, 2008
I just find it all a little weird at times.

But it did make for a great movie!

“Over The Mountains of the moon”

Since: Apr 08

Down the vally of the Shadow

#15 Dec 4, 2008
Little Cat wrote:
The strange part in all of that is the cultural diversity. I said this a long time ago that the concept of Native American vs everyone else was an idea formed by the invading forces upon this continent. The term "Native American" clumps so many ethnic groups together as one. Then there's Hollywood deciding what the looks will be for that one huge group. I just find it very strange.
Dakota, Souix, Seminole, Zuni, Tlingit, Aztec, and etc. are as alien to my corner of my Native American world as would be someone from Borneo. I'm a mix of mainly Inuit, Cree and Seneca with much European dna as well. But even if I was a "pureblood" of one of those tribes of my ancestors, I would look nothing like many other Native Americans of the Area that I live in now. They, at least the Inuit, are iridescently white skinned and have a tribal lifestyle of the Lapps in Skandinavia. Far less likely related culturally to groups like the pueblo Indians.
What gripes me the most is that being lumped into one group, if I or others don't look exactly like a media generated stereo types, we get dismissed as not valid as indigenous people.
I just wonder if the identifying groups need new criteria to better define them for anthropological demographics. For example, if clumping a group is a must, then forgo the humongous continental use for divisions and go for climatic instead, like the arctic circle indigenous groups. More of a mouthful than NA, but seems to lessen that pigeon hole idea.
I think the problem is that we classify people into groups. Face it, we are human beings with feelings and needs and skin color or ethnic background truely means nothing. But tradition and culture is something different. those cultures should be embraced by all and respected for it is who we are and if you are mixed then you should be able to learn about all of them and be proud of it. I know i am different than many you meet in day to day life but i love variety and learning. and to classify people to me just seems wrong. Pride in who you are and what you are is great but do not forget that others exist and embrace them for who they are.

“Over The Mountains of the moon”

Since: Apr 08

Down the vally of the Shadow

#16 Dec 4, 2008
Little Cat wrote:
I think when I watch those movies like ThunderHeart. Is it that the guy went over and became an employee of the US gov that is the divide? OR Is that he might have been from another tribal descent that those he has to work with.
OR Does the US gov(in that movie anyways) look at one Native American and thinks we are all the same family, religion, culture, so who cares...just send the Indian to deal with the Indian.
The other side of that coin would be for anyone from the Navajo Nation sending someone from Sweden to deal with Albania, because a European is a European. It looses the respect for all those cultures involved.
But in this it was about a wrong committed and they wanted people to get the message.

It was a tribeca/ Water horse film and i believe Tribeca is owned by or was founded by Robert De Niro. I believe the message was about the wrong doings not to generalize the people or stereo type them in any way.

I am enjoying this conversation LC:)

“Meow”

Since: May 07

Yacking up a topix hairball

#17 Dec 4, 2008
NorCal88 wrote:
<quoted text>But in this it was about a wrong committed and they wanted people to get the message.
It was a tribeca/ Water horse film and i believe Tribeca is owned by or was founded by Robert De Niro. I believe the message was about the wrong doings not to generalize the people or stereo type them in any way.
I am enjoying this conversation LC:)
The message of teh movie was a given. That is for sure. What I am curious about is that eventhough that message was about 17 years ago. It seems like there are pockets of people here and there in the US that are still not getting that message. Is it that so many are still buying into the "ideal look" and it's seeping into groups that never before had that attitude.

I found an interesting youtube video a while ago which I've gotta hunt down and post the link here. Someone was filming some protest..but the point I saw was a woman turning on the group and saying that she only saw "white people" and so she was angry by that and what they did to the indigenous population in North America. She decided that their look wasn't the stereo typical accepted look of a Native American and therefore they must be the oppressor. hmm....

Are things like that expanding the rift that prejudices make and now some NA's are getting that bad attitude against other NA groups?
YouCantReallySee Me

United States

#18 Dec 4, 2008
NorCal88 wrote:
<quoted text>I'm a little late getting hear but hey i found it. I had to look the hard way to get hear because the link LC sent workes but i can't post when i go in that way. i back door topix through my home town paper because these comps don't like forums if you understand what i mean
no, actually, i don't.

but, if you're okay with and if YOU understand it, that's plenty good enough for me.

i'm delicate. we don't want to ask too much of me.
YouCantReallySee Me

United States

#19 Dec 4, 2008
NorCal88 wrote:
<quoted text>If you want WN i can send her the link by email since we are in contact but you need to be very specific in what you want me to tell her. I know you have issues with many on the ASR thread and LC and i are the only 2 you trust from there so i will keep it like that. No trolls so LC has started a good list. I will send LC a mesage to pass to you in a little while. work is calling me right now and i will see you again soon.
LC, BH, you, and a man who posts under the name of DSHiggins are the only people i trust on the entirety of topix.

I like WN; as i said, she's always been nice - however, she and YC seem to be tight and i don't know if it is even possible to invite her but say "whatever you do, don't tell YC!!" Sounds kinda like 7th grade, doesn't it?

On the other hand, the more people who are genuinely interested about NA matters, the better the discussions are.

So, at the end of the day, i don't freakin' know.

:o)

Maybe i really am just too tired for topix or something.

::sighs::
YouCantReallySee Me

United States

#20 Dec 4, 2008
Little Cat wrote:
The strange part in all of that is the cultural diversity. I said this a long time ago that the concept of Native American vs everyone else was an idea formed by the invading forces upon this continent. The term "Native American" clumps so many ethnic groups together as one. Then there's Hollywood deciding what the looks will be for that one huge group. I just find it very strange.
Dakota, Souix, Seminole, Zuni, Tlingit, Aztec, and etc. are as alien to my corner of my Native American world as would be someone from Borneo. I'm a mix of mainly Inuit, Cree and Seneca with much European dna as well. But even if I was a "pureblood" of one of those tribes of my ancestors, I would look nothing like many other Native Americans of the Area that I live in now. They, at least the Inuit, are iridescently white skinned and have a tribal lifestyle of the Lapps in Skandinavia. Far less likely related culturally to groups like the pueblo Indians.
What gripes me the most is that being lumped into one group, if I or others don't look exactly like a media generated stereo types, we get dismissed as not valid as indigenous people.
I just wonder if the identifying groups need new criteria to better define them for anthropological demographics. For example, if clumping a group is a must, then forgo the humongous continental use for divisions and go for climatic instead, like the arctic circle indigenous groups. More of a mouthful than NA, but seems to lessen that pigeon hole idea.
I always kinda had it in my that, in part, the differences you mention are the reasons that we have two terms: Native American and Alaskan Native?

Where did Ah err, Scahlett?

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